PC Buying Guide - July 2011

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Jaskanwar Singh

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Are you sure about that SMPS? I hope it will stand when someone needs to add another couple of HDDs. And regarding NZXT Lexa S, you have to remove the top fan if you go for an aftermarket CPU cooler. Similarly the DVD Writer won't go in the first slot without blocking the 2nd top fan. If anybody can let go the top fans then it is OK.

this rig -
AnandTech - AMD’s Radeon HD 6870 & 6850: Renewing Competition in the Mid-Range Market
and the power consumption -
AnandTech - AMD’s Radeon HD 6870 & 6850: Renewing Competition in the Mid-Range Market

and i am unable to find other good cabbys in 4k range
 

Sarath

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Also one more point i would like to add is the benchmarking results for CF/SLI vs single GPUs maybe be tipped towards multi GPU setup, but does that reflect in real world scenario when playing games.

Simply put how do games perform in such a set up? Are the results in line with the benchmarks?
 
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Jaskanwar Singh

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check this -



Sub 100k (High End Gaming)

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i7 2600k| 16000
Motherboard |ASUS P8Z68 V PRO|13500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM|5400
Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6870 * 2 Crossfire|22400
SSD |Corsair Force 60GB|7200
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair TX750 V2|6300
Case |NZXT Tempest EVO|5500
Monitor |DELL ST2220L|8700
Mouse |CM Spawn (With Free Mouse Pad)|2200
Keyboard |RAzer Arctosa|2000
UPS |APC 1.1KVA|4300
Speakers |Logitech Z-506|5000
| Total |102100

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Also one more point i would like to add is the benchmarking results for CF/SLI vs single GPUs maybe be tipped towards multi GPU setup, but does that reflect in real world scenario when playing games.

Simply put how do games perform in such a set up? Are the results in line with the benchmarks?

ofcourse. they also use games to measure fps.
 

Sarath

iDota
@Jas: I dont think anyone buying a 85k setup would mind spending a little more to get a HF912/TEMPEST EVO @6k or even the NZXT Phantom @8k.
I say this because I just myself got a 85K rig a few weeks back. The only thing that held me back was that I forgot to carry spare cash to go for the phantom.
Arranging for another 2k wont be a problem and maybe you can mention those Cabinets also as options.

I myself went from NZXT Guardian 921RB> CM 430 > Lexa S > CM 690 > Finally decided to opt between NZXT Tempest Evo/ HAF 912 Adv. or the Phantom (in case of a love at first sight kinda situation)

The jump of 2k over my previous choices was justified by the features of my present choice of Case.
 

Skud

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this rig -
AnandTech - AMD’s Radeon HD 6870 & 6850: Renewing Competition in the Mid-Range Market
and the power consumption -
AnandTech - AMD’s Radeon HD 6870 & 6850: Renewing Competition in the Mid-Range Market

and i am unable to find other good cabbys in 4k range


How about Lancool K56W at 3.6k and Lancool K58W at 4.3k?
 

Sarath

iDota
Lancool K58W definitely looks good.
What about the features? If it serves us well then we have a winner. Please check availability.

*www.overclockersonline.net/images/articles/lancool/pck58/large/lc31.jpg

Its listed in shop mania
 
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Jaskanwar Singh

Jaskanwar Singh

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Lian-Li LanCool PC-K58W Computer Case | Review,LanCool PC-K58W,Computer Case,Mid-Tower,Lian-Li LanCool PC-K58W Black Mid-Tower Computer Case Review Enthusiast Gaming Chassis Performance Evaluation
 

Sarath

iDota
Definitely looks better here. Didnt find any mention of the size of gfx that it can support. We need that. But from the looks of it, it seems spacious.
*benchmarkreviews.com/images/reviews/cases/PC-K58W-B/LanCool_K58W_angle.jpg

I know these pics are taking up space. Just to let every one know what we are talking about and save some time.
 

Skud

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OK here you go for graphics card support across the Lancool K56 to K62 range:-

*benchmarkreviews.com/images/reviews/cases/PC-K56W-B/LanCool_PC-K56W-B_Open_Measure.jpg
 

nginx

In the zone
so this ok -

Sub 85k (High end gaming)

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2500k|11000
Motherboard |ASUS P8Z68 V PRO|13500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM|5400
Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6870 * 2 Crossfire|22400
HDD |Seagate 1TB 7200.12|2700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair TX650 V2|5300
Case |NZXT Lexa S|4400
Monitor |DELL ST2220L|8700
Mouse |CM Spawn (With Free Mouse Pad)|2200
Keyboard |RAzer Arctosa|2000
UPS |APC 1.1KVA|4300
Speakers |Altec Lancing VS4621|3200
| Total |86100

Why do you keep pushing for the Dell ST2220L? For 8.2k, the Benq G2222HDL is hands down a superior monitor by far. I have already mentioned it in another thread that I did a side by side comparison of the two monitor at a local shop and the Benq's picture quality and color saturation simply blows away the Dell ST2220L. No comparison at all if you ask me.

Lancool K58W definitely looks good.
What about the features? If it serves us well then we have a winner. Please check availability.

*www.overclockersonline.net/images/articles/lancool/pck58/large/lc31.jpg

Its listed in shop mania

It certainly is spacious. It can support cards upto 290mm in length. That means it won't hold a HD5970.
 

Skud

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Very spacious. Let me tell you one negative point though. The space behind the mobo is not that great, you have to really use some power to close the panel if you route most of the cables behind.
 

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@The guys who are asking me: I am using a 22" monitor 1680x1050. My table is tiny.Getting a new one, but have to first design.

The 30k price tag isnt justified because in USA you can get it for 510$.
But given indian pricing it is justified, as in USA a 570 costs 350$.
A GTX 570 costs 22-24k and not 20k (unless bargain/special offer).Including taxes so dont point me here and there.

The main reason any one would get a 580 over 570 is VRAM requirements.
If you could get a 480 and 570 for same price, and power draw was not a concern you would be better off with a 480 really. not for OCing but for the VRAM.

I got 580 3GB SLI not because I like to burn cash. I was even pondering over 570 3-way but that has poor scaling and 6970 CFX 2-GPUs, but eventually settled for GTX 580 because I like to crank up to extreme settings as high as possible in-game. AA has always been poor scaling in Crysis(+warhead) and you can really notice the performance increase against single GPU with 16xQ CSAA in SLI.I even report 1.6-1.8GB VRAM usage at times!

Even metro 2033 benefits with SLI at 1680x1050 maxed out advanced DOF turned on.

I think once you start playing high quality you really cant go back.

I expect this setup to last 5 years.I know it is overkill atm, but given the sorry state of PC gaming with lots of unoptimized crapsole ports, and more just keep coming, the VRAM will become a factor because more space will be used for average graphics quality in future in many unoptimized ports.

Even Modern Warfare 2, which is very CPU intensive, uses 1100MB of VRAM maxed out in-game (4xMSAA is highest, no CSAA option and 4xMSAA is as good as 16x CSAA non-Q).This is almost 80% memory increase for minor facelift vs MW1 and COD5.
Even Black Ops had performance issues at launch, and that was in GTX 480 3-Way SLI (some guys at nvidia forums uses it, most of the guys who were at SLI Zone forums before the merger with Nzone, making it nvidia forums are full-time enthusiasts, and the community coming from nzone is also full of them).

The Witcher II, is a game that came with a new AA method called ubersampling. I do not know exactly how it is done but it is not a conventional form of AA.The whole frame is rendered at a much higher resolution and then mapped to your resolution, taking a huge hit in performance.SLI definitely helps even at 1050p and 1080/1200p.

If you dont need extreme levels of AA (upto 8x CSAA non-Q) , then get a Lightning GTX 580 and OC to 1Ghz core and be happy at even 1200p.

At 1050/1200p a single GTX 580/6950 CF is a worthwhile expense for a period of three years.More than DX level itself, it is the performance of the card at its respective DX level for the latest games that count with as high detail as you can get it to.

I like my games to run minimum at 45fps, so for me it has been a very satisfatory and justified expenditure.I will play Red Faction Armageddon today and get back to you guys on how it performs in my cards.AFAIK a GTX400 is recommended for the game and 8 series is minimum requirement(dont remember exact).

@Cilus: I read one of your posts that states 6850 CF beats GTX 580.Can you link me to an article proving this? I think it should be 6950 2GB.

@Sarath: lol. Even an EA live tech support guy told me this for a graphics glitch in crysis 2- "It seems you are cross firing your cards in SLI. It is not supported. You can always try running 1 GPU and see if that helps."
Yeah right. Nice try moron (not you but support guy)but SLI/CF Support was added since patch 1.1 and new nvidia/amd drivers.not to mention your total misinformation on CF and SLI.
Fact of the day is that its an unreported bug. Unfortunately that jackass cant send it to Crytek because "he has no communication with them" and sent me to the mycrysis support page where it clearly states that EA is supposed to handle tech support.
As if I was expecting him to have communication. He is supposed to give it to his seniors and eventually to department head who is suposed to get it transferred to crytek :|
Anyhow I already finished the game twice (once on leaked beta and other time my retail copy) so I'm not bothered.

The biggest problem that is actually here is higher cost due to:

1)Poor tax structure
2)Ultra high marked price (i.e. MRP)
3)Customs morons
4)Companies looking for equal or higher profit margin

Otherwise, in their US prices they are totally worth it.

We have lower per capita income than a US citizen.But those companies think we can pay more although we cant.

Only the PC Video Games industry has an advantage here AFAIK. We pay 50% of what they pay due to local manufacture and distribution, but this often results in lesser games available in retail (Activision pulled out with MW2 even because they dont want local manufacture and have become money milking machine-saw their new COD Elite? Let crapsole users have it.).

EDIT:Took me 20 minutes to write this.
 

tkin

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@The guys who are asking me: I am using a 22" monitor 1680x1050. My table is tiny.Getting a new one, but have to first design.

The 30k price tag isnt justified because in USA you can get it for 510$.
But given indian pricing it is justified, as in USA a 570 costs 350$.
A GTX 570 costs 22-24k and not 20k (unless bargain/special offer).Including taxes so dont point me here and there.

The main reason any one would get a 580 over 570 is VRAM requirements.
If you could get a 480 and 570 for same price, and power draw was not a concern you would be better off with a 480 really. not for OCing but for the VRAM.

I got 580 3GB SLI not because I like to burn cash. I was even pondering over 570 3-way but that has poor scaling and 6970 CFX 2-GPUs, but eventually settled for GTX 580 because I like to crank up to extreme settings as high as possible in-game. AA has always been poor scaling in Crysis(+warhead) and you can really notice the performance increase against single GPU with 16xQ CSAA in SLI.I even report 1.6-1.8GB VRAM usage at times!

Even metro 2033 benefits with SLI at 1680x1050 maxed out advanced DOF turned on.

I think once you start playing high quality you really cant go back.

I expect this setup to last 5 years.I know it is overkill atm, but given the sorry state of PC gaming with lots of unoptimized crapsole ports, and more just keep coming, the VRAM will become a factor because more space will be used for average graphics quality in future in many unoptimized ports.

Even Modern Warfare 2, which is very CPU intensive, uses 1100MB of VRAM maxed out in-game (4xMSAA is highest, no CSAA option and 4xMSAA is as good as 16x CSAA non-Q).This is almost 80% memory increase for minor facelift vs MW1 and COD5.
Even Black Ops had performance issues at launch, and that was in GTX 480 3-Way SLI (some guys at nvidia forums uses it, most of the guys who were at SLI Zone forums before the merger with Nzone, making it nvidia forums are full-time enthusiasts, and the community coming from nzone is also full of them).

The Witcher II, is a game that came with a new AA method called ubersampling. I do not know exactly how it is done but it is not a conventional form of AA.The whole frame is rendered at a much higher resolution and then mapped to your resolution, taking a huge hit in performance.SLI definitely helps even at 1050p and 1080/1200p.

If you dont need extreme levels of AA (upto 8x CSAA non-Q) , then get a Lightning GTX 580 and OC to 1Ghz core and be happy at even 1200p.

At 1050/1200p a single GTX 580/6950 CF is a worthwhile expense for a period of three years.More than DX level itself, it is the performance of the card at its respective DX level for the latest games that count with as high detail as you can get it to.

I like my games to run minimum at 45fps, so for me it has been a very satisfatory and justified expenditure.I will play Red Faction Armageddon today and get back to you guys on how it performs in my cards.AFAIK a GTX400 is recommended for the game and 8 series is minimum requirement(dont remember exact).

@Cilus: I read one of your posts that states 6850 CF beats GTX 580.Can you link me to an article proving this? I think it should be 6950 2GB.

@Sarath: lol. Even an EA live tech support guy told me this for a graphics glitch in crysis 2- "It seems you are cross firing your cards in SLI. It is not supported. You can always try running 1 GPU and see if that helps."
Yeah right. Nice try moron (not you but support guy)but SLI/CF Support was added since patch 1.1 and new nvidia/amd drivers.not to mention your total misinformation on CF and SLI.
Fact of the day is that its an unreported bug. Unfortunately that jackass cant send it to Crytek because "he has no communication with them" and sent me to the mycrysis support page where it clearly states that EA is supposed to handle tech support.
As if I was expecting him to have communication. He is supposed to give it to his seniors and eventually to department head who is suposed to get it transferred to crytek :|
Anyhow I already finished the game twice (once on leaked beta and other time my retail copy) so I'm not bothered.

The biggest problem that is actually here is higher cost due to:

1)Poor tax structure
2)Ultra high marked price (i.e. MRP)
3)Customs morons
4)Companies looking for equal or higher profit margin

Otherwise, in their US prices they are totally worth it.

We have lower per capita income than a US citizen.But those companies think we can pay more although we cant.

Only the PC Video Games industry has an advantage here AFAIK. We pay 50% of what they pay due to local manufacture and distribution, but this often results in lesser games available in retail (Activision pulled out with MW2 even because they dont want local manufacture and have become money milking machine-saw their new COD Elite? Let crapsole users have it.).

EDIT:Took me 20 minutes to write this.
AnandTech - Bench - GPU11
 

Skud

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Its 7-5 in favour of CF setup but out of these in 6 cases the difference is less than 5% and if we just left them out, its 5-1 in favour of CF setup. That one for 580 is the BFBC 2 waterfall bench whereas 6850 CF has won in the chase bench of the same game. Go figure.
 

Extreme Gamer

僕はガンダム!
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yes.

i5 2400 is much better than athlon II X4 635.totally worth it.you can even get i5 2500k which is much better.

the athlon barely defeats clarkdale i3s (only 10-15% at most).
 

nilgtx260

Maximum Craze
i5 is really fast in daily to daily task, unbeatable performance

BTW which PSU will be more suitable for HD 6950 CF ? Corsair TX 850v2? My friend is gonna buy another HD 6950, but the prob is that he has HX 650. So, can it handle HD 6950 CF or should he change the PSU & get a new one ?
 
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