one license, DRM scheme to rule them all

[iMav]

what is ur freedom ... does ur freedom mean that the people who tirelessly work to make a movie look as it does or the people who tirelessly work to make a record sound like it does .... they should have their work ripped and distributed around the net for free when u buy a record the money goes to the recording label who pays their staff the same people who work behind the scenes to make the product look and sound the way it does

ur freedom and the hard work of some 1 and his families' livelihood - i choose the latter ....

 

[axxo]

what is ur freedom ... does ur freedom mean that the people who tirelessly work to make a movie look as it does or the people who tirelessly work to make a record sound like it does .... they should have their work ripped and distributed around the net for free when u buy a record the money goes to the recording label who pays their staff the same people who work behind the scenes to make the product look and sound the way it does

ur freedom and the hard work of some 1 and his families' livelihood - i choose the latter ....

MS is poor....let them live

 

[RCuber]

I support pirates rather than DRMing whole software and hardware!

What ever little respect you had from me is gone now. *gigasmilies.googlepages.com/19a.gif

You say that the artist who create music and movies from hardwork should not get their pay?

If you unconfortable with DRM Music/Movies which are bought online or if your OS is incapable of playing DRM Music, then just go and buy the Audio CD or DVD. Then you can rip it and play where ever you want. be it you MP3 Player of any other PMP.

I would rather go and pay for a CD/DVD rather than buying DRM Music or getting a pirated copy .

 

[iMav]

ms is not the only corp that is endorsing drm, get ur facts right then come to talk ... drm is endorsed by almost every major tech/media company and .....

drm was started more than 10 years ago by sony corp. and not MS

 

[Faun]

stopping and avoiding are 2 different things ...not being able to stop terrorism doesnt mean u stop probing it or stop funding anti-terrorism mechanism .... drm is an attempt at reducing piracy bringing all media and tech companies together to wrok and help each other making things work better for the consumer

and that means u can be shoot at sight, curfews at will, jail without any reason, and total monopoly of government.
Try to gather how many innocent people suffered while avoiding this sos called terrorism undercover operations.

What Starforce bring was the hardware failure, user inconvenience and hidden driver installations.

Provide funding for WHO and UNESCO its much better to nurture life than shitty plans of curbing terror.

 

[axxo]

ms is not the only corp that is endorsing drm, get ur facts right then come to talk ... drm is endorsed by almost every major tech/media company and .....

drm was started more than 10 years ago by sony corp. and not MS

I know dude...the companies using as of now aren't under $...

 

[Faun]

ms is not the only corp that is endorsing drm, get ur facts right then come to talk ... drm is endorsed by almost every major tech/media company and .....

drm was started more than 10 years ago by sony corp. and not MS

and it do backed of for a while.
MS resurrected it again

 

[The_Devil_Himself]

DRM sucks.And whoever thinks it actually helps stopping piracy is a big-big fool.There are thousands of ways of getting rid of DRM protections off media.And believe there will always be ways of doing it,no matter how advanced DRM becomes.


I agree with gx and imav that drm can be used to prevent piracy and ,according to charan, help put money in the pocket of artists(or recording companies should I say,artists hate drm as much as we do) but first perfect this and then implement it,we don't want half-baked sh!t.drm,as of now is outright stupid as clear from:

Some facts:
1.Songs bought from apple stores can be transferred to as many pods as you like and listened but can't be used on more than 5 pcs(correct me if I am wrong).Its like "hey bring over your ipod and i'll give you my full music collection.And no its not illegeal,its perfectly legal."

2.Real media player producers tried to implement their own drm thingy on songs,apple 'disabled' their drm in their next firmware,real again improved and implemented,apple 'disabled' it again,then real stopped trying.

3.Wow,Now comes my famous part.M$ and Zune.If I transfer songs from my Zune to my friends,it remains playable only for 3 days\3 times.But hey don't worry I got ways to bypass it:
(i.)Easiest of them all is set genre of songs to be transferred to 'podcasts' and voila! all 'podcasts' gets transferred without drm.Ha stupid of M$.
(j.)Still haven't upgraded to 'podcasted' firmwares? Just rename the .mp3 files to .jpg before transferring them to Zune.transfer them to another zune via wifi anndask your friends to rename them back to .mp3.
(k.)don't have much time?Just download one of many drm stripping softies off net.


it clearly indicates the state of drm now,rival companies wouldn't let you play contents bought from another company.Oh hell M$ is the worst of them all,Zunes palys drmed music bought from zune marketplace,it refuses to play 'playforsure' songs which was\is from M$ itself.And somebody tell me who suffers?


the idela solution would be just forget drm sh!t and continue our good old ways.OR all major players should come out with a single standard drm thingy and terms of usage which are not stupid which isn't likely to happen IMO.

 

[Voldy]

DRM s**ks

 

[iMav]

the idela solution would be just forget drm sh!t and continue our good old ways.OR all major players should come out with a single standard drm thingy and terms of usage which are not stupid which isn't likely to happen IMO.

anything new which is being tried by various comapnies will have some problems as u pointed out but that doesnt mean the idea is flawed or the concept is flawed its just the implementation- which im saying for quite some time the implementation needs to be worked in a way that does not affect consumers who buy original ... and ur suggested solution is what i think EU is trying to do

and as far as apple's idea its more liek they know that 70% of ipod users know that they cant transfer songs from the pods to the pc so their idea actually works ... and 5 pcs or whatever is for the user to take the song to his home pc; laptop or for backup ... again the idea is to reduce the piracy ... now if they allow u to put the song on any number of pcs .... only 1 person will buy rest will share but in this case either u need to have an ipod and know that u can transfer songs from ipod to pc or have an ipod and know a foll who will keep on giving u his dwnldd songs or be such good frenz with him that he allows ur pc to be 1 of the 5

MS - well they are still finding ground with zune their market place is nascent and zune is still to become the xbox of the music industry

conclusion: concept is good implementation needs improvement

 

[The_Devil_Himself]

^^perfect it before you use it,stop making guinea pigs out of genuine buyers.Any unified steps are more than welcome.Games companies have been using various protections to avoid piracy(and spending millions) but tell me has it stopped or say even lowered the rate of piracy?

its so stupid that I wonder how these big-wig companies manage to go along with it.monopoly sucks.


And who said piracy is all that bad?If I don't have money to buy original stuff than I don't have the right to listen to quality music I like?
There is not black and white fields in it,all things are greyed out without any clear lines.

 

[iMav]

^^perfect it before you use it,stop making guinea pigs out of genuine buyers.

its not about perfecting something for them they have to release it first and see how it works in the masses ... drm has been in works for the past 12 years and only now got the attention so there will be improvement; there are sp1s firmware upgrades so cant a technology be adapted and improved with time ....

and devil ur talking as if drm content is all around u dont exaggerate it so much

 

[The_Devil_Himself]

^^
1.yea you are right its been there for 12 years and still it is so raw and stupid.

2.Its pretty much around us if you see closely albeit in slightly different forms.regioned DVDs,securomed games(securom drivers were declared spywares iirc),et al.And it is increasing at a rapid rate thanks to all the backings it is getting.

I wonder why you made that second statement,it shows you too don't like it much.who can like it anyway?

Its not like "hey I can get this for free,why should I pay then?".People do like to pay including me.

 

[iMav]

but the thing is if ur buying original how is it affecting u its not to an extent which has has so far been depicted by jeshtha ... he has calmlyignored the repercussions of piracy to the people making the music....

and yes artists dont mind it simply because they are paid by sponsors; event managements and recording labels where as the secondary artists the 1s whose foto is not printed on the cover or the 1s who are not featured in videos they are the 1s who are worst hit due to piracy ... the companies will cut their cost their artists cost and then pay them

games u buy original play it how does it affect u

buy original dvds/drm protected content play it on Vista (yes vista vista ... switch to vista if ur using OSS) or play it on OS X it wont affect u .... it will only make sure that ur not generously distributing their content without them getting a share

PS: we are on the same page in this case and my post says u but is not specifically to u

 

[goobimama]

First of all, companies need to revise their pricing strategy when it comes to third world nations. Take for instance, books. A book in the UK will cost 20 pounds, but the same one will be available here for somewhere like 150 bucks (original). So there is little demand for pirated books. Now soft media is easier to deploy than hard copies such as books. All they have to do is reduce the prices for the third world nations and people will definitely look into buying software.

A subway train ticket will cost 4 pounds in the UK while a song will cost 80 cents. In India a train ticket will cost 12 bucks but a song will cost 50 bucks (if the cost of a 400 rupee CD is divided into 8 songs).

Now DRMing the content isn't going to help in any way. A pirate will download a song from a torrent network which will definitely be free of any content protection. Ethically wrong, but he won't suffer. On the other hand, a proper customer who buys a song from say iTunes store cannot play it on his chinese branded MP3 player or take it along with him on his linux laptop. Who suffers here?

@iMav: What of HD DVDs and Bluray? People need to get HDCP enabled displays just to play those discs. You can't (without much trouble) make copies to store on your hard drive. You are forced to watch previews, ads about piracy and other whatnot before getting to the movie.

 

[iMav]

o cmon goobi dude ... hdcp and hd dvds/blu rays are a new tech they need compliant hardware

last time i checked there was a fast forward button on the remote (i wonder whether ur apple remote has 1 or jobs ate it ) ok jokes apart are u advocating piracy by saying that by buying a song via itunes a consumer suffers and thereby should turn to piracy to play his media on linux .... holy sh!t .... linux promotes piracy

 

[infra_red_dude]

o cmon goobi dude ... hdcp and hd dvds/blu rays are a new tech they need compliant hardware

last time i checked there was a fast forward button on the remote (i wonder whether ur apple remote has 1 or jobs ate it ) ok jokes apart are u advocating piracy by saying that by buying a song via itunes a consumer suffers and thereby should turn to piracy to play his media on linux .... holy sh!t .... linux promotes piracy

No, haf a regional pricing as Milind suggested. Activation/DRM/Keys/Serial No. nothing will help..... I can say this again.. and again.. and again... and prolly a thousand more times!

Someone is convicted of rape, he's awarded punishment; does that mean the end of rapes in the country? Does that mean the future generation will not know the meaning of rape. Will the punishment guarantee that the right person is convicted????

What will help? Liberalization, tolerance, EDUCATION! Why are instances of sexual harassment greater in this country and others where the society is not so liberal? LACK OF EDUCATION!

Similarly, piracy can be eradicated only if the users chose to do so and proper pricing will help in that. After MoserBaer launched the low-cost DVD/CD you would agree that the sales figures are rising.... this is something to be proud of! When you get the original stuff for under Rs.100 why would anyone pay 60-70 for the pirated one? The casing, the original seal.. believe me.. no one would like to flaunt the pirated CD/DVDs anywhere; whereas people make attempts to get noticed for genuine stuff. Ask a person who has bought windows and has the seal and the original CD!!!!

If DRM is implemented on hardware, there is no doubt on the fact that it'll be cracked; mebbe just in a few dayz. All the time and money spent go down the drain... pirates apply that patch/crack and enjoy the "de-DRM'd" content. While whats the negative impact? Genuine users will stop buying DRM'd content, coz they can't take that DRM song with them on their 3rd Party PMP when on move. The genuine users will actually then download the crack... so the industry actually loses!

THE SOLUTION TO STOP PIRACY IS EDUCATION AND REASONABLE PRICES. THERE ARE NO OTHER WAYS TO ERADICATE PIRACY. NO DRM/KEYS/ACTIVATION WILL STOP PIRACY. ITS JUST A WASTE OF RESOURCES FOR THE COMPANY IMPLEMENTING IT AND A PITA FOR THE GENUINE USER!

 

[praka123]

^thx for that!as that's what am trying to say!but 2 m@r@ns made me pushed to choose my side with whether am with DRMing or Piracy and i said piracy so much to believe!i am,never want to be a pirate and knows how ppl suffer from high costs of softwares,music and even a foreign edition book as far as software are concerned Linux and FOSS is both a cash saver for 3rd world and also a superior platform as also FOSS movement which is awakening of community!i am still wondering how ppl like @imeow will buy a plot if someone encroaches and put a dhaba there,he will be more happy! am trying the anomaly to say how the movies,softwares etc containing DRM rootkits WITHOUT our permission although we BUYS it!.said WITHOUT because most people dont care for EULA or dont know what DRM is!

 

[iMav]

@infra: uv missed the previous few pages of the discussion most of what uv pointed out has been adequately and properly replied previously

and ur point of education has been explained with an apt example please go thru the thread and ur time/money down the drain is also explained via an example

 

[goobimama]

o cmon goobi dude ... hdcp and hd dvds/blu rays are a new tech they need compliant hardware

last time i checked there was a fast forward button on the remote (i wonder whether ur apple remote has 1 or jobs ate it ) ok jokes apart are u advocating piracy by saying that by buying a song via itunes a consumer suffers and thereby should turn to piracy to play his media on linux .... holy sh!t .... linux promotes piracy

Well who suffers in the case of HDCP? the pirates have already cracked the protection and are happily downloading the movies. Genuine users on the other hand are forced into upgrading to compliant hardware and software.

And you can't fast forward ads and promos on a DVD and I assume a HD disc.

But there is one thing that is worse than DRM. It's these ugly ads on TDF!