one license, DRM scheme to rule them all

[iMav]

Well who suffers in the case of HDCP? the pirates have already cracked the protection and are happily downloading the movies. Genuine users on the other hand are forced into upgrading to compliant hardware and software.

would u choose to use OS X on pc or mac

And you can't fast forward ads and promos on a DVD and I assume a HD disc.

is it? i thought this wasnt implemented as of yet ... this part i hate

 

[infra_red_dude]

@infra: uv missed the previous few pages of the discussion most of what uv pointed out has been adequately and properly replied previously

and ur point of education has been explained with an apt example please go thru the thread and ur time/money down the drain is also explained via an example

I do not see any explanation. All you guys seem to be saying is that DRM is needed to prevent piracy and pay back the artist. I'm saying nothing will help except low-regionwise pricing and education.

Plz point me answers to the issues I've raised which, in your own words, haf been adequately and properly replied previously.

 

[iMav]

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=710486&postcount=28

second quote here:

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=710517&postcount=34

lasr para here:

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=710541&postcount=40

low ppricing who is going to pay the the people who fotos are not printed on the cover or the 1s who are not featured in the video a song is not just a singer and the recording company

education yes we are all being educated that drunk driving is risky and women should be respected

just because osama will still be successful in blasting a place or killing some 1 does nt mean that all anti-terrorsit measures be stopped and we sit hand on hand and say that ots a waste pf resources

 

[infra_red_dude]

stopping and avoiding are 2 different things ...not being able to stop terrorism doesnt mean u stop probing it or stop funding anti-terrorism mechanism .... drm is an attempt at reducing piracy bringing all media and tech companies together to wrok and help each other making things work better for the consumer

Yes, bring out the product when it actually works! Forget about even working better!

ya rite drunk driving; women molestation needs to be dealt with human interaction and not by polic putting u in jail talk practicality sir

Yes, jailing/fining are only temporary solutions!! People still evade the police, get bails, pay fines. So does this stop them from committing the crime? As per your saying DRM is the only way to stop piracy. I still say to eradicate piracy (and also molestation, drunk driving et. al which you've mentioned) a permanent solution is education and only education which helps in valuing the individual's hard work.

also making something cheap is not the solution ... the amount of money a music company puts in advertising; recording and campaigning for a record the number of musicians and technicians who record and work on a record who is going to pay them ....

So what are the companies trying to do? Recover the cost lost by piracy from genuine users by keeping the price high???? Thats what is happening...

Think about it, if a commodity is priced at Rs.1000; one user has a genuine one, 99 pirate at Rs.70. Same commodity is priced at Rs.100. That one genuine user still remains, yet the probability of those 99 pirates buying genuine stuff is much much higher. Then those 99 "ex-pirates" recommend other 99 people to buy. So who's benefited in the end? The company. These are Management lessons. Anyways... beyond the scope of this discussion.

low ppricing who is going to pay the the people who fotos are not printed on the cover or the 1s who are not featured in the video a song is not just a singer and the recording company

Guess this has been adequately answered above. Low pricing will increase sales and generate same or more revenue.

education yes we are all being educated that drunk driving is risky and women should be respected

Then why is the (Rape)/(No. of males) ratio greater in India than US? They are more open-minded and educated in this respect. What we haf in our country is superficial respect.

The same fellow who will advocate Rights and respect to the female gender will go an molest a woman given a chance. It is analogous to those arguing here FOR DRM listening to illegally downloaded songs of Taare Zameen Par in the background while typing their posts!!!! I'm not pointing at anyone but giving an example what mostly happens here.

just because osama will still be successful in blasting a place or killing some 1 does nt mean that all anti-terrorsit measures be stopped and we sit hand on hand and say that ots a waste pf resources

What? Not implementing DRM would help Osama kill someone??? Dude when comparing things make some logical comparison.

Secondly, just coz they need to stop Osama doesn't mean that they kill innocents for it (akin to troubling genuine users in the name of anti-piracy).

I'm not saying artists shouldn't be getting their share of money. All I am saying is that the value of money is different in different countries. Hence it should be priced accordingly.

 

[goobimama]

Lastly, don't believe everything the US government tells you. Osama might as well be a fictional figure which they put to cover up themselves bombing the twin towers...

 

[iMav]

1. pricing should be different: 300 for a record it cheap IMHO considering the fact these recording studios employee so much technically skilled larbor and use top of the line equipment - a bloody rec. mic costs 1.5 lac and just tap the mic twice wen its on kaboom ... 1.5 lac gone not to mention the softwares and the computers

2. and we all education is the solution but talk practically dude talk praticality what is happening talk about what is happening

we are being educated but still u cna see the news whats happening 0 y not stop arresting them and start education channels telling people that they shud respect women and shud drink and drive

3. and the comparison is absolutely simple which u understood

no is killing any1 in the name of anti-piracy . . ppl pay the price and are pretty happy with it .... no 1 is complaining abt the current prices of cds and music the whole anti-drm campaign is not based on high prices but the restrictions it levies on users - restrictions that act as deterrent to piracy and make sure people pay for what they enjoy while typing their posts... we all want cheap stuff well thats us - apes cant do anything abt it can we

also u keep saying this educate thing - implement drm and then keep educating people not to turn to piracy or pirate drm content

 

[infra_red_dude]

1. pricing should be different: 300 for a record it cheap IMHO considering the fact these recording studios employee so much technically skilled larbor and use top of the line equipment - a bloody rec. mic costs 1.5 lac and just tap the mic twice wen its on kaboom ... 1.5 lac gone not to mention the softwares and the computers

You don't get the point here.

2. and we all education is the solution but talk practically dude talk praticality what is happening talk about what is happening

Exactly, I'm talking about what is happening. Inspite of punishment the crime rate is high. I'm saying punishment is only a temporary solution.

start education channels telling people that they shud respect women and shud drink and drive

That will actually help. The proposal to include gory images on cigarette packs was dropped only coz it'd hurt the cigarette manufacturing companies as it would surely make some difference, mebbe minuscule now, to smoking. But thats all not related to this discussion. My point is Education in some way or the other helps.

no 1 is complaining abt the current prices of cds and music the whole anti-drm campaign is not based on high prices but the restrictions it levies on users - restrictions that act as deterrent to piracy

I'm not talking about the anti-drm campaign. I'm talking about a way to remove the need of DRM and hence anti-drm. Na rahega baans, na bajegi baansuri!

we all want cheap stuff well thats us - apes cant do anything abt it can we

We don't want cheap stuff. We want stuff reasonably priced which would help companies generate revenues. Consider the example of the 99 pirates I gave above. In addition to that the company saves huge amount and also labour which it'd hafta otherwise spend on implementing DRM technology and/or paying royalty for the DRM algo.

also u keep saying this educate thing - implement drm and then keep educating people not to turn to piracy or pirate drm content

If education and price aspects are taken into consideration then there is no need to "educate people to NOT to pirate DRM content"!!!

 

[goobimama]

I watched a video on what happens when you don't wear a seat belt. It triggered something in me and now I always wear a seat belt while driving. On the other hand, for years before that, even though the cops levied a fine for those not wearing a seat belt, I never once bothered.

There are stories of cops in Somedabad where instead of fining those not wearing helmets, they pleading them to wear helmets and showed them pictures of what happens when you don't wear them.

 

[kalpik]

iMav: Just look here: *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77302

So common sense is gradually coming to at least some companies! That's what anirudh was trying to say all this time.

 

[gary4gar]

^^^
simple!
so cheap is the original stuff than you will buy the pirated content, no need to invest millions of dollars in making stupid & unfriendly technologies like DRM & then recover cost incurred from consumers.

why shall consumers pay for your sins?

Its doing bad and rather than doing any good, as people say by paying money you get a product with various conditions and long EULAs. whereas you can get product from pirated market with any restrictions over it, so whats the charm of paying extra amount & suffering over it.better paying less & enjoy more, mostly people do the second thing(pay less & enjoy more). its a basic human nature


people in media industry are sitting on huge profits & still cry piracy
hypocrites!
tell them to reduce prices & then "Economies of scale" will do its magic

check this site:*www.moserbaerhomevideo.com
most title are available for price equal to pirated markets, so people are buying it

 

[praka123]

^even sony is removing DRM's in their DVD sales as per news.

 

[iMav]

things cant be made cheap there is a threshold beyond which 1 cant reduce the prices .... companies are not charity organisations that they will keep selling u stuff at break even margins ..... and anirudh if u think that making cheap is the solution are the freakin companies so f*cking dumb that they cant think of that ....

things cant be made cheap and expect volumes to increase .... no matter what nothing is cheaper than free ..... u guys keep saying make it cheap make it cheap im trying to tell u a simple thing that it is not feasible for all major companies to make stuff cheap because they have to make profits and at the same time pay so many employees

drm is a deterrent a method to reduce piracy by making it complicated for people

moserbaer is only selling movies its not a production house neither is it a recording label guys please try and understand .... where are the recording companies supposed to make money from ..... u cant sell something cheaper than a particular limit and none of us know how moserbaer works as in how have they worked this out or what are their profit margins

marketing and pricing are the biggest factors for any business and a lot of thinking goes into it

and anirudh please dont try to compare ur knowledge of marketing and management with that of the likes of recording companies and production houses around the world which company wants to sell less of its products (except luxury items)

 

[infra_red_dude]

things cant be made cheap there is a t
hreshold beyond which 1 cant reduce the prices .... companies are not charity organisations that they will keep selling u stuff at break even margins ..... and anirudh if u think that making cheap is the solution are the freakin companies so f*cking dumb that they cant think of that ....

^^^ Ok sir, I bow down and out. No point in arguing. You argue as if you own the recording studios and are incurring huge losses due to MoserBaer selling at low prices and that every piece in your computer (from software to songs/videos/movies etc.) have been bought by you and never pirated!!!!

things cant be made cheap and expect volumes to increase ....

First thing is you need to go out in the market and haf a look at the sales! Sitting in front of the computer and making comments will not give you any idea about the sales of such items.

no matter what nothing is cheaper than free .....

Does that mean that you look upto the sky and say: Oh God plz gimme Jab We Met DVD and pop! A DL-DVD is dropped in your hands? Wake up. Nothing is free! You are spending on electricity and time to download that 8GB movie off the net; waking up at 2AM for the free hours to start, then buy a DL-DVD and burn it; or you are spending time to first crack DRM, then rip it and burn it on a DL-DVD for your friend!!! Companies need to highlight such things which show that nothing is free in this world!!!

drm is a deterrent a method to reduce piracy by making it complicated for people

I'm not teaching any company Management lessons, just pointing them that what they feared is not the case. Bringing the price down has had a significant impact on reducing piracy as everyone can see. A plz... keep the joke for some other day that: drm is a deterrent a method to reduce piracy by making it complicated for people

moserbaer is only selling movies its not a production house neither is it a recording label guys please try and understand .... where are the recording companies supposed to make money from ..... u cant sell something cheaper than a particular limit and none of us know how moserbaer works as in how have they worked this out or what are their profit margins

No company in the world will sell anything without profits. Thats a basic funda of marketting and selling. Do you think all the profit goes to MoserBaer? They hafta pay the recording company for every DVD they sell. This is how it works. You can't, for e.g, sell anything and make money on it. No recording company gives rights to distributors to pocket all profits.

marketing and pricing are the biggest factors for any business and a lot of thinking goes into it

Companies fear to experiment. But hats off to MoserBaer for taking such a big, bold and appropriate step to curb piracy

and anirudh please dont try to compare ur knowledge of marketing and management with that of the likes of recording companies and production houses around the world which company wants to sell less of its products (except luxury items)

Sorry sir, I am a mere mortal. How can I compare my knowledge with the likes of recording companies?

The problem in today's world is that people don't think independently! When their choice of company brings out something they think that is the only option and support it. Sony fans swear DRM is the future coz Sony was one of the first to implement it. I can see the same attitude almost everywhere.

A company has HR dept., technical dept. etc but what they come out is not the ultimate thing. There are alternatives and definitely better. So think with your brainz.

Anyways.. all the posts haf been useless. I am signing out....

 

[kumarmohit]

consumer-friendly DRM system

The chances of having a consumer friendly DRM is like as much as Microsoft, heck anyone developing a bug free software. What was the word, ah... Oxymoron.

If DRM has been great and all why is it that the DRM is now being abandoned by the record companies who started it. Heck even Sony BMG, which is the last (and also the introducer) holdout of DRM is considering abandoning it with Amazon MP3 store.

 

[iMav]

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Anyways.. all the posts haf been useless. I am signing out....

ur could have been but this time around i tried to reason out with posts that were explaining some fundamentals abt drm which jeshtha has never spoken abt...

however im still not sure as to what specific problem u have with drm .... charan is using drm media and has said that he faces no issues with it other than not being playable on linux which i dont think shud be an issue with u coz u have often said that u use both platforms