Maharashtra bans beef, 5 years jail, Rs 10,000 fine for possession or sale

[GhorMaanas]

That would be homicide/cannibalism.

correct. but from where does the legal point of view about it arise? i think you may be getting the point. anyway....

The reply which I expected.

Humans are edible too, if you're a lion. Every species wants to survive. They don't want their 'own' to die i.e. their genes to come to an end. So animals eating their own species is actually very rare.

I'm glad you're vegetarian btw. Because reading your post, I think if you were non-vegetarian, you won't find considerable impediment in eating your own species as well!

I can think of numerous logical reasons for preferring vegetarian food. For these reasons, I prefer vegetarian food. But sadly your logic will be mostly limited to your myopic faith in religion. Come out of it.

nevermind. i also get to read expected posts and replies most-of-the-times.

well, animals don't make laws, nor are presumably capable of thinking on 'humane' lines, a property 'special' to us. yes, life indeed goes on with harm to one another.

since you wrote using 'logic', i extended your line to include another life form. i would also implore you to quit your myopic faith in mere mental gymnastics, and engage in a bit of thoughtfulness.

my 'logic' or 'ill-logic', whatever you may deem it, is to strive towards least harm required in living. if you have achieved it or are working towards it, that's a good indicator of your evolution as a human, to whom humaneness is/should be central. i have no 'beef' with beef-eaters/non-vegetarians, nor have i ranted against them anywhere (THAT would be myopic) but i would applaud & support any step, either taken on an individual-level or on a collective-basis (governmental or otherwise), to work towards achieving and realising lesser violent ways and harm to life, one of the steps towards meaningful evolution.

so what? should be removed!

if you feel it should be removed, then the beef-traders association is already preparing to go to the court on your behalf, then whatever the court decides. else, since it was not that only the forumers had voted the alliance in power (without reading the manifesto, that is), the other method would be to spread your ideas, form an association of like-minded people, try to take all public in confidence, prepare a manifesto, contest elections, win, prepare a bill, get consensus, get it passed in the assembly, make provisions for punishments on protesting slaughters, get it enacted, and then feel good about it.

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On counter point, this move makes some sense considering that the desi cow is getting extinct.

yes, i had read a similar piece of info, but i reckon it was from decades back (after the time when cross-breeding between desi and firang breeds was taken as an initiative).

 

[skeletor]

well, animals don't make laws, nor are presumably capable of thinking on 'humane' lines, a property 'special' to us. yes, life indeed goes on with harm to one another.

Surely we are more evolved scientifically, but animals do have emotions/thinking of their own.

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Monkey saves dying friend at Indian train station - video | World news | The Guardian

A monkey at Kanpur train station in India saves the life of another monkey who had fallen unconscious on the tracks after being electrocuted by walking on wires above. The first monkey rubs, hits and bites him, then dips him in water. After more than 20 minutes the electrocuted monkey shows signs of life

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[SaiyanGoku]

On counter point, this move makes some sense considering that the desi cow is getting extinct.

I think that has more to do with milkmen wanting more milk yield from cows and so they're adopting hybridisation methods.
Also, milk should be considered as a non-veg item and banned from consumption as it most of it comes from cattle. If you aren't allowed to consume animal protein in the form of beef, then you shouldn't be allowed to take it in the form of milk either.

 

[GhorMaanas]

Surely we are more evolved scientifically, but animals do have emotions/thinking of their own.

good pics there! yes, scientific evolution counts, but viewing it as something separate from a holisitic human evolution is not quite proper IMO.
BTW, do you know about the case of a lioness who nurtured an offspring of an impala as a foster-mother? (the Kanpur monkeys case was also a terrific one!)

 

[skeletor]

good pics there! yes, scientific evolution counts, but viewing it as something separate from a holisitic human evolution is not quite proper IMO.
BTW, do you know about the case of a lioness who nurtured an offspring of an impala as a foster-mother?

yes..!

I apologise for being rude.

 

[GhorMaanas]

yes..!

I apologise for being rude.

aah! hehe. no problemo! accept my apologies too if i was hurtful in any way. since the forum and the interweb are places where we converse without being present physically in front of each other, somehow the finer aspects of a conversation usually tend to take a backseat on their own.

 

[amjath]

I think that has more to do with milkmen wanting more milk yield from cows and so they're adopting hybridisation methods.
Also, milk should be considered as a non-veg item and banned from consumption as it most of it comes from cattle. If you aren't allowed to consume animal protein in the form of beef, then you shouldn't be allowed to take it in the form of milk either.

Exactly

Most cow's milk has measurable quantities of herbicides, pesticides, dioxins (up to 200 times the safe levels), up to 52 powerful antibiotics (perhaps 53, with LS-50), blood, pus, feces, bacteria and viruses. (Cow's milk can have traces of anything the cow ate... including such things as radioactive fallout from nuke testing ... (the 50's strontium-90 problem).

The Truth About Milk - Read

We are literally eating cow in the name of milk.

 

[skeletor]

Exactly


The Truth About Milk - Read

We are literally eating cow in the name of milk.

nope. the cow is alive.

but surely not eating/drinking something vegetarian.

PETA wants Soya milk to be the substitute.

 

[amjath]

nope. the cow is alive.

but surely not eating something vegetarian.

PETA wants Soya milk to be the substitute.

How will you balance the food web. Will you kill all the snakes since it is poisonous then what happens to growth of rats and other animals related to snakes in food chain

It has more calories than cows milk and less very less calcium content than cows milk.
*www.google.co.in/search?q=soy+milk...rome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

 

[SaiyanGoku]

nope. the cow is alive.

but surely not eating/drinking something vegetarian.

PETA wants Soya milk to be the substitute.

Then people at PETA should drink it. Why force it on others?
And Soya-Paneer tastes really bad compared to the original Paneer. Soya milk can never be a substitute. It can't be used to make curd, cheese, sweets, cakes, ice creams, etc as they will taste yuck.

 

[GhorMaanas]

^^ PETA is pushing ahead for it.
BTW, have you had 'soyamee', or flavoured soya milk? tastes good!

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what the tradition had been here in villages to get milk from cow/buffalo, was to first let it tend to its calf, and then when the calf had its full, get the milk from the cow, which it would give easily. if anyone of you have noticed it or not IDK, the cow at times would start oozing the milk from its udders on the sight of the calf (something like what was shown in the movie 'Julie', if anyone of you might've seen it). i had come to know that this was not the case with the firang cows (though have no first-hand info). so the basis here of getting milk from the cow was, love, not violence, even though technically milk may not be vegetarian (ie, not obtained directly from plant-sources, but indirectly, yes).

come the industrialisation and need to supply urbaniites with milk, and factories had been set up. but here its still better than the west where the cows and buffaloes are fed with ground meat and what-not, except if you could source your milk from a farm there. here you have dairies everywhere, where you can go and check the running, though admittedly, medicines and oxytocins (though banned now i think) are used to an extent, more or less. factories too, though am not sure, get milk from local dairies, against how its in the west, and then process that. indiscriminate cross-breeding of cattle to improve productivity had had its toll. now the related departments and governments are gradually coming to their senses. industrialisation has had its way, and these ways of cattle-keep also come under not-so-loving-care, but it could be said to be one of the ways of paying a price for development.

 

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[MENTION=120775]GhorMaanas[/MENTION] I don't agree on that point. People since the early human era eat meat and we are made in order to eat meat. Eating is a preference but one should not be abolished from a valid option.

 

[Hrishi]

Just a quick but wierd question : According to you is it okay to eat dog meat ?
Let's say , if its tasty and healthy , would you eat it ? If not , then why so ?

[ ps : I am sort of vegeterian. ]

 

[SaiyanGoku]

Just a quick but wierd question : According to you is it okay to eat dog meat ?

[ ps : I am sort of vegeterian. ]

No, unless it comes to a life or death situation (I'm talking about man vs wild standards here). We have regular meat from Birds, Cattle, Pigs, Goat, Sheep, Fishes and other marine animals. Why bother killing a dog which doesn't yields better meat than the aforementioned species?

 

[Hrishi]

No, unless it comes to a life or death situation (I'm talking about man vs wild standards here). We have regular meat from Birds, Cattle, Pigs, Goat, Sheep, Fishes and other marine animals. Why bother killing a dog which doesn't yields better meat than the aforementioned species?

In case , if it had enough yeild ? Would you love to kill a dog and eat it ?
Just like how it is done with cows .

 

[SaiyanGoku]

In case , if it had enough yeild ? Would you love to kill a dog and eat it ?
Just like how it is done with cows .

Its not about the quantity but the quality. But I wouldn't take effort to kill a dog and eat it instead of chicken/mutton.

Worldwide, it is a different story though (Dog meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

 

[amjath]

In case , if it had enough yeild ? Would you love to kill a dog and eat it ?
Just like how it is done with cows .

Its because cows, goats are herbivores and if you look at my religious perspective We should avoid animals with sharp teeth.

 

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[GhorMaanas]

@GhorMaanas I don't agree on that point. People since the early human era eat meat and we are made in order to eat meat. Eating is a preference but one should not be abolished from a valid option.

yes, you may not agree. am not advocating or rejecting the idea of meat-eating here. it may be necessary for some, and not so much for others. but i would rather say that we are made in order to understand and reflect back at some point or the other, and not just remain thoughtless thralls to our two boneless upper and lower organs for our whole lives. IMO necessity should be the prime mover, not want as much. you do what is necessary....and eating has not been prohibited, but killing.
sorry if i am not able to elucidate properly, but if you glance over my sig, that could explain a bit the point am trying to put across. at some juncture, since man has the capacity to pause, think, & understand, s/he could/would be able to self-identify with other beings, and restrict/regulate himself (to that which is really necessary).

BTW, since people are discussing about dogs, dog-slaughter is banned in Australia, as dogs are held dear to the cultural values there.

and a Happy Holi to everyone!

 

[SaiyanGoku]

^ Beef eating in Maharashtra can send you to jail for 5 years. Its all over the news/newspapers
Imagine getting accused of eating beef while eating mutton and then getting sent to prison just because somebody had a grudge on you and reported the police or cops wanted to make some quick bribe