Hitman wants gaming machine...........But only has 70K.......

[vkl]

If OP wants a good CPU with good performance in multi-threaded scenario then fx8350+gtx660 sli is ok.
The 990fx based motherboards are comparatively cheaper and offer good feature-sets.
i5 3570k is quite good but then one has to compromise for gtx660 SLI.
For gaming performance with a good CPU though not overclock-able i5 3470 with hd7870 crossfireX is also fine.
If going for multi-GPU hd7870 is would be better than gtx660 SLI from gaming point of view.Else gtx660SLI is ok.

 

[Cilus]

Quote from my previous post

But it looks like so. However, getting GTX 660 SLI is not a bad choice, it is better than 7850 CF.

660 SLI is better than HD 7850 CF and you need a HD 7870 CF to counter it. Also SLI offers smoother game play out of the box and for CF, you need to know some tweaking and use of third party tools like Radeon Pro for smoother game play.

And Vickybat, although CF is not as smooth as SLI out of the box, HardOcp has exaggerated that thing by using some mystic words like some hidden optimization in Nvidia specific Kepler architecture which users are still not aware. The reason is simple, higher Micro shuttering in Crossfire setup, reducing the smoothness of the game even though offering better average Frame Rates. In the HD 7990 review, Tomshardware has demystified that fact pretty easily and they has also shown the Radeon Pro configuration to minimize Micro shuttering. It is also observed when comparable AMD and Nvidia cards are in CF of SLI setup, a tweaked Crossfire provides smoother game play than SLI.

Now come to the tweaking part, you don't need to be a technical Geek for that. After a single reading of the Tomshardware article, anyone can easily set that up. Another thing to point out: Tomshardware were using the stable release of Radeon Pro tool. Currently Radeon Pro Preview is available which brings all the Nvidia features like Adpative V-Sync, Dynamic V-syc, FXAA antialiasing etc under the hood. Now anyone can utilize the Adaptive V-Sync with AMD cards and minimize the Micro-shuttering. I am already using it and it does reduce the Microshuttering in COD- Black Ops 2 with my HD 6870 CF.

 

[vickybat]

Quote from my previous post

660 SLI is better than HD 7850 CF and you need a HD 7870 CF to counter it. Also SLI offers smoother game play out of the box and for CF, you need to know some tweaking and use of third party tools like Radeon Pro for smoother game play.

And Vickybat, although CF is not as smooth as SLI out of the box, HardOcp has exaggerated that thing by using some mystic words like some hidden optimization in Nvidia specific Kepler architecture which users are still not aware. The reason is simple, higher Micro shuttering in Crossfire setup, reducing the smoothness of the game even though offering better average Frame Rates. In the HD 7990 review, Tomshardware has demystified that fact pretty easily and they has also shown the Radeon Pro configuration to minimize Micro shuttering. It is also observed when comparable AMD and Nvidia cards are in CF of SLI setup, a tweaked Crossfire provides smoother game play than SLI.

Now come to the tweaking part, you don't need to be a technical Geek for that. After a single reading of the Tomshardware article, anyone can easily set that up. Another thing to point out: Tomshardware were using the stable release of Radeon Pro tool. Currently Radeon Pro Preview is available which brings all the Nvidia features like Adpative V-Sync, Dynamic V-syc, FXAA antialiasing etc under the hood. Now anyone can utilize the Adaptive V-Sync with AMD cards and minimize the Micro-shuttering. I am already using it and it does reduce the Microshuttering in COD- Black Ops 2 with my HD 6870 CF.

You don't get the point here. Even if you enable dynamic v-sync in radeon pro, you will definitely lose microstuttering and overall chopiness but not without sacrificing fps.
Read that tomshardware article carefully. They had to cap fps count to 50 fps and 40 fps depending on games. Then only microstuttering was gone. Hardocp did the same thing here and that too ingame. They did not use any mystic words. SLI's implementation really has some hidden algorithm that nvidia uses from driver level which smooths things up without any vsync cap set.

SLI runs smoothly even without vsync on and you get maximum fps the cards can churn. But for crossfire, you have to set a cap for frames to smooth up and thus reducing overall average framerate.

Same thing happened in far cry 3 and in fact it had some horrible micro-stuttering of all. Nvidia's adaptive v-sync isn't a mere software implementation like amd's dynamic v-sync.
Although you get smoothness in amd, but not without sacrificing framerates or setting a cap by enabling v-sync. The same thing isn't applicable to nvidia's approach.

 

[Cilus]

Again you are reading me wrong. Read my post carefully, I talked about the new Radeon Pro preview version, not the older one Tomshardware has used. The new one comes with a feature called Dynamic Frame Rate Control with a Text box. You can provide a value over there on the basis of the graphics card you are having. After that Radeon Pro will always try to maintain that frame rate and will remove the Micro shuttering in a great margin. This feature is not related to V-Sync or the refresh rate of the display you are using, resulting the Frame rate higher than the Monitor refresh rate. Look at the Screenshot below:-

 

[vickybat]

^^ Its nothing new at all.

Check the tomshardware image:

Spoiler

*i.imgur.com/sJGYj.png

They also have enabled "Dynamic Frame Rate Control with a Text box".

I don't think by just doing that micro stuttering be handled to a great extent. You have to enable v-sync.
Try far cry 3 for a test and let us know.

Imo, you have to enable double vsync there as well as tick that checkbox.

Setting fps cap varies from game to game. For call of duty, you can keep 70 but for far cry 3, its 30 and so on.

 

[Myth]

The way I see it, amd drivers are maturing relatively faster and CF has evolved. The amd micro stuttering might be overstated here for reasons unknown.
If it were as 'horrible' as the articles state, we will notice the obvious drop in usage(which we dont/wont).
IMO, if a few tweaks can improve performance, amd is always preferable due to the larger memory interface width and vram.

Anyway, may I suggest we not discuss this in this thread(unless OP is ok with it).
OP is confused as it is and this doesn't help much.
A single card setup is simpler and more to OP's understanding.

@Cilius: That screenshot is from your system ?

 

[vickybat]

The way I see it, amd drivers are maturing relatively faster and CF has evolved. The amd micro stuttering might be overstated here for reasons unknown.
If it were as 'horrible' as the articles state, we will notice the obvious drop in usage(which we dont/wont).
IMO, if a few tweaks can improve performance, amd is always preferable due to the larger memory interface width and vram

Nope its not overstated. CF suffers from microstuttering while SLI does not or handles it perfectly. This has been stated by many reviewers and not one.

For the bold part of yours, most of the users here have single gpu and microstuttering is a multigpu issue. So most of us don't see.
Yes few tweaks will get rid of microstuttering but at the cost of FPS drop. This is where SLI shines and most reviewers have similar views.

 

[Cilus]

^^ Yes, I am now trying the new Radeon Pro Preview version with different settings. Currently testing with Black Ops 2. Will start with Far Cry 3 once done with it. Also trying to inject SMAA in games from Radeon Pro to check picture quality settings, along with FXAA.

Vicky, I missed one thing in my previous post. There is a new value added in the V-Sync control menu, namely Dynamic. This feature controls how vertical synchronization is applied at rendering time, automatically turning it off when frame rate is below monitor's refresh rate to reduce stuttering and turning it on when frame rate is above or equal to monitor's refresh rate, improving smoothness. I am currently trying this feature and found out it is resolving my Micro shuttering issues in Black Ops 2 with highest possible settings.

And as per the Tomshardware, even you have to sacrifice some frame rates with the RadeonPro settings, after that Crossfire delivered smoother game play experience than SLI. So like you were pointing out that SLI is normally smoother despite of having lower FPS, same thing applies here, isn't it? After Radeon Pro tweaks, crossfire is capped with lesser FPS but delivers smoother game play.

 

[hitman4]

so...basically this two guys are trying to help you and yer raging as off topic? kinda not smart..isn't it?

my head is aching....

 

[sumonpathak]

well..u asked so many questions..so you should be ready for the answers....
you want my take?
take a single 7870 now....change out the motherboard to something good like Sniper M3..and yer all set to go...the fact that 1155 is goin EOL is well...another stuff

 

[Cilus]

^^ Sorry bro, ya some off topic discussion. But if you go through it, it will help you to decide about Multi-GPU setup and the choice of Graphics card in that case. The summary is:-
If you wanna multi GPU setup with hassle free setup and smoother performance out of the box, then Nvidia is better option. On the other hand, if you don't mind little tweaking then Crossfire is also good and will provide you smooth performance, sometimes with lesser price point.

I will create a separate thread in GPU section in Multi-GPU section and move the posts over there.

 

[mandarpalshikar]

well..u asked so many questions..so you should be ready for the answers....
you want my take?
take a single 7870 now....change out the motherboard to something good like Sniper M3..and yer all set to go...the fact that 1155 is goin EOL is well...another stuff

Ye.... I'm thinking abt when the Maximus V Formula prices will go down to sub 17K ...

^^ Sorry bro, ya some off topic discussion. But if you go through it, it will help you to decide about Multi-GPU setup and the choice of Graphics card in that case. The summary is:-
If you wanna multi GPU setup with hassle free setup and smoother performance out of the box, then Nvidia is better option. On the other hand, if you don't mind little tweaking then Crossfire is also good and will provide you smooth performance, sometimes with lesser price point.

I will create a separate thread in GPU section in Multi-GPU section and move the posts over there.

@OP - Go for multi-GPU only if you are ready to tweak a lot.. be it nvidia or amd card.

 

[The Incinerator]

I will still maintain get a single powerful GPU. A HD 7950 preferably.
How ? Cut down on the UPS , The Mouse Pad and Get a cheaper Z motherboard. Anything while Z that supports SLi will set you back by Rs 10K. Concentrate on the Core components.

 

[hitman4]

^^ Sorry bro, ya some off topic discussion. But if you go through it, it will help you to decide about Multi-GPU setup and the choice of Graphics card in that case. The summary is:-
If you wanna multi GPU setup with hassle free setup and smoother performance out of the box, then Nvidia is better option. On the other hand, if you don't mind little tweaking then Crossfire is also good and will provide you smooth performance, sometimes with lesser price point.

I will create a separate thread in GPU section in Multi-GPU section and move the posts over there.

dude no need to be sorry at all its just that I AM STILL CONFUSED

ok now these are final please tell the rest:

G Skill RipjawsX 2 x 4gb 3300
Western Digital Caviar Black 1tb 6100
Asus Dvd Writer 1000
Corsair GS600 4400
NZXT Gamma 2500
Benq GL2250HM 8700
Logitech mk200 700
CPU……………?
MB………………?
GPU…………..?
UPS…………….?
Budget for remaining parts....48300

PLEASE Dont excede Budget of 48300

 

[vickybat]

And as per the Tomshardware, even you have to sacrifice some frame rates with the RadeonPro settings, after that Crossfire delivered smoother game play experience than SLI. So like you were pointing out that SLI is normally smoother despite of having lower FPS, same thing applies here, isn't it? After Radeon Pro tweaks, crossfire is capped with lesser FPS but delivers smoother game play.

Well i don't think you are sacrificing any smoothness with sli. Turning vsync-on in game will ofcourse cap framerates for any card and deliver smoothness. But point is the perfect sweetspot between smoothness and framerates. Nvidia's algorithm takes care of it ingame and there's no need to cap FPS. From reviewers comments, there was no micro-stuttering worth complaining. You can see the level on smoothness in graphs with a few spikes here and there but to the naked eye, they will seem equal.

For example nvidia gives 90% smoothness normally and amd gives 95% smoothness after radeon-pro tweak by capping FPS.
With nvidia, the game gives 50fps and in amd after capping it gives 30fps.

If both systems are seen side by side, they will seem equally smooth but nvidia's framerate advantage will have considerable differences.
Same thing happened in far cry 3 because its highly demanding. In cod , we won't notice because even after capping, the framerates are well above 60 most of the time.

Nvidia seems to have this advantage in multigpu this generation. Ofcourse things can be tweaked but in heavily demanding games like far cry 3 and others , nvidia's solution is worthwhile as you don't lose any framerates for a smooth and better gameplay.

It seems hardocp wasn't joking about this fact at all. But yeah, atleast there is an option to deal with things for amd users.

@OP - Go for multi-GPU only if you are ready to tweak a lot.. be it nvidia or amd card.

Nope, i don't think you have to tweak anything in nvidia as far stuttering prevention is concerned. Adaptive vsync is a driver feature and works automatically when turned on in forceware control panel.
Besides, these days, sli profiles get automatically downloaded. So no hassles like before.

For amd, radeon pro tweaking has to be done for smoother experience. But that has its drawbacks on heavy titles.

This strictly speaking about multi-gpu though.

 

[sumonpathak]

48300...
CPU-FX 8350-12.5K
Mobo-990FXA UD3-9.5k(full atx so you wont face any spacing issues)
GPU-HD 7950-21K
total=43K..
use the rest for UPS or watever...

alternatively
3570k-14k
Sniper m3-11.5k ish(approx)(micro atx but the only decent board at around 12k range)
7950-21k
total=46.5k

if i were you i would have gone with the amd platform...you will see minimal diff in gaming..

 

[mandarpalshikar]

Well i don't think you are sacrificing any smoothness with sli. Turning vsync-on in game will ofcourse cap framerates for any card and deliver smoothness. But point is the perfect sweetspot between smoothness and framerates. Nvidia's algorithm takes care of it ingame and there's no need to cap FPS. From reviewers comments, there was no micro-stuttering worth complaining.

Nvidia seems to have this advantage in multigpu this generation. Ofcourse things can be tweaked but in heavily demanding games like far cry 3 and others , nvidia's solution is worthwhile
as you don't lose any framerates for a smooth and better gameplay.

It seems hardocp wasn't joking about this fact at all. But yeah, atleast there is an option to deal with things for amd users.



Nope, i don't think you have to tweak anything in nvidia as far stuttering prevention is concerned. Adaptive vsync is a driver feature and works automatically when turned on in forceware control panel.
Besides, these days, sli profiles get automatically downloaded. So no hassles like before.

For amd, radeon pro tweaking has to be done for smoother experience. But that has its drawbacks on heavy titles.

This strictly speaking about multi-gpu though.

Bro... have you used SLI or Crossfire yourself ? You'll know what I meant once you use it. Its not only about micro stuttering. I've personally used SLI config for sometime. And trust me.. you need to do a lot of tweaking.

 

[vickybat]

]Bro... have you used SLI or Crossfire yourself ?[/B] You'll know what I meant once you use it. Its not only about micro stuttering. I've personally used SLI config for sometime. And trust me.. you need to do a lot of tweaking.

Dude the answer is a YES. Cilus lives 20km from my place and i often use his system. There are no tweakings that would give you a headache. Things have changed big time and thus you see multigpu recommendations from reviewers. If you had used an SLI config in the past, then that would had no adaptive v-sync
to take care of tearing and stuttering.
SLI/Crossfire profile problems are indeed a thing of the past.

On a side note, you don't have to own something or use each and every setup to comment. Reading through reliable sources provide ample knowledge to make a comment. For example if you read hardocp's methodologies, it will seem you are trying them for yourself. They mention each and every detail. You don't have to use everything to pass a comment.

 

[Myth]

Sumon's amd config is best suited here.
The remaining 5k can be used for a Apc 1.1kva UPS.

 

[sumonpathak]

^^but in the end as with the tradition of TDF..he will be convinced to take 3570K+any cheap Z77 alternatives