Gaming PC for around 60k

[Saumil996]

^^
@ d6bmg read posts 10 and 12 in this thread by saikiasunny they will clear your doubts about the warranty.

 

[d6bmg]

^^
@ d6bmg read posts 10 and 12 in this thread by saikiasunny they will clear your doubts about the warranty.

Ah! you buying EVGA!

 

[dfcols71]

imo asrock z77 extreme4 is much better than asus z77 mpro,besides, that llc isn't very clear contrasting opinions all round.Some say may occur in matx boards

 

[sumonpathak]

imo asrock z77 extreme4 is much better than asus z77 mpro,besides, that llc isn't very clear contrasting opinions all round.Some say may occur in matx boards

err?(u make no sense)
on topic :
Load line calibration essentially boils down to how much vdroop you want to allow the system to have.
Now..from what i have seen on sandy bridges..those chips are pansies when it comes to voltage variations.even a .001 difference screws them up.So its better to have a board which has better control over LLC and vdroop.The extreme 4 is NOT GOOD IN CONTROLLING THE LLC.

 

[Saumil996]

^^
I think you should read this article and its next page.

few snippets from the article

Spoiler

If you've ever overclocked a system, chances are that at some point or another you've had opportunity to become upset with your Vdroop "problem." Some users, confused as to why their system refuses to exactly match actual processor supply voltage to the value specified in BIOS, are quick to blame the quality their motherboard; still others find fault with the difference noted between their board's idle and full-load processor supply voltages. Actually, load line droop (Vdroop) is an inherent part of any Intel power delivery design specification and serves an important role in maintaining system stability. In most cases, comments regarding unacceptable power delivery performance are completely unfounded. To make matters worse, unjustified negative consumer perception surrounding this often misunderstood design feature eventually forced a few motherboard manufacturers to respond to enthusiasts' demands for action by adding an option in their BIOS that effectively disables this important function.

and this

Spoiler

Finally, let's take one last real-world look at the consequences of removing Vdroop. ASUS' implementation of this feature, labeled as Load Line Calibration and included with their latest line of motherboards, is particularly worthy of our attention for a number of reasons. The first is that setting lower voltages with this option enabled actually results in a condition in which the CPU voltage under load is higher than the idle voltage. Imagine our confusion as we desperately struggle to understand why our system is Prime95 stable for days yet continues to crash under absolutely no load. What's more, in spite of the absence of droop and for reasons unknown, enabling this feature artificially raises our CPU's minimum stable core voltage at 4.0GHz from 1.28V to about 1.33V. As a result, our system uses more power under load than is otherwise necessary. Our efforts to reduce our processor's supply voltage backfired - instead of lowering the system's total power consumption we managed to affect a 20W increase.

i think we can conclude from this that llc does more harm than good.

 

[sumonpathak]

u do know that the scenario has changed with sandy bridge?
its kinda point less when someone sets off his mind to a particular inference and refuses to look beyond it...

 

[dfcols71]

if the asrock z77 extreme 4 was such a problematic board it would t be selling every where in the world ,beside in newegg it no 3 in topselling z77 motherboard.in many other places it out off stock,I hardly see anyone buying the asus z77 mpro-despite almost similar prices

 

[Saumil996]

@sumonpathak
Since you feel so passionately about it i think it would be fair to give you a chance to support your statement for llc with any article, incident etc.

u do know that the scenario has changed with sandy bridge?.

please enlighten!

its kinda point less when someone sets off his mind to a particular inference and refuses to look beyond it...

i assure you i can and will(if you give me a reasonable explanation) look beyond my initial inference.

Anyway how is the Deepcool frostwin compared to CM Hyper 212+ ?? it seems to have a push-pull design like the noctua d14



and my cousin (who is also building the same pc at same time) wants a 24-incher rather than a 22, he is willing to pay around 10k for it. I would like your suggestions (btw is it okay to post this particular query here?)

 

[dfcols71]

i dont think you can get 24 led monitor for 10000/-may be some cheaper brands-zebronics,circle

 

[sumonpathak]

@sumonpathak
Since you feel so passionately about it i think it would be fair to give you a chance to support your statement for llc with any article, incident etc.

do me a favor......don't try to compare a obsolete architecture with current gen...
the voltage toleration level was diff with 45NM and 65NM..they could take a nuclear attack...but with sandy bridge the toleration level is pretty low...so good llc control is essential.
Its a pity nobody decided to write about it...
and ppl are still quoting an old article.

 

[Saumil996]

do me a favor......don't try to compare a obsolete architecture with current gen...
the voltage toleration level was diff with 45NM and 65NM..they could take a nuclear attack...but with sandy bridge the toleration level is pretty low...so good llc control is essential.
Its a pity nobody decided to write about it...
and ppl are still quoting an old article.

so you are basically saying that vdroop is bad for sandy bridge(32nm) and we should buy a mobo with good llc which reduces vdroop?


isn't there a good 24-inch for even 12k? (he is willing to go that high)

 

[sumonpathak]

so you are basically saying that vdroop is bad for sandy bridge(32nm) and we should buy a mobo with good llc which reduces vdroop?

yes.
the voltage fluctuation is pretty bad for 32NM...

 

[dfcols71]

afaik even anandtech doesnt see much of problem with llc of asrock z77 exreme -4 motherboard
AnandTech - Intel Z77 Motherboard Review with Ivy Bridge - ASRock, ASUS, Gigabyte, and MSI

 

[Sainatarajan]

I5 2500K
Asrock Z77 Extreme 4
8 GB RAM
500 GB HDD
ASUS DVD ROM
SEASONIC S12 620W
CORSAIR CARBIDE 400R
Altec Lansing BXR1221
LOGITECH Combo or Microsoft Combo
DELL S2220L HD LED
Numeric 1KVA
HD 7850 2 GB

 

[d6bmg]

Anyway how is the Deepcool frostwin compared to CM Hyper 212+ ?? it seems to have a push-pull design like the noctua d14

From the design, Deepcool frostwin is obviously better choice than Hyper212 and it would be far more superior.

About motherboard: If you are willing to go with z77 extreme4 despite warning of sumon, well, its yours to decide. We are here only to suggest and final decision should be made by you.

 

[Omi]

CPU COOLER WITH 120MM BLACK FAN

I recommend this for a CPU cooler, there are two wires supplied with the fan, attach one without the resister and voila, Get cooling performance of a D14 for half the price.

 

[sumonpathak]

^^err???
do some research before commenting...D14 is better because of its cooling capacity.
Not for just two wires...

 

[Omi]

^^err???
do some research before commenting...D14 is better because of its cooling capacity.
Not for just two wires...

Of course I exactly know the difference between both.
D14 is way ahead in terms of quality and performance@low noise levels.
Its just that performance very near can be achieved by running the fan at higher speeds at a much much lower price. VFM product, I read many reviews.
D14 is another league all together so is its price.

Numbers here Performa @ 80% lock(normal cooling mode)
Even without the resistor removed(normal operation, it is very close to D14 in terms of cooling (its obviously nosier then D14)
Zalman 10X Performa review
Zalman CNPS10X Performa CPU Cooler Review | Hardware Secrets
*www.tweaktown.com/reviews/3199/zalman_cnps10x_performa_cpu_cooler/index6.html

Quote from Guru3d

So, overall we see really good performance, but if you want to it can be extyremely good ... There is a second trick, you can remove the resistor wire from the fan cabling, increasing fan RPM and thus performance. By doing so you'll notice the 10X Performa leveling down to the same performance level as say a Noctua NH-D14. But in all fairness, noise levels will rise. Your choice of course, but choices are always good to have.

I don't want to misguide anybody, just suggesting a VFM product.

 

[Saumil996]

Of course I exactly know the difference between both.
D14 is way ahead in terms of quality and performance@low noise levels.
Its just that performance very near can be achieved by running the fan at higher speeds at a much much lower price. VFM product, I read many reviews.
D14 is another league all together so is its price.

Numbers here Performa @ 80% lock(normal cooling mode)
Even without the resistor removed(normal operation, it is very close to D14 in terms of cooling (its obviously nosier then D14)
Zalman 10X Performa review
Zalman CNPS10X Performa CPU Cooler Review | Hardware Secrets
Zalman CNPS10X Performa CPU Cooler - Test System &Testing Results :: TweakTown USA Edition

Quote from Guru3d


I don't want to misguide anybody, just suggesting a VFM product.

thanks for the input but i am not that keen to mess around with wires as it is the first pc i am building(i don't have the confidence) i would like to keep it simple.

 

[Omi]

thanks for the input but i am not that keen to mess around with wires as it is the first pc i am building(i don't have the confidence) i would like to keep it simple.

Its your choice

But if you have read the reviews you will find out that even without touching anything its a great cooler at that price. Performing in the Segment of high end coolers at much lower price.

And that wire part is not at all messy, its very easy,
You can keep it for later when you want to OC seriously. As the Guru3d review says its always good to have options.