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Discussion in 'Cameras and camcorders' started by nac, Aug 14, 2012.

  1. raja manuel

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    I don't see the point in making cameras larger just to create the impression of capability. If the body is smaller, then I can put a pancake lens on it and have a very compact and portable solution. If I do need a large surface area to hold the camera, adding a grip would seem a better solution (which is done even with current DSLRs). It won't work for those who need extreme weather sealing, but the 1 DX crowd are unlikely to shift to mirrorless in the near future.

    Equally, I don't see the point in making the camera small just to prove a point. Both Sigma and Tamron CEOs have criticised Sony for compromising the lens mount size to make their mirrorless cameras small, making it very difficult (or even impossible) to make certain types of lenses.
     
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    I've been loving the idea of a small easy to carry light camera for some years now. My small camera bag easily houses the camera, a pancake lens, a manual 50mm lens and a gorillapod. This is an old minolta case that would normally house only the camera.

    The sony mount seems to keep getting new lenses so not sure what lenses it can't get. Plus the low flange to sensor distance make it amazing for using adapters.

    Do i miss having more buttons to fix certain things? Yes, but then i miss them a little less when i can carry my camera on every trip without worrying about the weight and space.

    Plus it's discreet and does not draw attention to itself, perfect
     
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    Next teaser is out
     
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    Yeah. I've been asked to be the 'official' photographer for all employee facing events at my workplace, and I've said no only because of the size of the DSLR. I travel by bus and laptop + lunch + DSLR is too much of a headache in a crowded bus.

    If I remember correctly, it was something to do with very high quality ultra wide angle lenses.

    But that is a problem that can be solved very easily. All you need is a USB-like port on the camera, and a grip that plugs into it which has all the buttons, knobs, wheels, joystics, etc. that you think you want. Remember, the Nokia Lumia (RIP) 1020 phone has such a grip 5 or more years ago! It can be done, it just hasn't been done yet. Mirrorless bodies offer a great opportunity to make highly modular cameras that you can customise.
     
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    Yup, i think touch screens are anyhow making these buttons redundant and with more AI (check out arsenel camera attachment if you haven't already) you'll have less need to take your eyes away from the scene.

    I've been loving all the rave reviews of the sony A7 Mark 3. It seems to be doing just everything right
     
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    Yesterday went to reliance digital for fridge but as usual went to camera department.. it had D750, 6DMK2, D7200, Sony A7II ,sony 6300, and some more mirrorless ...also the canon mirrorless.

    I was playing with D750 and was dreaming about one..it looks exactly same like my d7000 just bigger in size...as D750 is now very value for money at 65k used, i was even planning for one.
    I took all mirrorless in hand and loved the lightweight and usability, but then again same question comes to my mind...if I have to carry lens , flash, bag anyways whats the advantage of being light?
    If my lens itself is heavier then my cam, what purpose does it solve by mirrorless other then faster fps in burst.

    I can understand that Sony is way ahead in technology in mirrorless now...D750 being 4 yrs old will lag in technology side...but what about my soo many lenses..i may use the dx lenses in crop mode on fx cameras.
     
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    Regarding the D750. I would suggest being very careful before you invest in this camera if you plan to do flash work with it. There is a very well known issue with many people reporting that no 3rd party flash works properly (or at all) with this camera because of a hotshoe issue. There are several other issue with this camera as well, with this is one that I still see complaints about.

    The advantage of having a small and light camera is that it can be small and light in some situations, while the big heavy camera will always be big and heavy. It is the element of choice that is missing in the larger cameras. You can make a small and light camera large and heavy by adding a grip, but what can you do to the large and heavy camera that will make it more compact? There are other advantages to mirrorless cameras, such as a lot more information and analytics in the viewfinder itself, and removable (which means changeable) viewfinders. We may not see these utilised much currently, but it is only a matter of time that these start making a difference to photography.

    Are you really OK with using your existing lenses on crop mode with a full frame?

    I haven't followed the MILC vs. DSLR battle in great detail, but whenever I see MILCs being used it is largely for portrait/glamour/weddings/landscape. I admit these are very popular and profitable, but these aren't torture tests of autofocus performance. Can Sony's on-chip phase detect autofocus match, or beat, the dedicated phase detect system in your D7000, or a D500, in demanding applications like sports, and particularly for birds-in-flight photography which is very important for you? Do you know any Sony photographers with whom you can do a side-by-side comparison of capturing birds-in-flight with same time, same location, same light, same cranky bird? It will be interesting to see how that pans out. Remember, in a Sony camera the parts of the sensor that are dedicated to phase detect do not capture image information (unlike Canon's DPAF). There are some demosaicing algorithms that you cannot use with a Sony camera because they reveal the dead pixels. Sony's cameras have also been criticised by astrophotographers for their 'star-eating' algorithms that destroy a lot of detail even in the raw file, so everything isn't perfect on the Sony side.

    Since you don't have a pressing need to upgrade your camera, why not wait to see what Nikon actually does in the mirrorless field, and how well it does it, before thinking of a switch? We should have a lot more information by the end of this month when the new body with the Z mount is finally unveiled.
     
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    Hmm didnt nikon fix the d750 even after 4 years...Then there are great deals on D800e and D810 ...actually I was checking d750 because it had wifi which d800 didnt.
    Regarding the dx lenses...I will slowly phase out the dx lenses from my kitty if I get full frame...right now I have basically 17-50, 35mm and 55-200 dx which I will have to replace ...I have 50mm, 300mm and mybe 90mm works fine on fx.

    I am not too much interested on Nikon's announcement because I wont be able to afford their new body nor new format lenses...neither i am much interested to use lens on adapters

    Thanks for the info on Sony mirrorless...Sony is like jack of all...but again I have may nikon mount lenses which I want to keep.
     
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    Let me be the sony fanboy for a moment

    Sony’s new super-fast cameras are winning over the pros

    I've been using the af on my brother's a6000 (apsc, 50k camera) with a Sony zoom lens to shoot birds, kites, lanterns etc. It's very very fast and accurate. I'm guessing the full frames are even better. Crop lenses leave a horrible vignette and cropping it means you are using the full frame like a crop sensor only. On the other side the kit lenses on the sony seem to get better and better, I've often found myself ditching my other lenses for the sheer flexibility of the kit lens. That would be a good place to start Sujoy till you replace your lenses

    Like this one was taken from a huge distance with almost no light. Still the lens got the focus right, while the cam used ISO3200 to get it right
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    Amlan starting with a new lens mount is economically bad decision for amateurs like me...I have 7 nikon lenses which covers from wide angle to tele ..in my kitty only a 70-200 2.8 (replacing 55-200 4-5.6 vr) is missing and then it will be ideally complete ;)

    This is same reason nikon has teased the mirrorless so guys like me dont jump to other companies.
    I was always a sony fan as a technology lover...but I felt before that sony is unnecessarily playing with market with alpha mount, mirrorless mount, transluscent ILC then lenses were not available much and slowly releasing. Now they have settled down and capturing market.
     
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    Don't keep your fingers crossed. Going by the rumours it's gonna be a different mount.
     
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    I have less hopes anyways...whatever they release it will be affordable after 4 years

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    @nac its as per sales in past 6 month after they release A7III since no other full frame is launched...but this also shows the wind is blowing towards mirrorless.
    If Nikon and canon does not action in time, they will become obselete like kodak.

    I see Nikon is launching Z series full frames with high end optics...and what about enthusiasts like us...Sony A7II is prices exactly near to D750.. We want a mirrorless around 1.2L which may fall in enthusiast bracket by next 3 years :D
     
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    Yeah, like they said it's a cherry picked number.

    And BTW, Nikon has released next teaser.
     
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    so nikon planning to announce it on 23rd August right?
     
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    Yeah, 23rd Aug.
     
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    I've been crazy impressed by the features on the new set of cams, canon, nikon, sony everyone. Eye focus, amazing low noise even at high ISO, very very good burst performance and crazy high dynamic range

    Plus 4k video, which my laptop can't even run properly
     
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    Thats great i am very interested to upgrade my d7000...saw some great used offer on d750, d800+ 24-70, a7r, 5dmk3. Etc...

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    I am not sure what he means exactly but check out the new teaser "Photographer" @ 34 sec

     

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