AMD shows off Phenom II overclocked to 6.3GHz

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Guys, fact remains. Deneb supports only 4 cores, while Nehalem supports 8. Isn't that a good enough reason why Deneb didn't even *touch* nehalem in some areas ?

AM3 version of Phenom II would be slightly faster than AM2+

The CPU would be same speed. But the real life performance will differ thanks to HyperTransport 3.0 and higher speed DDR3.

^Ah but thats the point...by the time the FX-280 is released the 32nm westmere will be released from intel and that will be the new performance standard so everyone will say the fx series is a flop...The point is intel is a generation ahead and currently theres nothing amd can do about it.

Exactly. AMD needs to release 32nm Bulldozers by christmas 2009 if they want to stay in the fight.
 
^^Obviously... and I am now looking for AM3 vs DDR1066 benchmarks. DDR2 1066MHz is supposed to be lower latency than DDR3 1066MHz.

Wonder what HT3.0 has in store.
 

amitash

Intel OCer
^it is lower latency and i dont think HT3.0 is going to be like PCI-e 2.0...it offers twice the bandwidth but there is no CPU to take advantage of it...IMHO your going to see only about 5-10% increase in performance.
 
Twice the bandwidth ? Then its definitely worth waiting for.

AMD has promised Motherboards with HT3.0 and SB710 below 100$ soon. I hope we see the same in India by january.
 

keith_j_snyder2

Rising ApocalypsE
Guys i guess u forgot that i7 940 is workstation processor. The main stream nehalem is yet to come (Core i5). Core i7 has to be expensive but Core i5 will be cheaper & will have almost same price as of Phenom II. And i m sure that when paired with a P55 or G53 board, it will be under same or rather less than Phenom II. But its a good thing that even Phenom II comes under 10K tag & it still goes head to head with Core i7!
 

amitash

Intel OCer
^err head to head in what? you mean gaming? thats an obvious result...you might say even the older Q6600 goes head to head with i7 in gaming...the more multithreaded the game the better i7 is going to get example: gta4...in everything else phenom 2 not even close to i7.
 

damngoodman999

damnbadman666
any way i like corei7 cause intel 32nm will be launched after 2009 only

AMD 32nm is in the hands of IBM , were they don't know when the 32nm will be completed .

corei7 is better for OCing then phenom II , considering all terms X58 mobo should be lesser in few months later .

I always need the fastest computer everyone likes that too . corei7 is now the fastest in games as well as computing .

After 3 months i am sure going to upgrade to corei7 with HD 4850 crossfire
 

comp@ddict

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Guys i guess u forgot that i7 940 is workstation processor. The main stream nehalem is yet to come (Core i5). Core i7 has to be expensive but Core i5 will be cheaper & will have almost same price as of Phenom II. And i m sure that when paired with a P55 or G53 board, it will be under same or rather less than Phenom II. But its a good thing that even Phenom II comes under 10K tag & it still goes head to head with Core i7!
And even better, Corei5 specs are almost ditto to i7!!:p
 
There seems to be hardly any difference between Corei5 and Corei7. Differences include:

1. quickpath on mobo not needed by i5 since its built in, unlike i7.
2. Only Dual Channel DDR3.
3. Option of On-Die GPU.
4. Mostly limited to single (physical) CPU per system.
5. LESSER POWER CONSUPTION.

all these appear either trivial ommitions for the end user or actually benificial. BUT....

6. Core i5 has disabled OverClocking support

Which means Phenom II would directly compete Core i5 in this respect, AND,

7. Core i5 STILL has HyperThreading enabled

Which means at default settings Core i5 would be better than Phenom II.

But yeah, you need to remember that

8. Core i5 would be much much cheaper compared to Core i5 and most propably Phenom II

Again giving an edge to Core i5.

But yeah, all this reminds me of the old battles between Athlon X2 4600+ and PD E2160. But Intel and AMD appear to switch places here, as in, intel is cheaper, faster at defaults, better memory strength, lesser (here its ZERO) overclockability, etc.

I would most propably choose PII over Ci5 if Ci5 would have ABSOLUTELY NO WAY of overclocking.

But fact remains, X58 prices are crashing fast and slipping below X48 levels. I wouldn't be surprised if most people prefer buying Core i7 920 along with a cheap X58 board in the near future when companies milk X58 and reduce it down to simple bare essentials - enabling only simple two card crossfire and having just three DDR3 memory slots to reduce cost, and people wouldn't mind this as long as Core i7 920 hits 4GHz stable on stock or basic air cooling
 

amitash

Intel OCer
EDIT: @comp@ddict:no they are not...no tri-channel memory controller in core i5 which is going to reduce performance quite a bit...Also it cant be OCd as high as core i7.
 
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comp@ddict

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EDIT: @comp@ddict:no they are not...no tri-channel memory controller in core i5 which is going to reduce performance quite a bit...Also it cant be OCd as high as core i7.

Core i5

TDP ~ 95W
Who cares of Triple Channel, I've see it in action, and Akshay Kumar is better(hehe, I mean it gives barely a difference in performance except in those non-significant tests)
 

amitash

Intel OCer
^at 2.12Ghz core i7 is barely better than core i5 i agree...but if theres no OCing then theres no point.
 

comp@ddict

EXIT: DATA Junkyard
2.21 GHz ins the lowest modeland it beats a 3.4GHz Core 2Duo at that speed,so I guess that is a win in itself for Corei5. As of OCing, I bet due to lower TDP and smaller die size, there will be higher OC potential or atleast a higher % increament in performance.
 

x3060

A LOTR fan
well that's odd that they have opted such a product line, concerning the fact that users now take O.C as default.
 

amitash

Intel OCer
2.21 GHz ins the lowest modeland it beats a 3.4GHz Core 2Duo at that speed,so I guess that is a win in itself for Corei5. As of OCing, I bet due to lower TDP and smaller die size, there will be higher OC potential or atleast a higher % increament in performance.

Providing OCing is enabled even then the i5s cannot compare to i7 OCing...purely because the 2.1Ghz model came with a BCLK of 133*16 multiplier...multipler cannot be changed so that means that even if you hit 200 BCLK (Which is very difficult and requires high voltages...max BCLK ever hit on x58 is 215 i think) it will still give you only 3.2Ghz...more realistically people will be looking at something like 170BCLK at which you get 2.7Ghz...the core i7 920 with 170BCLK and intel turno boost gives 3.5Ghz
 
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