AMD Bulldozer News and Discussion

[rajatGod512]

Re: PC Buying Guide 2011- Q4

amd fx 8150 is released and it's not even close to core i5 2500k regarding performance and power consumption

 

[Cilus]

But by that time, the Sandy Bridge-E might be out... If this happens & this is true, AMD will drown...

Megamind, you're not getting the point. To compete against Sandybridge-E processors, AMD has already declared their roadmap for the new gen of processors, based on the Bulldozer architecture. So if OS and software applications can address the issues of optimized use of the architecture, all the upcoming CPUs from AMD will be benefited, not just the current series of Bulldozer FX processors.

 

[max_snyper]

@cilus ^^Are you planning to buy this proccy when the prices settle?
Im sure to buy one if and only if prices are not exactly pitched as same as current sandybridge line-up..!

 

[MegaMind]

Megamind, you're not getting the point. To compete against Sandybridge-E processors, AMD has already declared their roadmap for the new gen of processors, based on the Bulldozer architecture. So if OS and software applications can address the issues of optimized use of the architecture, all the upcoming CPUs from AMD will be benefited, not just the current series of Bulldozer FX processors.

You are talking about the piledriver right? If so the link i gave says,

Spoiler

AMD Piledriver 10% faster than Bulldozer

And yes, if its SB-E vs piledriver, AMD might win...
But if its Ivy bridge vs piledriver, AMD might disappoint again...

 

[max_snyper]

Keep in mind that Intel is ahead of AMD for the last 4~5 years...SO if Intel launches a proccy then to counter it correctly Amd needs 1 generation advances..
Then too Sandybridge-E is not the direct competitor to Piledriver....Ivybridge is the head on competition......
AMD IS NOT COMPETING PILEDRIVER WITH SANDYBRIDGE-E...COZ ITS NEW ARCHITECHTURE (LGA2011) MORE OF A ENTHUSIAST END SYSTEM. period.........

 

[Cilus]

amd fx 8150 is released and it's not even close to core i5 2500k regarding performance and power consumption

Performance wise in most cases and in multi-threaded applications FX 8150 is better than 2500K and stands between i5 2500K and i7 2600K. But power consumption wise it is no match for Sandybridge.

Thanks for clarifying MAx_snyper. No I'm not planning to buy one right now as I'm having 1090T overclocked @ 3.6 GHz. Gaming performance wise I don't think I need an immegiate upgrade.

MEgamind, I am not talking about any particular processor based on the module based design. All I am saying that if OS amd software are optimized to take benefit of the Module based design then all the module based CPus are gonna get some performance boost.
For example in Windows 8 preview direver, FX 8150 is performing 4% to 10% better than when used in Windows 7 and we can surely expect more performance increase with the final release of Windows 8 with the same processor.

So there is hope for AMD ?? Man I want to go for AMD but the performance is keeping me at bay.

 

[rajatGod512]

Re: PC Buying Guide 2011- Q4

Performance wise in most cases and in multi-threaded applications FX 8150 is better than 2500K and stands between i5 2500K and i7 2600K. But power consumption wise it is no match for Sandybridge.

well anandtech benchmark shows that i5 2500k and amd fx 8150 are mostly head to head in many performance benchmark (fx wins some , i5 wins some).
But Gaming wise sandy bridge blows it out of the water .

Also i think it is priced at 280 USD and i5 is at 220 (atleast on newegg and some other websites )

So i think i5 2500k is the way to go for now .

AnandTech - Bench - CPU

 

[sukesh1090]

As programs are not optimised to use and undestand the new features and futristic design of BD this is the reason why there is drastic decrease in single
Thread performance but in multi thread BD is already a winner.also amd has shown what actually turbo boost is,where there is a huge difference in intel sb turbo boost and amd BD turbo boost.and in oc also BD is a huge success.if the programs get optimised and understand bd then BD will go head to head with SB and some times even perform better.thats what i told in my earlier post that if we compare sb and bd after a year from today then bd will win over sb by a good margin.but the only problem remains is power lets see what global foundry and amd will do about it in future.

For me it looks like bd is a bit early to release now because its architecture design is a bit away in future,though amd is ready for this change but others are not.they still need some to develop os and programs for BD's design.
@anand,
Brother i will suggest u to wait for some more time to see if there is any revisions for bd and new optimised programs.as you have already waited for a long time for this,why don't just wait a bit more.

 

[gameranand]

^^ but how long ?? 2-3 months ??

 

[Cilus]

^^ Nicely explained Sukesh. I think you deserve a Rep for all your contribution. So Rep+.
gameranand, I am with Sukesh' suggestion to wait a little for some revisions of the Bulldozer to be released and applications and OS to become little optimized for Bulldozer.
I don't think we need to wait until windows 8 release as optimization can be provided to Windows 7 with some patch update (just like Multi-core CPU support patch for Windows XP) and optimization packs for the commonly used software too.

 

[MegaMind]

@Cilus, i got it..

 

[Tech_Wiz]

Guess going for Phenom X4 was a good decision as its satisfying my needs and BullDozer has no Bulls in it.

 

[sukesh1090]

@cilus,
thank yo very much brother.
@tech_wiz,
thats what we are discussing here from yesterday that this is too early to comment anything about the performance of BD.just read the review of anandtech and toms and you can see that BD is winning in the multithread performance but lagging in single thread.so wait for some time to justify your decision of buying 955.after optimization i am sure that there will be huge increase in single thread and a bit increase in multithread performance.after that you may cry along with me that you could have waited for a bit long.

 

[vaibhav23]

As much as I could understand after the revision, the performance would increase and the revision could take 2-3 months.Would it be worth buying this processor at the present scenario as I have waited almost an year for this processor to be launched

 

[sukesh1090]

nope it is not at all advised to buy this processor right now as its power consumption is at its peak.if you can manage with your electricity bill then you can think about buying.but still i suggest you to wait a bit long buddy.

 

[Tech_Wiz]

@cilus,
thank yo very much brother.
@tech_wiz,
thats what we are discussing here from yesterday that this is too early to comment anything about the performance of BD.just read the review of anandtech and toms and you can see that BD is winning in the multithread performance but lagging in single thread.so wait for some time to justify your decision of buying 955.after optimization i am sure that there will be huge increase in single thread and a bit increase in multithread performance.after that you may cry along with me that you could have waited for a bit long.

No we wont mate. As long as its satisfies our needs who needs an upgrade.

and its weird to see Win 7 not optimized for a Proceesor...I thought this data is shared with the OS people in advance so that they can release that stuff in Regular Updates before product gets launched.

But as a AMD Fan I seriously hope that AMD gets a good boost like 15-20% minimum with that glitch resolved.

 

[sukesh1090]

^^buddy how can Microsoft know about BD when they were releasing win 7.i guess even AMD wouldn't have known completely about BD at that time.the optimization we can see only from now onwards after its release.i hope that after optimization and all BD will at least see a 30-35% increase in its single thread performance and that much is must for it to fight against the SB.and a 10% increase in multithread is more than enough.right now i don't think even it needs any boost in its multithread performance.
think you want to make an ornament or something for which you need silver.and you go to shop and find that you are getting silver and gold at the same rate.which one you will buy????gold isn't it?though silver is more than enough for you but still why would you leave opportunity to get something better at the same price.

 

[gameranand]

So the revised version can be expected to be released with HD 7xxx series GPU as they will be released in Q1 2012 right ??

 

[sukesh1090]

i can't say anything about the date.but still guess that it may take 3-4 months.i can understand your condition brother,you have already waited for a long time.you want to go with amd processor but its performance is holding you back.

 

[gameranand]

Exactly you just stole words from my mouth. If I am purchasing a PC for 100+K then I don't want to regret later that damn I should have waited for a few months.