PC Buying Guide - July 2011

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thetechfreak

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rsen said:
1) Extra RAM makes a huge difference.
A better proccesor makes lots of difference, atleast more than RAM.

rsen said:
I simply fail to understand why even the mid end upwards range of PC configs listed include very very very very high end graphics cards and CPUs which are almost never even used to their fullest capacity whereas 2 basic things (ram & ssd) are almost completely ignored.
The games you have mentioned are very unoptimised. They need lots of processing power as well as a good GPU.

rsen said:
Neither do I understand why almost all the gaming PC's listed have i7 processors when i7's are almost totally useless for any game that is out right now.
People who have high budget have it coz they can spend more. The configs are keeping in mind the budget and full utilisation of the budget.

A 60 GB SSD costs as much as Rs.7200.
You are saying SSD are so good. Suppose I want a 500 GB storage. I will have to buy around 9 SSD's and half the money of a config will be spend just on Hard-disks. IS it that usefull or good? Hence they are given as optional upgrades.
60 GB SSD can be used to install only 6 Games the size of Crysis 2(which is quite less for most people)
95% of people who will even spend Rs.100,000 on their PC will go for a 1 TB HDD which costs Rs.2700 approx rather than they only get a spending triple that on a HDD that has 15 times less storage.
 

rsen

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Our review of the GeForce GTX 560 Ti highlights that it is, on average, 33 per cent faster than a GeForce GTX 460 1GB card . The large performance variation intimates that the two GPUs are a class or two apart - a fact that's true when looking at the relative performance of two reference-clocked cards.
Of course. But the point is this.
1) Do people really run games at 2560x1600 ? As far as I can tell most configs in the list don't even have monitors that support that kind of resolution.
2) Anything above 35-40 fps is unnoticeable to the human eye. So isn't 45 fps and 75fps almost the same thing ?

My point is that something like an SSD drive or more RAM would give a huge and very noticeable performance gain. Like, for instance, 75% or more faster load times in, say Starcraft 2; or an equivalent current gen game.

Why not spend money on things that will improve the performance of current gen games (like ram and ssd) instead of dumping so much money on bleeding edge graphics cards/CPUs when the current gen barely even utilizes cards like the GTX460.

There are a lot of computer review sites in the USA that even now list cards like the gtx460 but have 8gb ram and an SSD card for mid range gaming setups.

The games you have mentioned are very unoptimised. They need lots of processing power as well as a good GPU.
They are all very mainstream and very highly rated games, none of them are unoptimized ......
but yea i agree they all require a good cpu and gpu.

People who have high budget have it coz they can spend more. The configs are keeping in mind the budget and full utilisation of the budget.
yet it's possible to spend on the wrong thing that either cannot be utilized to it's fullest capacity or isn't even used. Much like how the i7 is completely useless for gaming.

A 60 GB SSD costs as much as Rs.7200.
You are saying SSD are so good. Suppose I want a 500 GB storage. I will have to buy around 9 SSD's and half the money of a config will be spend just on Hard-disks. IS it that usefull or good? Hence they are given as optional upgrades.
60 GB SSD can be used to install only 6 Games the size of Crysis 2(which is quite less for most people)
95% of people who will even spend Rs.100,000 on their PC will go for a 1 TB HDD which costs Rs.2700 approx rather than they only get a spending triple that on a HDD that has 15 times less storage.
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You are missing the point of using an SSD for gaming. Games have typically huge load times (SC2, for example). An SSD greatly speeds this up, as does having a sizeable amount of RAM.
 

thetechfreak

Legend Never Ends
rsen said:
There are a lot of computer review sites in the USA that even now list cards like the gtx460 but have 8gb ram and an SSD card for mid range gaming setups.
USA and India are different. Here people mostly use 32 bit OS's. Actually most dont know differnce between 32 bit OS and 64 bit OS.

rsen said:
1) Do people really run games at 2560x1600 ? As far as I can tell most configs in the list don't even have monitors that support that kind of resolution.
When you turn up settings like AA to 16x and turn everything else up in DX11, you reach a different level in DX11(btw my PC doesnt support DX11 and my PC still has a single core proccy :lol: )

rsen said:
My point is that something like an SSD drive or more RAM would give a huge and very noticeable performance gain. Like, for instance, 75% or more faster load times in, say Starcraft 2; or an equivalent current gen game.
I'd say a proccesor makes more difference.
My PC exceeds all minimun requirements of GTA IV but when I play it at low settings even(as my proccy is weak) the game hardly crosses 20 FPS.

The unoptimised games are very hardware taxing. We all have heard many cases where the original Crysis game had reportedly fried a processor or a Graphic card due to turning up a settings despite that PC meeting the minimum requirements.

rsen said:
2) Anything above 35-40 fps is unnoticeable to the human eye. So isn't 45 fps and 75fps almost the same thing ?
Well, there are man experienced gamers and other people who can see many difference
 

Skud

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A better proccesor makes lots of difference, atleast more than RAM.

The games you have mentioned are very unoptimised. They need lots of processing power as well as a good GPU.

People who have high budget have it coz they can spend more. The configs are keeping in mind the budget and full utilisation of the budget.

A 60 GB SSD costs as much as Rs.7200.
You are saying SSD are so good. Suppose I want a 500 GB storage. I will have to buy around 9 SSD's and half the money of a config will be spend just on Hard-disks. IS it that usefull or good? Hence they are given as optional upgrades.
60 GB SSD can be used to install only 6 Games the size of Crysis 2(which is quite less for most people)
95% of people who will even spend Rs.100,000 on their PC will go for a 1 TB HDD which costs Rs.2700 approx rather than they only get a spending triple that on a HDD that has 15 times less storage.


Buddy you get it wrong. Say you want 1tb storage and you are spending 1 lac for your PC, then go for 1tb HDD @ 2.7k or whatever the price, and add a SSD for boot drive and programs and adjust that amount to one notch lower spec CPU or GPU. Ultimately, our screen resolution are stuck to 19x10 up to 27" and very few people choose 30" monitor even though they are spending lakhs for their PC. For that resolution the 570 instead of 580 won't give much difference as far as gameplay is concerned. Besides you can always overclock for some free performance. But the use of SSD will definitely make a difference to your everyday computing. Remember, HDDs are still the slowest part of our systems and they can't be overclocked either for some free performance.
 
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Sarath

iDota
Even I think that an SSD should be added in a 1L config.
If you look at the windows experience index the proc shows 7.5[i5 3ghz] gfx 7.9(max HD 6970) and the HDD 5.4[1TB 7200rpm]. If I had a li'l bit more money I would have definitely got myself a 40GB boot drive atleast. My rig came upto 92k. Had not a penny more so no more additions were made.
 

tkin

Back to school!!
Even I think that an SSD should be added in a 1L config.
If you look at the windows experience index the proc shows 7.5[i5 3ghz] gfx 7.9(max HD 6970) and the HDD 5.4[1TB 7200rpm]. If I had a li'l bit more money I would have definitely got myself a 40GB boot drive atleast. My rig came upto 92k. Had not a penny more so no more additions were made.
You can use a 20GB drive for Intel Smart Response(Z68).
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
@ jaskanwar

Buddy can we recommend the phenom 2 840 instead of athlon 2 x4 635. I know the former is a rebadged athlon but sports higher clock speeds. Besides the phenom monicker will attract lots of buyers. Its faster than the x4 635.

So what say?
 

Skud

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Its the fastest Athlon II x4 actually. If it is priced below 5k, I think its a recommended buy.
 
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Jaskanwar Singh

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Of course. But the point is this.
1) Do people really run games at 2560x1600 ? As far as I can tell most configs in the list don't even have monitors that support that kind of resolution.
2) Anything above 35-40 fps is unnoticeable to the human eye. So isn't 45 fps and 75fps almost the same thing ?

remember high end gpus not only give more fps but also allow to crank up settings, aa etc without loss of much fps.

moreover they are futureproof.

@ jaskanwar

Buddy can we recommend the phenom 2 840 instead of athlon 2 x4 635. I know the former is a rebadged athlon but sports higher clock speeds. Besides the phenom monicker will attract lots of buyers. Its faster than the x4 635.

So what say?

ok batman, i will try my best to fit them in respective budgets.
 

virajkin

Journeyman
HEre is the lynx-india link for Sapphire HD 6770. It costs 6.8K+5% vat = 7.14K + Shipping.

Thanks buddy
So its my final decision I will go for Sapphire HD 6770 1GB GDDR5
Pls note that my PSU is Gigabyte Superb 460W.
More recommendations are welcomed as i will be buying the card after 6 june so
 

Cilus

laborare est orare
Actually they are getting main stream slowly. In Kolkata, they are available. But let me check some other forums to validate their availability.

Another thing to support Xigmatek's superb overloading handle capability. Read the Tom'sHardware Testing here. The 400W PSU actually handled load of 674W, which is more than 60% higher than their quoted rating. In fact the reviewers actually thought that it is probably a re-branded 500/550W unit.
 

icefrog

Broken In
Hi,

My system configuration is Pentium IV 3 GHz and 512 MB RAM with built in graphics card.
If i could add some more RAM and a new graphics card will i be able to play new games ?
If so kindly tell me the amount of RAM and the Graphics card model that i could add to my configuration.

Thanks in advance ...
 

Skud

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What motherboard are you using? Upgrading of RAM & graphics card depends on that?
 

MegaMind

Human Spambot
Hi,

My system configuration is Pentium IV 3 GHz and 512 MB RAM with built in graphics card.
If i could add some more RAM and a new graphics card will i be able to play new games ?
If so kindly tell me the amount of RAM and the Graphics card model that i could add to my configuration.

Thanks in advance ...

Actually ur proccy cannot handle any latest games, so i'm afraid u hav to change the proccy too...:-(
 

topgear

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Re: PC Buying Guide - May 2011

Hi,

My system configuration is Pentium IV 3 GHz and 512 MB RAM with built in graphics card.
If i could add some more RAM and a new graphics card will i be able to play new games ?
If so kindly tell me the amount of RAM and the Graphics card model that i could add to my configuration.

Thanks in advance ...

Tell us your budget for gfx card, mobo model and monitor type and size and what PSU you have ( model and brand ).

If you have a mobo which only supports DDR ( not DDR2 or DDR3 ) Ram then it's time for get a new cpu+mobo+ddr3 ram first.
 
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Jaskanwar Singh

Jaskanwar Singh

Aspiring Novelist
guys check out upto 50k first -

Sub 20k (Best for office work,movies,downloading)

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Athlon II x3 440|3200
Motherboard |Asus M4A78LT-M LE|2600
RAM |G.Skill F3-10666CL9S-2GBNQ|1100
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12/ WDC 500GB Blue|1700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |FSP saga II 350W|1400
Case |Zebronics Bijli (w/o psu)|1000
Monitor |Dell IN2020M|6200
Mouse |Basic Optical|100
Keyboard |TVS Champ|200
UPS |Microtek 600VA|1200
Speakers |Basic Speakers|400
| Total |20000


Sub 30k (Casual gaming,multi media)

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Athlon II x3 440|3200
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H|4000
RAM |G.Skill F3-10666CL9S-2GBNQ|1100
Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6750|6000
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12/ WDC 500GB Blue|1700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |FSP Saga II 500W|2000
Case |Zebronics Bijli (w/o psu)|1000
Monitor |DELL IN2020M|6200
Mouse |Logitech 3 Button Scroll|300
Keyboard |Logitech KB-200|400
UPS |Intex 1KVA|1800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1000
| Total |30200

Optional upgrades for 30k -
Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Phenom II x4 840|4800
Graphic Card |MSI/Sapphire HD6770|7000


Sub 35k (Mid level gaming,multi media)

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Phenom II x4 840|4800
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H|4000
RAM |G.Skill F3-10666CL9S-2GBNQ|1100
Graphic Card |Zotac GTX460 768MB|8400
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12/ WDC 500GB Blue|1700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |FSP Saga II 500W|2000
Case |CM Elite 310|1500
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|7200
Mouse |Logitech 3 Button Scroll|300
Keyboard |Logitech KB-200|400
UPS |Intex 1KVA|1800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1000
| Total |35200


Sub 40k (Mid level gaming,multi media)

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Phenom II x4 955BE|5900
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H|4000
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws F3-10666CL9S-4GBRL|2200
Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6850|9500
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12/ WDC 500GB Blue|1700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair GS600|4000
Case |NZXT GAMMA|2000
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|7200
Mouse |Logitech 3 Button Scroll|300
Keyboard |Logitech KB-200|400
UPS |Intex 1KVA|1800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1000
| Total |40900

Optional upgrades for 40k -
Component | Make | Price Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6870|11200


Sub 50k (Mid range gaming)

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2400|9300
Motherboard |Intel DH67BL-B3|5500
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL|2600
Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6870|11200
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12/ WDC 500GB Blue|1700
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |Corsair GS600|4000
Case |NZXT GAMMA|2000
Monitor |Benq G2220HD|7200
Mouse and Keyboard |Razer Cyclosa Gaming Bundle|2000
Mouse Pad |Razer Goliathus|400
UPS |APC 800VA|2800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1000
| Total |50200

Optional upgrades for 50k -
Component | Make | Price Headset |Steelseries 3H|1500
 
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