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[clear_lot]

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^ nice compliation there!

so AFTER OC, gtx 4601gb performs better than OC hd6850.
+1 for Nvidia!!

one more observation is that AT STOCK SPEEDS, 6850 is faster than 460 in these benches.

its only AFTER A BIG OC that gtx 460 surpasses 6850 in all benches.
that means fermi gains a lot by OC.

CONCLUSION: so if you are not OC'ing the card, buy a 6850.
if you are, then buy a gtx460.

 

[ssb1551]

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Could any one please tell which is the best graphics card around Rs.6000 and also a PSU which can handle it say at around Rs.2000. My specifications are:
Asus M2N MX
AMD 62 X2 3800+
3 GB RAM
WD 500 GB HDD + Seagate 160 GB HDD
LG DVD RW.

Like topgear said you have 2 options : 9800GT & 5670.
But 9800GT can get hot a lot & also would need a very good PSU(read nothing less than 450/500).
But 5670 is cooler than 9800 & can also work with 400W.

 

[damngoodman999]

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You have two options : A 9800GT 5.6k ( from MSI/Zotac ) + FSp Saga II 500W PSu @ 2.3k

The gfx card is based on DX10 though but iut's for if you need raw performance and CUDA. It's 10-15% faster

Other option is Sapphire HD5670 1GB GDDR5 DX11 Gfx card+FSP SAGA II 500W - Recommended

BTW, if you have trouble finding FSP PSU you can consider Gigabyte Superb 460W @ 2.1k orCorsiar CX400W @ 2.6k.



err ... Cat 9.1 was released on jan 2009 - so how come you have used it on 2008. I think you have made some mistake/typo.

BTW, now the debate : HD6850 OCed vs. GTX 460 Oced :

HD6850 Oced :

Core Clock: 923MHz
Shader Clock: 923MHz
Memory Clock: 4792 MHz

GTX 460 OCed :

Core Clock: 949 MHz
Shader Clock: 1876 MHz
Memory Clock: 4300 MHz

3DMark Vantage GPU Score :

GTX 460 OC : 17907
HD 6850 OC : 15096

MW2 2560*1600 resolution :

HD 6850 OC : 84 FPS
GTX 460 OC : 76 FPS

MW2 1920*1200 resolution :

HD 6850 OC : 114 FPS
GTX 460 OC : 122 FPS


BFBC2 2560*1600 resolution :

HD 6850 OC : 30 FPS
GTX 460 OC : 29 FPS

BFBC2 1920*1200 resolution :

HD 6850 OC : 46 FPS
GTX 460 OC : 47 FPS

Sources : 1 2

How could u remember exact date of release of drivers , its been 2 years hmmm its really a typo , i thought its DEC 2008

Thats Ok
Gr8 - So HD 6850 temperature should be over 100'DTemp

With MSI Cyclone GTX 460 many did 900Mhz with 80Deg Max load temp , Nvidia has Physx & cuda to take advantage

 

[Tachyon1986]

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Hey guys, some guys on another forum advised me not to get a HD6870 if I wasn't planning on crossfiring it in the future , get a HD5870 they said. What are your thoughts on this? The HD5870 is superior to the 6870 except at Tesselation , that much I know.
My budget is 14k-15k.

Also , I heard that a Corsair VX450W can safely go upto 500W. Is this true?

EDIT: Looks like the HD5870 is way beyond my current budget. Guess I'll stick with the 6870

 

[Cilus]

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Very good comparison Topgear. However, 1 thing i need to ask, if the Ocing of both the cards in such a high degree can be done without a special cooling inside the cabinet or just default cooler is enough for it.

And HD 6850 has been released to compete against the GTX 460 768MB version, not with the 1 GB version, but still it can beat the 1 GB version in non Oced state and can compete neck to neck in Oced state. The performance difference in game is not at all anything high, its very very marginal. And look at the price point too, even in India, its 1k cheaper than the Non-Oced version of GTX 460 and in US market available @ $189 compared to standard $215 price of GTX 460 1 GB.
So hats of to AMD ATI.

And may be CUDA is a advantage to be more matured than ATI APP but PhysX, I really doubt that. Have a look at the review in Toms hardware regarding it. Using a middle range card for both game and PhysX will really cripple the performance.

 

[ssb1551]

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Hey guys, some guys on another forum advised me not to get a HD6870 if I wasn't planning on crossfiring it in the future , get a HD5870 they said. What are your thoughts on this? The HD5870 is superior to the 6870 except at Tesselation , that much I know.
My budget is 14k-15k.

Also , I heard that a Corsair VX450W can safely go upto 500W. Is this true?

EDIT: Looks like the HD5870 is way beyond my current budget. Guess I'll stick with the 6870

Nvidia doesn't have any offerings within 15k that beats 6870 in gaming.GTX470 costs around 17k.But temperatures go high while using 470.Stick with 6870.Its the best at around 15k.
I have seen quite a few people recommend VX450 for configs with 6870 in it.So I guess its OK.

 

[Chimu]

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Like topgear said you have 2 options : 9800GT & 5670.
But 9800GT can get hot a lot & also would need a very good PSU(read nothing less than 450/500).
But 5670 is cooler than 9800 & can also work with 400W.

Thanks topgear and ssb1551 for your advice but i saw Asus customer care forum website has got lot of issues with ATI cards and my mobo with no replies so Nvidia is the only option. Also are there any good DX11 gpu's in 6K range, i can stretch my budget by 500-600Rs also gpu heating is an issue as i have no a.c. Please also do suggest a PSU which can handle my configuration.
Thank you.

 

[ssb1551]

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Asus aint the only brand manufacturing ATI cards.Sapphire & MSI are very good.
Infact look for Sapphire's 512MB or 1GB of 5670.1GB would come for somewhere around 5.4k & 512MB for around 4.5k.
If you wanna look at nVidia way then 9800GT for around 6k is your best option.But it heats up a lot & also needs a very good PSU.

 

[ithehappy]

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I am using a 9800GT for over an year now, but what's heating up issue? Mine goes to 70-71 C when I play constantly for 6-7 hours, Is that too much heating up? Don't know, but one thing I don't like at all is- When playing it sounds a lot, I mean the Fan spins a lot and makes some noise.

 

[Tachyon1986]

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Nvidia doesn't have any offerings within 15k that beats 6870 in gaming.GTX470 costs around 17k.But temperatures go high while using 470.Stick with 6870.Its the best at around 15k.
I have seen quite a few people recommend VX450 for configs with 6870 in it.So I guess its OK.

Okay , thanks boss!

 

[damngoodman999]

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Hey guys, some guys on another forum advised me not to get a HD6870 if I wasn't planning on crossfiring it in the future , get a HD5870 they said. What are your thoughts on this? The HD5870 is superior to the 6870 except at Tesselation , that much I know.
My budget is 14k-15k.

Also , I heard that a Corsair VX450W can safely go upto 500W. Is this true?

EDIT: Looks like the HD5870 is way beyond my current budget. Guess I'll stick with the 6870

No problem with HD 6870 , dont worry with in 15K budget HD 6870 is best BET no problems found yet !

only 10% slower than HD 5870 ,even HD 6870 is latest ATI card which has many display ports than HD 5870 also eyefinity with all HD 6870

 

[coderunknown]

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@ithehappy, the temperature is fine but not the fan sound. clean the card well. if possible open up the card, clean the old & hardened TIM. apply a fresh layer. than you can lower fan speed without affecting temperature.

How could u remember exact date of release of drivers , its been 2 years hmmm its really a typo , i thought its DEC 2008

well Cat 9.1 was released 30th jan 2009.

Title: ATI Catalyst Drivers 9.1 XP
Filename: 9-1_xp32_dd_ccc_wdm_enu_74230.exe
File size: 37.45MB (39,270,328 bytes)
Requirements: Windows XP / 2003
Languages: en-US
License: Freeware
Date added: January 30, 2009
Author: ATI Technologies Inc

link: Download ATI Catalyst Drivers 9.1 XP - Technical Details - FileHippo.com

topgear gave you a shocker

 

[clear_lot]

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Okay , thanks boss!

you MIGHT also consider zotac gtx470 @ 15.4k at SMC.
it is >= hd6870.
though with higher power consumption and heating.
also has Physx and CUDA, which might be useful to you.
do you OC?
if yes, then gtx470 will get OC higher than 6870 and gain performance more per MHZ increased.

 

[damngoodman999]

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well Cat 9.1 was released 30th jan 2009.



link: Download ATI Catalyst Drivers 9.1 XP - Technical Details - FileHippo.com

topgear gave you a shocker

Ya Y a Ya ya ... I got it !

 

[Tachyon1986]

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you MIGHT also consider zotac gtx470 @ 15.4k at SMC.
it is >= hd6870.
though with higher power consumption and heating.
also has Physx and CUDA, which might be useful to you.
do you OC?
if yes, then gtx470 will get OC higher than 6870 and gain performance more per MHZ increased.

I considered that card, but I'm not sure if my Corsair VX450W will be able to support that, thanks to the increased power consumption. You can check my specs in my signature. Let me know if the VX450W can power that card and my current hardware.

And no, I have never overclocked any card.

 

[ithehappy]

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@ithehappy, the temperature is fine but not the fan sound. clean the card well. if possible open up the card, clean the old & hardened TIM. apply a fresh layer. than you can lower fan speed without affecting temperature.

First of all the fan doesn't make any sound when I am not playing. It runs pretty cool @50-52 C and no sound, but when I start gaming gradually the sound increases, as high the graphic comes the fan sound increases. My card doesn't have much dust coz I clean it with Vacuum Cleaner. And frankly I am not an expert do the steps you mentioned. Thanks for your input anyway.

Regards.

 

[clear_lot]

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I considered that card, but I'm not sure if my Corsair VX450W will be able to support that, thanks to the increased power consumption. You can check my specs in my signature. Let me know if the VX450W can power that card and my current hardware.

And no, I have never overclocked any card.

considering that you have OC'ed your processor, Oc'ing the card is MUCH simpler.
and more importantly, OC'ing the card will give you MUCH MORE benefit than an OC processor in games.
also, as you have a quadcore at 3ghz, cpu wont be a bottleneck in ANY modern game.
i dont think that vx450 will be able to handle your cpu/system and the gtx470. not so sure if it can handle the 6870 as well.

 

[damngoodman999]

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I considered that card, but I'm not sure if my Corsair VX450W will be able to support that, thanks to the increased power consumption. You can check my specs in my signature. Let me know if the VX450W can power that card and my current hardware.

And no, I have never overclocked any card.

HD 6870 takes less power u have option for HD 6850 , GTX 460 1GB or HD 6870

My pick wud be HD 6870 it ll work , VX 450 max output is 550W

 

[mohiuddin]

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You have two options : A 9800GT 5.6k ( from MSI/Zotac ) + FSp Saga II 500W PSu @ 2.3k

The gfx card is based on DX10 though but iut's for if you need raw performance and CUDA. It's 10-15% faster

Other option is Sapphire HD5670 1GB GDDR5 DX11 Gfx card+FSP SAGA II 500W - Recommended

BTW, if you have trouble finding FSP PSU you can consider Gigabyte Superb 460W @ 2.1k orCorsiar CX400W @ 2.6k.



err ... Cat 9.1 was released on jan 2009 - so how come you have used it on 2008. I think you have made some mistake/typo.

BTW, now the debate : HD6850 OCed vs. GTX 460 Oced :

HD6850 Oced :

Core Clock: 923MHz
Shader Clock: 923MHz
Memory Clock: 4792 MHz

GTX 460 OCed :

Core Clock: 949 MHz
Shader Clock: 1876 MHz
Memory Clock: 4300 MHz

3DMark Vantage GPU Score :

GTX 460 OC : 17907
HD 6850 OC : 15096

MW2 2560*1600 resolution :

HD 6850 OC : 84 FPS
GTX 460 OC : 76 FPS

MW2 1920*1200 resolution :

HD 6850 OC : 114 FPS
GTX 460 OC : 122 FPS


BFBC2 2560*1600 resolution :

HD 6850 OC : 30 FPS
GTX 460 OC : 29 FPS

BFBC2 1920*1200 resolution :

HD 6850 OC : 46 FPS
GTX 460 OC : 47 FPS

Sources : 1 2

it is a decent oc comparison.but 6850 can work proportionatly upto 1010mhz.so d resultz u mentioned might change abit.

HD 6870 takes less power u have option for HD 6850 , GTX 460 1GB or HD 6870

My pick wud be HD 6870 it ll work , VX 450 max output is 550W

a vx450 will be enough..but considering future pc upgrage he should opt 4 a500w psu ..may be delta or asus or crosair or xfx...but 12v rails' current is more important than just total watt.btw,vx 450's max output 550w,doesn't mean that it can provide continously 550w.if it has OPP circuit than it will shutdown when it exceeds its full capacity...

 

[Chimu]

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How is GTS450 compared to 9800GT in terms of performance. At what price is it being sold in Mumbai.