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PCWORM
UBERGEEK
@Krazyfrog...
yes we made unbiased predictions of SE overtaking nokia which can be considered as dreams according 2 u....but this dosent mean SE wouldnt be able to overtake nokia anyway...take examples of the INTEL and AMD war..or the xbox360 and ps3 war! ppl often speculated that ps3 wouldnt be able to outsell xbox anyday, but the situation changed just at the start of this year with PS3 recording max market shares....!
yes we made unbiased predictions of SE overtaking nokia which can be considered as dreams according 2 u....but this dosent mean SE wouldnt be able to overtake nokia anyway...take examples of the INTEL and AMD war..or the xbox360 and ps3 war! ppl often speculated that ps3 wouldnt be able to outsell xbox anyday, but the situation changed just at the start of this year with PS3 recording max market shares....!
dreamcatcher
Rockin g33k
arre..SE overtaking nokia is too far fetched..the console wars started about a year back....look at the xbox and ps2 now...xbox doesnt come near the ps2 in terms of sales..
sony was merged to ericsson in the year 2001..and nokia has been dominating the market frm time infinity...mayb in a couple of year SE..with its present marketing strategy will beat samsung..but no way is it go9ng to come anywhere near nokia in many years to come...unless...
SE+MOTO..
sony was merged to ericsson in the year 2001..and nokia has been dominating the market frm time infinity...mayb in a couple of year SE..with its present marketing strategy will beat samsung..but no way is it go9ng to come anywhere near nokia in many years to come...unless...
SE+MOTO..
krazzy
Techtree Reviewer
Neither Intel nor PS3 were too far behind their rivals. Hence for them overtaking wasn't that difficult. But if you compare SE and Nokia's market share, you have to be a complete lunatic to even assume that SE will come close to Nokia's market share, leave alone surpass it. Heck its not even close to that of Samsung's. At the rate at which they're growing, Samsung just might surpass Nokia in the next two years, considering Nokia has absolute crap handsets in its line-up then (which is very unlikely), but SE, no chance. Sorry to burst your bubble mate, but it just ain't happening.
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naveen_reloaded
!! RecuZant By Birth !!
krzy ... let me give u a eg...
when i joined my college ... SE: noikia ratio among my friends were like 1:20 or even more...
now after 4 years... now it has come to nearly 1:4-5
wht would u say ???
even i see the change thru out all parts of my state...
my friends who didnt have a phone bought first phone as SE ... simply coz they think and its the best phone for the price...
i am not saying nokia is going down or some thing like tha...
wht i am saying is SE is rapidly EATING nokia`s fare share of market...
and that too in a mere time period of say 4-5 years...
when i joined my college ... SE: noikia ratio among my friends were like 1:20 or even more...
now after 4 years... now it has come to nearly 1:4-5
wht would u say ???
even i see the change thru out all parts of my state...
my friends who didnt have a phone bought first phone as SE ... simply coz they think and its the best phone for the price...
i am not saying nokia is going down or some thing like tha...
wht i am saying is SE is rapidly EATING nokia`s fare share of market...
and that too in a mere time period of say 4-5 years...
dreamcatcher
Rockin g33k
@krazy-ARE U OUT OF UR MIND?????? :O
if u think that samsung can beat nokia in terms of sales...let me tell u..if u look at the sales in the 4th quarter of 2007 SE beat samsung hands down..and now with SE in a collaboration with several north american providers..its more likely tht by 2010 SE wil overtake samsung...with the x1 and the much rumoured psp phone to come next...SE is the next big thing..Nokia's share may go down to a certain xtent..but it will still be leaders for years to come...
the competition is more between SE and samsung now...which the former shall win comprehensively
@pcworm-i never said its impossible..SE can surely beat nokia..but the difference as of now is too high...more than 30%..will take more than 7 years..mayb less if SE comes up with the bravia and psp handsets...
I wuld love to get hold of a WALKMAN+CYBERSHOT+BRAVIA+PSP all-in-one set..
if u think that samsung can beat nokia in terms of sales...let me tell u..if u look at the sales in the 4th quarter of 2007 SE beat samsung hands down..and now with SE in a collaboration with several north american providers..its more likely tht by 2010 SE wil overtake samsung...with the x1 and the much rumoured psp phone to come next...SE is the next big thing..Nokia's share may go down to a certain xtent..but it will still be leaders for years to come...
the competition is more between SE and samsung now...which the former shall win comprehensively
@pcworm-i never said its impossible..SE can surely beat nokia..but the difference as of now is too high...more than 30%..will take more than 7 years..mayb less if SE comes up with the bravia and psp handsets...
I wuld love to get hold of a WALKMAN+CYBERSHOT+BRAVIA+PSP all-in-one set..
desiibond
Bond, Desi Bond!
FYI, For Asia, India has 6.4% of share in terms of mobile phone sales.
Nokia has a very strong hold in Asia and Europe. Sony Ericsson cannot even touch Nokia in Europe. That strong Nokia is in there and also in South East Asia.
To be more specific: people prefer Nokia N-series over SE's high end phones. People prefer Nokia's E series over SE's business class phones (SE has less that 5 models for business class).
Nokia has more number of models that come for less than $50.
Only area where SE has strong hold is Music phones and Camera phones.
Nokia now have strong contenders in XpressMusic series and in N-Series to thrash SE's phones.
I am pretty sure they will soon release series of phones that compete with SE's cybershot series.
Nokia has 19 models that cost less than 5k.
Sony Ericsson has 10 models that cost less than 5k.
Nokia has 17 models that cost between 5k and 10k
SE has 10 models that cost between 5k and 10k
Nokia has 16 models between 10k and 15k
SE has 11 models between 10k and 15k
Nokia has 6 models between 15k and 20k
SE has 7 models between 15k and 20k
NOkia has 7 models above 20k
SE has 2 models above 20k.
You see, it's the range of products that mkae the difference. Nokia has 2x number of models below 10k. And we all know that this is the segment where majority of phones are sold.
krazzy
Techtree Reviewer
@amd, I'm not saying Samsung will beat Nokia. I'm saying Samsung has more chances of beating Nokia in terms of market share than does SE. I think that much is obvious when one looks at the figures given on the previous page of the thread.
Naveen you do have to realise that there are people outside your college as well. Actually college going students probably constitute the biggest audience for the Swedish company. And thats kinda obvious with the youthful models SE has launched in the last couple of years (also using Hritik as a brand ambassador which IMO was a fabulous idea). But people from other age groups aren't quite as attracted to SE as they're to Nokia. And these people form the bulk of all the mobile buyers. Also SE's strength is the mid-priced handsets, the ones from 8-18k range ones. Whereas Nokia has all three bases covered, whether they are low-end, mid-end or the high-end. They have something for everyone. Even if you have just 2k with you and you want to buy a phone, you can consider a Nokia, because they do make such low-end phones, but there will be no SE to fit your budget. Same story if you have 40k. You just can't beat someone who has such strong hold over the market and the buyer's minds. Nokia is invincible.
Anyways lets stop this discussion right now. We're going way too off topic.
Naveen you do have to realise that there are people outside your college as well. Actually college going students probably constitute the biggest audience for the Swedish company. And thats kinda obvious with the youthful models SE has launched in the last couple of years (also using Hritik as a brand ambassador which IMO was a fabulous idea). But people from other age groups aren't quite as attracted to SE as they're to Nokia. And these people form the bulk of all the mobile buyers. Also SE's strength is the mid-priced handsets, the ones from 8-18k range ones. Whereas Nokia has all three bases covered, whether they are low-end, mid-end or the high-end. They have something for everyone. Even if you have just 2k with you and you want to buy a phone, you can consider a Nokia, because they do make such low-end phones, but there will be no SE to fit your budget. Same story if you have 40k. You just can't beat someone who has such strong hold over the market and the buyer's minds. Nokia is invincible.
Anyways lets stop this discussion right now. We're going way too off topic.
naveen_reloaded
!! RecuZant By Birth !!
we are moving away from topic... better we talk about the topic
shashank_re
In the zone
You people forgot the main factor why Nokia is on top...SYMBIAN OS!
It will be quite foolish to buy a 15k+ mobile in which we cannot install any software exept the crappy Java softwares.
It will be quite foolish to buy a 15k+ mobile in which we cannot install any software exept the crappy Java softwares.
naveen_reloaded
!! RecuZant By Birth !!
shashank .. ur second line is true....
dreamcatcher
Rockin g33k
here we go again...the only software that keeps the symbian os running is the smartmovie player for playing avi files..nowadays you can even view pdf and office files in java phones..
so i disagree to this statement..and the symbian os can be unstable at times tht reuslts in very poor user xperience..i have been a symbian user fr 6 months..5700..but me being an extensive user who loves to multitask..found the os quite slow in going throught the activities..the first 3 motnhs went fine..but then the phone starting showing lags and i had to reset the whole thing to actually bring the system back to normal..and nokia hardly brings out any firmware for its low end models which is pathetic...
so i disagree to this statement..and the symbian os can be unstable at times tht reuslts in very poor user xperience..i have been a symbian user fr 6 months..5700..but me being an extensive user who loves to multitask..found the os quite slow in going throught the activities..the first 3 motnhs went fine..but then the phone starting showing lags and i had to reset the whole thing to actually bring the system back to normal..and nokia hardly brings out any firmware for its low end models which is pathetic...
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