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If arya can run windows on his mac , then i can run Mac on my PC , SImplepraka123 said:We all know who all guys illegally installed MAC OS X on some pc
If arya can run windows on his mac , then i can run Mac on my PC , SImplepraka123 said:We all know who all guys illegally installed MAC OS X on some pc
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So, if the hardware people hate this inflicted pain, why do we have it? Two reasons, MS and the hardware vendors themselves abdicating their responsibilities to you the consumer. MS is evil, the rest of them sold you out for their profits. Ironically, they all lost, as did we the users.
The root of this crappy DRM infection is Microsoft. It is the driving force here. This has nothing to do with protecting content, as we keep pointing out, there has never been a single thing that has had a DRM infection applied that didn't end up cracked on the net in hours. DRM is about walled gardens and control.
He who controls the DRM infection controls the market. DRM is about preventing you from doing anything with the devices without paying the gatekeeper a fee. This is what MS wants, nothing less than a slice of everything watched, listened to or discussed from now on. DRM prevents others from playing there, thanks to the DMCA and other anti-consumer laws.
Make no mistake, MS is pushing the DRM malware as hard as it can so it can rake in money hand over fist with no competition. It is really good at lock-in, in fact, the firm based its entire business model on harming the user so they have to comply and spend more.
Want more proof? If you look at the Windows MeII (aka Vista) logo requirements, specifically the graphics portion or the list (Spreadsheet section I, lines 452 and on), you will see that they list something very curious. The first thing they list is that the graphics is DRM infected, this is mandatory. The next requirement is that it meets the functionality standards, like 453. So, MS is saying in no uncertain terms that DRM infections are more important than the device actually working.
What a wonderful world we live in, in the real rational world, roadkill does not have to pay for the privilege or agree to a crushing Windows EULA before they get their brains splattered on the grill of a coked out record company exec's Porsche logo.
So, if Microsoft is the root of all this evil, why blame the hardware folks? Because they are all spineless cowards. Intel sold you out. ATI sold you out. Nvidia sold you out. AMD sold you out. Every other hardware vendor that has a Windows Vista malware sticker on their machines sold you out. This is a badge of compliance, just that you are being forced to, not that the stuff will work with Vista.
These corporate worms all stood in line and assured their own pain, and then heaped that pain and cost on you. None of them had the balls to stand up and do anything about it, they are dumb sheep, and MS knows this. They use logo compliance as a weapon, and everyone falls into line.
What is the result? Media centers suck, all of them. They are unwieldy, unworkable, unfriendly, anti-consumer piles of garbage that sit on store shelves rotting. People don't buy media center PCs because they want a DRM infection that turns their $5K flat panel into a black screen, or if they are really lucky, a downrezzed blur, they buy them in spite of it. This is usually done out of ignorance, something that seems to be prevalent in abundance among the masses. All the companies prey on this.
So, you have an evil mastermind herding spineless sheep. You suffer and pay more. Media center PCs are a dead category because of DRM infections, a promising new tech squashed in the name of greed and control. Lets chrome one and put it beside a mini-disc player with a DAT as a backdrop. Garnish with Audio DVDs, Blu-Rays and HD-DVDs as needed.
What good did DRM do here? All the things that DRM infections have tried to protect are still cracked, AACS patches are cracked before the new discs have started to be pressed, and the game goes on. The content mafiaa and MS have lost every single skirmish in the war.
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Not exactly , my dad has an iMac(at Office) so in short i'm only using my licensed copy of Macpraka123 said:wow!piracy jindabaad?eh
abbey.....DRM yahaan nahi hei?to yashrajfilms kya kar raha hei? they got DRMed songs launched in India along with dear old M$.bheje mein aaya ke?
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There was some Slashdot buzz earlier this week about Microsoft Windows Media Center users suddenly facing restrictions forbidding playback of recorded analog cable TV content. Was DRM smuggled along with an "update" into unsuspecting users' machines?
In fact, Windows Media Center has always obeyed CGMS-A, a DRM system that TV stations can use.
Tech creators are free to build DVRs and other devices that ignore CGMS-A signals and create restriction-free recordings, but Microsoft opted to kowtow to content providers and infect Media Centers with the DRM anyway.
o, if the hardware people hate this inflicted pain, why do we have it? Two reasons, MS and the hardware vendors themselves abdicating their responsibilities to you the consumer. MS is evil, the rest of them sold you out for their profits. Ironically, they all lost, as did we the users.
The root of this crappy DRM infection is Microsoft.
...and according to which orders of RIAA & MPAA was Microsoft being forbidden to sell their OS until they included DRM in it?gx_saurav said:It is RIAA & MPAA who are government bodies, whose order Microsoft must follow if they want to do business in USA.
...and what law would that come under?MPAA & RIAA can sue MS billions for not supporting DRM in Windows,
...and according to which orders of RIAA & MPAA was Microsoft being forbidden to sell their OS until they included DRM in it?
People are already doing their TV recordings without any DRM or Vista-MCE. DMCA didn't force Microsoft to include DRM...it was their "choice" not a necessity! Microsoft could have easily released Vista without DRM and none of the clauses in DMCA could have stopped them. Stop lying!gx_saurav said:According to the Digital Millenium Copyright act, if Microsoft wants to support TV recording in there OS, then they must follow the rules imposed by RIAA & MPAA which forbids any such recording unless the user pays a license fees or unless he plays only on his single PC.
Microsoft had the power (nearly 90% desktop market) and they could have refused to include DRM in their OS. This would have caused severe pressure on Hollywood companies to rethink their strategy but Microsoft didn't want to do that. Rather they wanted to create a platform for these companies to exclusively support them and this was pure business...no compulsions!Same goes with Blue Ray & HD DVD. If MS wants to support these in there OS then they must follow the rules imposed by MPAA & RIAA by supporting AAAC in Vista with HDMI connection etc else these media won't play.
Talks gx_sauravGo do some research first.
Microsoft also released Vista with integrated search & they got sued. Stop lyingeddie said:People are already doing their TV recordings without any DRM or Vista-MCE. DMCA didn't force Microsoft to include DRM...it was their "choice" not a necessity! Microsoft could have easily released Vista without DRM and none of the clauses in DMCA could have stopped them. Stop lying!
Microsoft had the power (nearly 90% desktop market) and they could have refused to include DRM in their OS. This would have caused severe pressure on Hollywood companies to rethink their strategy but Microsoft didn't want to do that.
...and how is that comparable to this situation?gx_saurav said:Microsoft also released Vista with integrated search & they got sued. Stop lying
Yes and Microsoft even without DRM would not have broken ANY clause of DMCA while releasing Vista. They just needed to exclude recording capabilities and leave that to the user to use and decide. Just like how Windows XP was working. XP does not break any clause of DMCA and was selling fine but Microsoft is just trying to hide behind a pseudo support. It was their choice and not a compulsion...and we know why they took this choice.Any OS which is made in USA needs to comply with DMCA, else it won't be allowed to sale by the government.
Yes...as I said earlier...you are just better than Donald Trump in carrying out business. Don't act like a kid...oh wait...you are not better than one in any caseSorry, you don't know how business is done & according to u, Linux is the only possible way to do business.
Clearly you do not understand anything about Monopolistic Trade Practices. Time for you to read about them?Microsoft has the power, nearly 90% desktop market but still they are not allowed to integrate a media player in Windows Vista for Europe, still they are not allowed to integrate search feature in there OS, still they are not allowed to make the OS secure by locking the kernel from exterior intrusion.
The point is not who is bigger but the point is that what market would the Hollywood have been left without Microsoft? Imagine a company with 90% control of market telling the Hollywood that they don't want to include a Viral technology. Either Hollywood can ease up their stance or they can forget Microsoft Windows as a platform on which they can run their DVDs. Do you think Hollywood is stupid enough to go against such a consumer power? You really need some economics lessons!Microsoft is big. But Hollywood & RIAA is bigger. Wait, r u thinking that the total money that MS has is more then the money combined by adding the major recording labels .
An overgrown kid who lies throughout his day is commenting on my "real life analytical skills". How soothingEddie, I seriously doubt your real life analytical skills now.
The point is that IF (and that is a big IF) those companies would have walked away then where could have they sold their content? Imagine 90% of digital market going straight out of their hands! Just imagine the severity of this situation. Can any business afford to lose 90% of their market? Microsoft had a chance to take the high road but what they did was to just follow their old pathway...lock down the users as much as possible! There is no different aspect to it.sakumar79 said:-- and if Microsoft failed to accommodate them, "they were prepared to walk away from Vista" by withholding support for next-generation DVD formats and other high-value content
eddie said:...and how is that comparable to this situation? Yes and Microsoft even without DRM would not have broken ANY clause of DMCA while releasing Vista. They just needed to exclude recording capabilities and leave that to the user to use and decide. Just like how Windows XP was working. XP does not break any clause of DMCA and was selling fine but Microsoft is just trying to hide behind a pseudo support. It was their choice and not a compulsion...and we know why they took this choice.
The point is not who is bigger but the point is that what market would the Hollywood have been left without Microsoft? Imagine a company with 90% control of market telling the Hollywood that they don't want to include a Viral technology. Either Hollywood can ease up their stance or they can forget Microsoft Windows as a platform on which they can run their DVDs.
Do you think Hollywood is stupid enough to go against such a consumer power? You really need some economics lessons!
How soothing The point is that IF (and that is a big IF) those companies would have walked away then where could have they sold their content? Imagine 90% of digital market going straight out of their hands! Just imagine the severity of this situation. Can any business afford to lose 90% of their market?
...and they could have easily by-passed this choice. XP is still being used by people around the world for TV viewing and recording WITHOUT DRM! This was not a compulsion but a choice from Microsoft.gx_saurav said:If they are supporting this DRM of TV Channels then they must comply by the rules to let the user record the show, to see on his computer only ( .dvr-ms files)
Oh a person who spells government as governmant has a word like "pinnacle" in his vocabulary? InterestingThis is the pinnacle of stupidity,
A HA HA HA HA!!! RIAA is a government body???? OMFG!!! Dude...you are so stupid that laughing at you hurts my ribs. You idiot...RIAA is "NO GOVERNMENT BODY". It is just an association of recording companies. They have NO RIGHTS whatsoever to revoke anyone's license or grant one to someone. Get some sense and facts before arguing you stupid man!!!you are saying that a company should go against the Governmant body? Dude, MS will be closed the next day. US Government will take there license back.
Yes and you are just better than Donald TrumpOMG....you really don't know how business is done
So? How does that bring DRM into picture?If you want to use computer then you cannot make & distribute copies. This is the law.
Microsoft cannot go against the law.
YES!!! Now you came to the exact point!!! Absolutely where I wanted you to come from the very beginning! This is what was there in the mind of Microsoft all along. It was money that was talking for them...no RIAA threats...no closing threats...no nothing. It was entirely a CHOICE and not a compulsion...like what Microsoft and Microidiots want us to believe.If it doesn't work on there computer they will simply use the TV & DVD player in which case Microsoft & Windows will loose a compelling feature for there product to sale.
Oh wow!!! This is so great...if the companies didn't want their content to be played on Microsoft's platform then they should have been happy that Windows didn't play the DVDs. Why would they sue then? Why would they think about becoming hostile against Microsoft?Hollywood & RIAA don't want you ideally to play content on computer. They want u to play it on TV with DVD player.
eddie said:...and they could have easily by-passed this choice. XP is still being used by people around the world for TV viewing and recording WITHOUT DRM! This was not a compulsion but a choice from Microsoft.
Get some sense and facts before arguing you stupid man!!!
It was money that was talking for them...no RIAA threats...no closing threats...no nothing. It was entirely a CHOICE and not a compulsion...like what Microsoft and Microidiots want us to believe.
On one hand you say that Hollywood doesn't want their content to be played on PCs but on other one you say that they will sue Microsoft if it doesn't play?
The law! The law stops RIAA & MPAA from suing MS because there is no clause in DMCA that can "force" Microsoft to include DRM. Why Google went to DoJ? Go and read about the settlement and clauses that were signed by Microsoft in their antitrust case.gx_saurav said:Hey, who went to DoJ recently to sue MS. Google right? Whats stopping RIAA & MPAA to sue MS.
Exactly what I have been trying to hammer in your thick head all along!!! Microsoft had choices and no compulsions! They were not FORCED into their decision of including DRM but they chose to do it. Now do you get the point? Now would you get down your horse that Microsoft was "forced" to include DRM in Vista?Microsoft had 2 choices...
1) No DRM support resulting in the inability to play any TV content on MCE & loose market share of there business.
...and did I say that Hollywood will sue if HD DVD doesn't play? Are you blind? I just wrote what you said..."that hollywood doesn't WANT PCs to play DVDs". Now if Microsoft had not included DRM then Hollywood would have got what they desired...i.e. "No playback of HD DVDs on PCs". Now what inclination would Hollywood or RIAA have for suing Microsoft?I think you have some problem in reading text eddie. I never said Hollywood will sue MS if HD DVD doesn't play. If Vista has no support for AAAC then these disks won't play at all. Now, is it wrong to support a feature in an OS MS makes so that the consumer can play such content?
...and did I say that earning money is bad? Did I say that Microsoft should distribute their OS for free? I just said that Microsoft chose to include DRM...and was not forced to include it. Now you get it in your stupidity filled head?Every bussiness wants money. According to your logic Mandrive should be sued too cos they charge money for there Linux distribution which is available from other vendors for free.
DRM is crippling user privilages.in the name of fair use,these big monopoly is screwing its users follow DRM.it is like a root-kit in itself installed on ur vista.M$ wants to control u and they installed DRM on their own will not enforced by RIAA or whoever.as the article explains it pretty well.How can u trust M$?-there are enough anti-trust cases against them already.they can do whatever the way they want and US laws are accordingly changed!sakumar79 said:@praka123, reading your quoted text from the Inquirer website, I am not sure I get it... DRM is a mechanism proposed by MPAA/RIAA to protect their interests... Being in a nascent stage of implemention, it may be messy in Vista. But why are you blaming MS for it? And for that matter, why are you against it? DRM is adopted to reduce piracy of digital content... Its current implementation is messy and makes it difficult for the end user, but it is still in a nascent phase.
DRM is not the way to control piracy.who are they(M$,RIAA) to control us?it is upon us to not to promote piracy.but no way DRM can be justified.sakumar79 said:When you purchase a software (license), you are legally allowed (typically) to install and run it on one computer only at a time. Thats the law... If you install it on multiple computers, you are breaking the law... When you buy a casette or CD, you are allowed to use that CD or casette anywhere, but you are allowed to take a copy only for backup purposes and not for distribution. Similarly, DRM tries to make sure that when you purchase digital media, you have a restricted usage field. Due to the rampant piracy going on, the music/movie industry is forced to take severe steps that affect the end user... The user, having lived a life of luxury (in the context of being used to copy the digital media freely), is now forced to look for pirated means of luxury or live within restraint. While the main aim of DRM is to reduce the piracy and still allow users a certain degree of freedom, it is clear from current situation that DRM is not able to reduce piracy that much, while it is cramping the end user's freedom a lot... You need to give it time to figure out a balance.
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