**Urgent Help 4 - IVY Bridge Rig*

Brazen

Brazen

MasterZ of Yahooo !!!!!
Geeks Need very urgent help for IVY Bridge config, please also include atleast 1-2 VFM config with i5-3550 & i5-3570, please have the required information format below

1. What is the purpose of the computer?
Gaming and office work.
Games like CS: GO, BF3, Crysis 2 ,
GTA 5 , Max Payne 3 , Dirt 3 , FIFA and Pes 12 ,
NFS the Run , COD4 , Assasins Creed 3 .
Browsing web , Listening Music. Watching HD movies.
2.What is your overall budget?
Ans- 50-60K (Can be increased if required) But Would prefer VFM Rig (VFM doesn't mean the cheapest config for me)
3. Planning to overclock?
ANS - NO !
4. Which Operating System are you
planning to use?
Ans windows 7 ultimate & windows 8
5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans- 500 gb/(1 TB if VFM)
6. Do you want to buy a monitor?
Ans-No Having Benq G2222HDL.
7. Which components you DON'T want to
buy or which components you already have
and plan on reusing?
Ans: SMPS & Cabinet (Already have FSP SAGA 500W powering up CM ELITE 335, do i need to change it for Gen3 Mobo to get fit), Monitor (have benq G2222HDL)
8. When are you planning to buy the
system?
Ans: Right Now.........(Price is shooting up like hell :shock:)
9. Have you ever built a desktop before or
will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: I Will Do it
10. Where do you live? Are you buying
locally? Are you open to buying stuff from
online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans- Jaipur, Yeah would prefer online
11. Anything else which you would like to
say?
Ans: Want IVY Bridge based rig, Also would like to know about your view about i5-2500 v/s i5-3550 when both are available around 12500 INR
 
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Cilus

Cilus

laborare est orare
Buddy, please mention the budget in Indian rupee, not in allegory. We can't pick up the dual meaning of your words regarding your budget.
 
Sainatarajan

Sainatarajan

Wise Old Owl
For Rs 12.5K you can get I5 2500K.

I5 2500K @ 12.5K
Asrock Z77 Extreme4 @ 10K
GSKILL RIpjawsx 2x4 GB @ 3K
WD 500 GB HDD @ 4K
ASUS DVD ROM @ 1K
LOGITECH COMBO @ 0.6K
ALTEC BXR1221 @ 1.2K
NUMERIC 800VA UPS @ 2.8K
Zotac GTX 670 @ 27K
TOTAL @ 62K .
You Can Buy a cpu fan when you want to Overclock .
 
ico

ico

Super Moderator
Staff member
and yea, don't pick up Ivy Bridge. It has heating issues. Sandy Bridge runs cooler. Performance wise there is only 3% difference.
 
TheSloth

TheSloth

The Slowest One
Brazen said:
Want IVY Bridge based rig, Also would like to know about your view about i5-2500 v/s i5-3550 when both are available around 12500 INR
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i5-2500k is at 12.5k.don't go for without k series if buying 25xx. i5-3550 supports PCIE 3.0,otherwise you will not find much performance difference in games. And ico is right,its temperature increases too much under load. And on tomshardware.com,few people saying if you want to build gaming rig then i5-2500k is better.
[Solved] SHOULD I GET I5 355O OR 2500K OR 2600K - CPUs - CPU-Components

now i have a question for other TDF members that why 2500k is better than 3550 in gaming rig?
 
digit1191

digit1191

In the zone
what really ! it has heating issues? even in non 'k' CPUs ?

Sainatarajan said:
For Rs 12.5K you can get I5 2500K.

I5 2500K @ 12.5K
Asrock Z77 Extreme4 @ 10K
GSKILL RIpjawsx 2x4 GB @ 3K
WD 500 GB HDD @ 4K
ASUS DVD ROM @ 1K
LOGITECH COMBO @ 0.6K
ALTEC BXR1221 @ 1.2K
NUMERIC 800VA UPS @ 2.8K
Zotac GTX 670 @ 27K
TOTAL @ 62K .
You Can Buy a cpu fan when you want to Overclock .
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will a 500w power i5-2500k(overclocked) and a gtx 670 ? i think thats a risk
 
ico

ico

Super Moderator
Staff member
digit1191 said:
what really ! it has heating issues? even in non 'k' CPUs ?
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I'm running i5-2500k which is NOT overclocked. Running with CM Hyper 212 Evo.

Idles at 45 degrees. Load is at 63 degrees.

Ivy Bridge is going to be worse. Especially in North Indian summer and stock cooler.
 
ico

ico

Super Moderator
Staff member
Swapnil26sps said:
now i have a question for other TDF members that why 2500k is better than 3550 in gaming rig?
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Fact is, for gaming - no one needs anything more than i3-2100 and 955 BE.

Gaming will be dictated by the GPU. You only need a fast enough CPU to make sure there isn't any bottleneck.

SNB/IVB quad cores are MUCH more than fast enough. There is minimal performance difference between SNB and IVB - clock to clock. No one is better, no one is worse from the gaming performance perspective.

digit1191 said:
will a 500w power i5-2500k(overclocked) and a gtx 670 ? i think thats a risk
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Shall run fine if it's Seasonic S12II 520w.

Current generation of graphic cards - GTX 600 and HD 7000 series are highly power efficient. i5-2500k is also very power efficient. If it was a first generation i5/i7 or Phenom II Hexacore or Bulldozer Octacore being overclocked, then you'd need a bigger PSU.
 
digit1191

digit1191

In the zone
im getting i5-3450 + gigabyte ga-h77-ds3h + IceQ X 7850 . So wondering if i should get cpu cooler. but i read that IVB runs 20% hotter than SNB when it is OVERCLOCKED. so i guess there shouldnt be any issue in my case
 
TheSloth

TheSloth

The Slowest One
ico said:
Fact is, for gaming - no one needs anything more than i3-2100 and 955 BE.

Gaming will be dictated by the GPU. You only need a fast enough CPU to make sure there isn't any bottleneck.

SNB/IVB quad cores are MUCH more than fast enough. There is minimal performance difference between SNB and IVB - clock to clock. No one is better, no one is worse from the gaming performance perspective.
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@ico o....thank you.one more question,if you don't mind. What do you think for how many years 2500k should be enough,i mean future proof? Ivy bridge have PCIE 3.0. We have PCIE 3.0 supporting motherboard and GPU. So wouldn't ivy bridge be more future proof for gaming?
 
OP
Brazen

Brazen

MasterZ of Yahooo !!!!!
Thanks guys but I am not planning to overclock my system do you still think I shall go for a k series proccy. Also with 2500 shall I choose dh67cl mobo. What abt I7-2600 k, as I am not going to oc can I settle with a more vfm mobo without compromising on the CPU power. Like what will be the drawback of putting 2600k with DH67CL mobo ? Thanks for highlighting the heating issue as I am on stock cooling. What shall one will be missing if not opting for ivy bridge ?
 
ico

ico

Super Moderator
Staff member
Swapnil26sps said:
@ico o....thank you.one more question,if you don't mind. What do you think for how many years 2500k should be enough,i mean future proof? Ivy bridge have PCIE 3.0. We have PCIE 3.0 supporting motherboard and GPU. So wouldn't ivy bridge be more future proof for gaming?
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In terms of bandwidth,

PCIe 3.0 X16 has twice the bandwidth of PCIe 2.0 X16. PCIe 2.0 X6 has twice the bandwidth of PCIe 1.0 X16.

In simple words, PCIe 1.0 X16 = PCIe 2.0 X8 = PCIe 3.0 X4.

As for graphic cards, the current graphic cards are not even utilising PCIe 1.0 X16 fully. There is hardly a performance increase if you move from PCIe 1.0 X16 to PCIe 2.0 X16 or PCIe 2.0 X8 to PCIe 2.0 X16.

PCIe 1.1 came out like 6 years ago and still is sufficient.

Take this for example, performance of anything over PCIe 1.0 X16 = PCIe 2.0 X8 = PCIe 3.0 X4 is same.

*tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/images/perfrel_1920.gif

And even if you go down to PCIe 2.0 X4 or PCIe 1.0 X8, you don't see any worthwhile hit in Radeon HD 7970 which is a PCIe 3.0 card. GTX 680 does show a hit at PCIe 2.0 X4 or PCIe 1.0 X8.

Verdict: PCIe 3.0 = gimmick as of now and for the future as far as Grpahic cards and gaming are concerned.
 
TheSloth

TheSloth

The Slowest One
ico said:
In terms of bandwidth,

PCIe 3.0 X16 has twice the bandwidth of PCIe 2.0 X16. PCIe 2.0 X6 has twice the bandwidth of PCIe 1.0 X16.

In simple words, PCIe 1.0 X16 = PCIe 2.0 X8 = PCIe 3.0 X4.

As for graphic cards, the current graphic cards are not even utilising PCIe 1.0 X16 fully. There is hardly a performance increase if you move from PCIe 1.0 X16 to PCIe 2.0 X16 or PCIe 2.0 X8 to PCIe 2.0 X16.

PCIe 1.1 came out like 6 years ago and still is sufficient.

Take this for example, performance of anything over PCIe 1.0 X16 = PCIe 2.0 X8 = PCIe 3.0 X4 is same.

*tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/images/perfrel_1920.gif

And even if you go down to PCIe 2.0 X4 or PCIe 1.0 X8, you don't see any worthwhile hit in Radeon HD 7970 which is a PCIe 3.0 card. GTX 680 does show a hit at PCIe 2.0 X4 or PCIe 1.0 X8.

Verdict: PCIe 3.0 = gimmick as of now and for the future as far as Grpahic cards and gaming are concerned.
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@ico:thank you for answering. I understood everything what you said. As you said no GPU fast enough to utilize full strength of PCIe 1.0*16. But the ivy bridge will be using PCIe 3.0*16,that will be too fast..isn't it like future proof,as the games will become more heavy in graphics in future?
Please if you explain me this. I am a noob. I think i am making fool of myself by asking this but i don't know so i had to ask.
 
T

the_conqueror

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Swapnil26sps said:
@ico:thank you for answering. I understood everything what you said. As you said no GPU fast enough to utilize full strength of PCIe 1.0*16. But the ivy bridge will be using PCIe 3.0*16,that will be too fast..isn't it like future proof,as the games will become more heavy in graphics in future?
Please if you explain me this. I am a noob. I think i am making fool of myself by asking this but i don't know so i had to ask.
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Ivy bridge processors doesn't use PCIe 3.0, they have only the PCIe 3.0 x 16 controller embedded in it. Saturating the bandwidth of PCI 2.0 slot will take time, pretty long time. So spending extra money on that is useless.
 
OP
Brazen

Brazen

MasterZ of Yahooo !!!!!
So that's it then no ivy bridge, so shall I think about i7-2600/k, again which mobo ? Why not the DH67CL mobo ?

Also was able to find below deals just take a look

ASRock Z68 Pro3 Gen3 Motherboards @ Rs. 8,579.00

ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 Motherboards @ Rs. 8,750.00

ASRock Z77 Pro4 4 Ports of USB3.0 & SATA3.0 @ Rs. 8,800.00

Which one shall one go considering the minimal difference in pricing ?
 
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