PC Buying Guide - July 2011

topgear · Jul 3, 2011

Time to make a Liano Based config ;-)

AMD A8-3850 @ 7000 - most powerful desktop APU so far !
2x G-Skill 4GB Ram ( Model F3-16000CL9D-4GBRL 2000 Mhz ) @ 5000 -8GB DDR3 200 MHz - so cheap ! and is perfect for A75 mobos - will support 1866 Mhz speed easily.
Gigabyte GA-A75-D3H @ 7100 - Best match for for A8-3850 APU and those speedy rams ;-)

Seagate 500GB @ 7200.12 @1900
LG/Samsung 22X SATA DVD @900

FSP Saga II 500W @ 2000
Zebronics Bijli (w.o psu ) @ 1100
APC 600VA @ 1800

Samsung Myst Eco B2030 @ 6.1k

Logitech KB-200 @ 400
Gigabyte GM-M6800 @ 700

Logitech Z313 @ 1000

Total : 34600

vickybat · Jul 3, 2011

^^ At those prices, llano barely makes sense. I mean our 35k config posted by jas has a phenom 2 x4 840 with a radeon 6850.

I don't think the llano config can match that both in terms of cpu and gpu power. Incidently if you add a 6850 to the llano config, then the processor gpu has nothing to do and sits idle.

So it doesn't make that much sense at 14k for board + processor. Should have been within 10k imo.

Extreme Gamer · Jul 3, 2011

@vickybat:
In case you didnt know, 8x MSAA is as good as 16x CSAA, where the former is a lot more taxing than the latter.

They did not apply AMD's EDAA, which is a superior method of AA in terms of smoothing vs MSAA. the disadvantage of MSAA is that it applies on everything and can fuzz out textures at times(although not as much as supersampling)

Nvidia's CSAA was used in the test but AMDs EDAA test was not. I do not find that a fair comparision.

Also:

When we compare MSI N580GTX Lightning XE 3GB SLI to Radeon HD 6970 CFX the water becomes more murky. There is over a $500 difference between these two setups. For $500 more, you get 1GB more of RAM per GPU with the MSI Lightning XE video cards, versus the HD 6970 video cards. While this was a big improvement over standard GTX 580's, it is less of an improvement over two 6970 video cards, which already have a good amount of RAM on them. For the most part, these two setups will perform very similar, except in some specific cases depending on the game. [Only]In F.E.A.R. 3 there was quite a big advantage with the MSI N580GTX Lightning XE 3GB SLI.
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If you are dead set on a GTX 580 variant, it doesn't get any better than two MSI N580GTX Lightning XE 3GB video cards in SLI. The performance is the fastest out there, the gameplay experience is the best out there, and the extra RAM really proved itself. MSI has once again shown us that they can make GeForce GTX 580 SLI better. If you are not dead set on a GTX 580 however, and are open to other alternatives, ahem, AMD, well then you might find that saving $500 is a lot sweeter for a little sacrifice in performance.

MSI N580GTX Lightning XE 3GB SLI is tremendously expensive, but it is also a gaming enthusiast's dream.

Dont take me wrong. I am not trying to bash those cards. I am just trying to understand what you mean by those cards beating AMD in AA.

Only comparing AA numbers isnt enough. 8xMSAA (supersampling) is as good as 16x CSAA (Coverage sampling).

Image Quality - ATI vs. NVIDIA

How To Choose the Right Anti-Aliasing Mode for Your GPU - Tested

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I found this:

*www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/06/30/amd-a8-3850-review/1

vickybat · Jul 3, 2011

^^ Thanks for the info mate. Much appreciated. I'll look more into amd's EDAA.

Extreme Gamer · Jul 3, 2011

No problem, anything to help clear misconceptions

EDIT: EDAA is actually an option under AMD's CFAA. its called CFAA-Edge detect.

*enthusiast.hardocp.com/article/2008/07/20/amds_ati_radeon_hd_4800_series_custom_filtering_aa

Quite an old article, but the Control Centre has definitely changed a lot now.

Skud · Jul 3, 2011

@tkin: Thanks for the information.

Jaskanwar Singh · Jul 3, 2011

topgear said:
Time to make a Liano Based config

AMD A8-3850 @ 7000 - most powerful desktop APU so far !
2x G-Skill 4GB Ram ( Model F3-16000CL9D-4GBRL 2000 Mhz ) @ 5000 -8GB DDR3 200 MHz - so cheap ! and is perfect for A75 mobos - will support 1866 Mhz speed easily.
Gigabyte GA-A75-D3H @ 7100 - Best match for for A8-3850 APU and those speedy rams

Seagate 500GB @ 7200.12 @1900
LG/Samsung 22X SATA DVD @900

FSP Saga II 500W @ 2000
Zebronics Bijli (w.o psu ) @ 1100
APC 600VA @ 1800

Samsung Myst Eco B2030 @ 6.1k

Logitech KB-200 @ 400
Gigabyte GM-M6800 @ 700

Logitech Z313 @ 1000

Total : 34600

buddy i think we should not miss a 6670 for asymmetric crossfire :wink:

and TP i think we should not add those costliest mobo and APU. launch price is high.

so what you think of this -

what say?

i mentioned a 1600mhz 4gb single stick. users may oc it to run at 1866.

vickybat · Jul 4, 2011

^^ But jas that assymetric cf isn't scaling good now and sometimes the scaling is negative. Its still a lot lot slower than a 6850 that we have in our 35k config.

So going for this now doesn't make any sense. I think we should wait for prices to fall. Then it will be a good choice.

The a6 has less no. of shaders i guess around 320 to be precise.

topgear · Jul 4, 2011

^^ you're right - A Liano based config may not look like VFM right now but many branded PC builders are launching their liano based pc's and we should keep at-least one Liano based here just as a reference only.

If someone wants to get a liano based config or not is another question and it's better to leave the choice upon the customer - in here we can and should only suggest the best possible Liano based config so if someone wants to get a liano based config don't has to research too much and can get a good idea as how to start building his liano based rig.

@ Jas - config looks great - i just wanted to make the best possible Liano based config specially the cpu+mobo+ram combination ;-)

BTW, here's my correction for the Liano based rig :

Just include A8-3850 and those 2000 Mhz ram - so user can have the most powerful APU possible to play with and don't have to worry much about getting his ram to 1866 Mhz speed - 2000 Mhz should operate at 1866 Mhz without any bios setting modification and always has more headroom to OC the most powerful Liano APU.

So just by spending Rs. 1.7k more we can get the most powerful Lano based config right out of the box ;-)

Deleted member 118788 · Jul 4, 2011

If You will add discrete graphics solution in Liano rig then what is the use of integrated gpu ?

Jaskanwar Singh · Jul 4, 2011

vickybat said:
^^ But jas that assymetric cf isn't scaling good now and sometimes the scaling is negative. Its still a lot lot slower than a 6850 that we have in our 35k config.

So going for this now doesn't make any sense. I think we should wait for prices to fall. Then it will be a good choice.

The a6 has less no. of shaders i guess around 320 to be precise.

buddy asymmetric cfx performs very good in dx11 games. prob is with dx10/9 games. maybe amd will fix the issue.

and i am not going to replace that 35k config. we are just giving llano for reference.

Geek-With-Lens said:
If You will add discrete graphics solution in Liano rig then what is the use of integrated gpu ?

the thing is - Asymmetric Crossfire
AnandTech - The AMD A8-3850 Review: Llano on the Desktop

topgear said:
^^ you're right - A Liano based config may not look like VFM right now but many branded PC builders are launching their liano based pc's and we should keep at-least one Liano based here just as a reference only.

If someone wants to get a liano based config or not is another question and it's better to leave the choice upon the customer - in here we can and should only suggest the best possible Liano based config so if someone wants to get a liano based config don't has to research too much and can get a good idea as how to start building his liano based rig.

@ Jas - config looks great - i just wanted to make the best possible Liano based config specially the cpu+mobo+ram combination

BTW, here's my correction for the Liano based rig :

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD A8-3850|7000
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-A75M-S2V|5900
RAM |G.Skill Ripjaws F3-16000CL9D-4GBRL|2500
Graphic Card |MSI HD6670|5600
HDD |Seagate 500GB 7200.12|1900
DVD Writer |LG 22X SATA DVD|900
PSU |FSP Saga II 500W|2000
Case |Zebronics Bijli (w/o psu)|1000
Monitor |DELL IN2020M|6200
Keyboard & Mouse |Logitech MK100|500
UPS |Microtek 600VA|1200
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1000
Total |35700

Just include A8-3850 and those 2000 Mhz ram - so user can have the most powerful APU possible to play with and don't have to worry much about getting his ram to 1866 Mhz speed - 2000 Mhz should operate at 1866 Mhz without any bios setting modification and always has more headroom to OC the most powerful Liano APU.

So just by spending Rs. 1.7k more we can get the most powerful Lano based config right out of the box

very nice.

but no such ram model exists buddy.

vickybat · Jul 4, 2011

@ jas

Then its okay.

But this assymetric crossfire is still in its infancy. You cannot add a discrete card higher than 6670 without disabling the integrated gpu.

For example , adding a 6750 or higher card will render the igp useless and assymetric cf doesn't kick in here. Maybe future llano iterations will address this issue but not now.

So imo a 20-25 llano config makes sense and not higher than that. It will be a total waste of money because much better parts can be had at current llano's pricepoint. I don't think a user will be interested in desktop llano now unless the price falls.

In other words, llano is strictly a mainstream platform i.e good multimedia computing meant for the masses but is currently wrongly priced.

As topgear said, we can keep it as a reference and when price falls , we can edit it.

Deleted member 118788 · Jul 4, 2011

^^ same thinking.

Jaskanwar Singh · Jul 4, 2011

vickybat said:
But this assymetric crossfire is still in its infancy. You cannot add a discrete card higher than 6670 without disabling the integrated gpu.

thats why we put a 6670 only ;-)

vickybat · Jul 4, 2011

^^ Yes but still the combination is lot lot slower than a 6850 that we have in our 35k config. That's why i was differing.

But anyway you can put it for reference.

Btw buddy, you didn't update the 3d config with a 580 tf II as an option?

Tenida · Jul 4, 2011

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masterkd · Jul 4, 2011

^Reviews are good
is it available in india??

Tenida · Jul 4, 2011

^^I think no.Its newly launched product though.

Jaskanwar Singh · Jul 4, 2011

vickybat said:
^^ Yes but still the combination is lot lot slower than a 6850 that we have in our 35k config. That's why i was differing.

But anyway you can put it for reference.

Btw buddy, you didn't update the 3d config with a 580 tf II as an option?

i forgot. thanks for reminding. i will update it along with llano config.

Tenida said:
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thanks for info.

Skud · Jul 4, 2011

If priced properly, it would be a serious VFM contender.

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