New Gaming Rig Config with Sandy Bridge CPU for Rs.60,000

[vickybat]

Again, Vicky a misleading information... The performance is hit is not on AMD graphics card, they simply ignore the physX code and it is getting processed by CPU, resulting the crippled performance, it is not because of AMD's card.

And with every setting high, I think a person should at least target 30FPS, because 20 fps is not at all any playable rate.

Again you are starting an AMD-nVidia war, so lets not fight which is better. What I'm trying to say is that if you want PhysX then it is better to have a dedicated physX card..it does not matter what your main card is...AMD ATI or nVidia.
GTX 560 as main Card + 9800 GTS+ as PhysX card or HD 6870+ 9800GTS+ will offer you very good frame rate with everything set to high+PhysX on in 1080P resolution. always better that a single GTX 560.

Hey man calm down, i am not starting any war. I know amd cards ignore physx code very well and its processed by cpu.

But the point is performance hit is not that significant in nvidia's case as its with amd which is obvious. Let me give an example.

30 fps is not possible in metro 2033 for gtx 560 and 6950 at full hd at maximum aa, tess on, dx 11 very high and physx off. They both give 25 fps . Check HERE. Now enabling physx here, we will see a drop in both cards. The 560 will drop at best 5 fps thus giving 20fps. But 6950 will give around 5-10fps. Here i don't know the exact figures but a calculation from my end by seeing the crippling of my amd card and my friend's gtx 460. His frame don't drop below 5 with physx on in metro and he has to tone down the settings to get good framerates.

Now you know the reason why. Nvidia cards has the ability to process their proprietary code and will still be able to run the game at playable framerates. If we want better than 20fps in metro, then we can turn the settings to high from very high and it will give over 40fps with physx on. And its obvious that 6950 will be crippled. Its just a small scenario.

Now i completely agree with you that adding a second dedicated nvidia card will work wonders but more so in amd's case. As with nvidia, we just gain the lost framerates which is not that sigificant but more significant in amd's case. It will provide the lost framerates with physx on and won't give any additional rendering performance and at a cost of extra power and heat levels.

But if the primary card is nvidia, i don't recommend a physx only card as it will have extra power requirements and heat with not that much significant increment in performance. A person can always sli later and that setup will be more than capable of handling performance along with physx and the results will be significant at ultra high settings and fullhd.

So in a nutshell, a physx card will prove more valuable to a powerful amd card which gets crippled with physx on. But anything over gtx 560 can easily handle physx imo. Sure there will be a performance hit but not that significant that will render the game unplayable.

Cilus bro, throw your expert suggestion on my comment and correct me if i am wrong buddy.

 

[Jaskanwar Singh]

^^ I think he is not meant that AMD v NVIDIA . He just saying that if he had NVIDIA GPU now, he might play the game with PhysX enabled and of course it's completely valid and this doesn't mean that AMD is a loser and NVIDIA is a winner. Here, it favours NVIDIA, so he is going with that statement.

You must know which kinda statements leads to war.....

dont mind it. but when 2 people are arguing or discussing avoid coming in between. it irritates the person you point at. no offence but my suggestion

 

[furious_gamer]

dont mind it. but when 2 people are arguing or discussing avoid coming in between. it irritates the person you point at. no offence but my suggestion

I never came to know that if two people arguing in forum, other can't intrude or post anything. guess, thats the new rule here....

If you feel it annoying, simply leave it as the other's do. Simple.

 

[Cilus]

Vicky, if you switch on the PhysX then the frame drop will be far worse than your estimated 5 fps. GTX 480 is more powerful than GTX 560, it is on the same league of GTX 570. Check the performance drop below when a dedicated PhysX card has been used and when GTX 480 is doing gaming + PhysX calculation

*media.bestofmicro.com/7/S/260776/original/mafia2_01.png

The frame rate drop is 11 fps in case of GTX 480. However, I agree with your point that little bit lower setting than the highest setting will provide playable fps with a single GTX 560 with PhysX enabled. So OP can go with a single card for now and add another one later.

 

[vickybat]

^^ Thanks for this information cilus buddy. This is really worthwhile & will help buyers to make proper decisions.


But is it necessary to add such a powerful physx card? What if if we put a gt 240 or 9600gt instead of gtx 285? Will it provide similar results?

In the above test, one would go for a gtx 460 sli rather than a gtx 460 + 285 combo and the latter is more pricier and power hungry as well.

My friend's gtx 460 dropped around 5 fps in mirror's edge with physx on. Maybe mirror's edge is not that much tasking as mafia 2 and metro which is a card killer. So if he adds a gt 240 or 9600gt, will it help him significantly?

I can talk this matter over phone but this will help others here. So please reply buddy.

 

[furious_gamer]

Well, for GTX460 + 9600GT will be a good one. The performance boost will not be remarkable, but it's somehow better than having a single GPU or SLI.

I found these. Quite different results...

PNY GTX 460 and GTS 250 for Physx questions - NVIDIA Forums

PhysX GTS250 vs GTX460 1gb

*www.tomshardware.com/forum/296240-33-physx-help

 

[vickybat]

^^ Actually a 64 stream processor nvidia card is the bare minimum for a physx configuration. In the above case, gtx 460 + 9600gt is a good choice over a single gtx 460 but a gtx 460 sli will be much better.

It will give better frames than a single Gtx 460 or Gtx 460+9600gt with physx on. So for any nvidia card above a gtx 560, its not advised to go for a secondary physx card. Utter waste of money imo. Its better to save up and go for a second similar card as the primary one and sli at a later stage. I had a long chat with cilus on this matter and we came to this conclusion. He couldn't post because of his hectic schedule & office work.

 

[furious_gamer]

^^ But most of the games doesn't scale well in SLI mode. Even Crysis didn't. So going for sigle fastest GPU is best IMO and PhysX, i don't think much games are available, so go for PhysX if you have a card like 8800/GTS 250 lying around useless.

Can you show me any game which scales well with SLI?

 

[vickybat]

^^ Isn't it obvious that a gtx 460 sli will scale better than a single 460 even with physx on? The physx code computation will be divided between the two cards which will also render simultaneously.

Offcourse physx is not a dealmaker or breaker. Its a nice addon to have just in case we cross our path with a good game supporting physx. I have seen a single gtx 460 handling mafia 2 and mirror's edge with physx on and both gave excellent frames in full hd. Now a physx only second card as you mentioned will fare better and give back the lost framerates but is not considered as a good buy owing to the added power and heat levels. Its better to save up and add another card in future.

For an amd card, it will be a great option as its totally incapable of handling physx code unlike nvidia and that again is obvious.

You can check sli reviews of nvidia cards in guru3d.The scaling is magnificent.

Here is nvidia gtx 460 sli review.

 

[furious_gamer]

^^ That looks promising and now i think i need to go back to Green team.

BTW still with 2x460, Metro-2033 stressed the cards well and these cards struggles to get a good FPS.

Thanks for the link Vicky

 

[vickybat]

^^ Newer factory overclocked gtx 560's when paired together can take metro round 50fps.

No need to go for older gtx 460's now buddy.

 

[funkysourav]

All the configs above look good
But when OP is going for a 60k PC
i would suggest a small change
instead of any 2.1 Speaker system, why not go for Sennheiser HD202 headphone@1.5k?
I think it would provide much better immersion and sound quality
not to mention much less clutter

also OP can go for Corsair XMS3 instead of GSkill (i've heard of some RMA problems)

Also The recent MX518 aren't as good as previous ones why not the cheaper Gigabyte laser ones(don't remember the model name)

just my 10 cents

p.s.
guys please don't argue on Physx which isn't supported by many games
go for only raw performance for price (standalone physx cards aren't worth it IMO)

 

[furious_gamer]

^^ Newer factory overclocked gtx 560's when paired together can take metro round 50fps.

No need to go for older gtx 460's now buddy.

I agreed. Less noise, and less power, with 560's, isn't it?

 

[vickybat]

^^ Yes buddy, you got that right.

 

[Cilus]

Vicky, thanks for posting summary of our discussion.
If you are having a powerful card from nVidia, then just don't jump to buy a PhysX card right now, wait and check if you are getting good performance.

 

[Jaskanwar Singh]

All the configs above look good
But when OP is going for a 60k PC
i would suggest a small change
instead of any 2.1 Speaker system, why not go for Sennheiser HD202 headphone@1.5k?
I think it would provide much better immersion and sound quality
not to mention much less clutter

also OP can go for Corsair XMS3 instead of GSkill (i've heard of some RMA problems)

Also The recent MX518 aren't as good as previous ones why not the cheaper Gigabyte laser ones(don't remember the model name)

just my 10 cents

p.s.
guys please don't argue on Physx which isn't supported by many games
go for only raw performance for price (standalone physx cards aren't worth it IMO)

Steelseries 3H is a gaming headphone at that price

MX518 is a very vfm mouse much better than those cheap gaming mouse IMO.

 

[sunny4691]

Sorry for posting here, but I want to know how can we use a nvidia card as a dedicated physx card, what is the setup, and do we need crossfire or SLI motherboards for the setup

 

[bssunilreddy]

I finally decided to buy the below Configuration because I thought I can sell my old Config for 10-12k and add the remaining to make it 60k but my old config is not selling much.So I decided to keep it also.So my final Config is as follows:-

1) CPU-Intel Core i5 2500K 3.3GHz -10750

2) RAM-Corsair XMS3 (2*2GB) DDR3 1333MHz(TW3X4G1333C9A)-2400

3) DVD-RW-Sony 24X SATA DVD-RW(DRU-880S-ZR)-1125

4) MB-Asus P8H67-M(rev.3.0)-7200

5) CABINET-Cooler Master Elite 430-2400

6) SPEAKERS-Altec Lansing 2.1 VS4121-3000

7) MONITOR-Dell IN2020M 20”LED-6500

8) HDD-Western Digital 500GB SATA(WD5000AAKX) 6GB/s-1850

9) GPU-Sapphire Radeon HD6850 1GB DDR5-9250

10) SMPS-Corsair Gaming Series GS600(CMPSU-600G)-4800

11) KB+MOUSE-Logitech G1 Gaming Desktop-1300


TOTAL-50575
I still have some doubts regarding the above Config.Does the WD5000AAKX(i.e. 6GB/s) 500 GB HDD come for Rs.1850 or not?Can I have a simple overclocking with Asus P8H67 Motherboard or not? I mean I can't afford P series MB's now because it exceeds 50k. And revision.3.0(b3) MB's will be available by June in India and at the same price right? I decided not to opt for a dedicated Physx Card because of price and non-availability of dedicated 16xPCI Lanes in the above MB.

Thanks again guys for providing a comprehensive debate on different GPU's.Are there any price cuts in nvidia vs. ATI cards now or in near future?
Suggestions are invited!

 

[Jaskanwar Singh]

I doubt 6gb/s hdd will be for 1850. and no need to spend on it more. you wont notice any performance improvements. instead spending on a corsair force 40GB SSD for 5.7k~ will be much better.

asus is a great overclocker. but try and get a Intel DP67BG @ 8.5k. its also very good. it has SLI and crossfire in x8 x8 mode support. although asus has only crossfire support. its x16 x4 but it will run. actually not much of a difference between those x8 x8 and x16 x4.

and my dear friend get a 560 and sli it later on intel DP67BG to enjoy physx if you want.

 

[vickybat]

@ basuvani

No point in getting an i5 2500k with an h67 motherboard. Its total wastage. Get a p67 motherboard as it allows cpu overclocking. If you have no plans to overclock, then opt for a non "k" processor and pair it with an h67 mobo.

For the monitor your are going for, a 6850 is more than enough and will take care of your gaming needs. If you don't want to spend over 15k for a gpu, then stick with the current choice. Btw nvidia gts 550 will launch on 15th march. Keep an eye on that as well.

I also suggest a full hd monitor like benq g2220 hd which costs 7.3k. It will be a better option than that 20 inch dell.

Altec lansing vs4121 is not available anymore. Try altec lansing vs4621 at the same price.