narendra modi v/s congress

Will modi be again CM of gujarat

  • yes : I support him to be CM of gujarat again

    Votes: 19 42.2%
  • No : Modi should go

    Votes: 18 40.0%
  • Doesn't matter :Modi wins or Not , who cares ....

    Votes: 8 17.8%

  • Total voters
    45
  • Poll closed .
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praka123

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you dont believe tehelka?wow!now why did he quit off from karen thapper's show?MODI IS A FANATIC and MAJORITY RELIGION ENJOYS THIS!
yeah am bad with formatting!just try to read it :D am not that good in English you know!
Only thing worth mentioning is Modi suppressed Muslims.He allowed Hindus take revenge on Muslims reg Godhra.
But I though Aarsh-Bharatha Sanskar is something unlike barbarian civilization from Messopotomia,Sumeria.their laws are cut hands,eye-for-eye.
But as Indians,there needs to be peaceful solution for all these problems. fanatic like Modi and Thogadia cannot help that!
 

kumarmohit

Technomancer
@praka

As fo Dear Sonia being an Indian citizen, her citizenship is still a bone of contention. According to Indian law of citizenship, you can not hold citizenship of any other country and according to Italian law of citizenship, you can not renounce Italian citizenship at all. This make her citizenship a bit well... debatable, any way the matter is in court.

About the cross thing, It is a fact that the cross is a religious symbol. I do not know if Sonia is involved in this but being a secular country means that govt property can not officially carry mark of single religion, thus making it superior to others. If some pple see that that the cross is a religious symbol which it actually is, it can not be on the currency of a secular nation.

And if you want to know about the secularism of congress, please go and ask the Sikhs, or go and ask Shah Bano, or go and ask Salman Rushdie whose book was banned by a Congress govt, go and ask the makers of The Da Vinci Code, or most recent case go ask Tasleema NAsrin whose movie was all but.stopped by the govt.

All that i want to say is that every single political party in this country is communal some claim to be so openly like Muslim League or SS, some do it under cover like left and congress.

About believing Tehelka, please do take wat tehelka says with a pinch of salt. And I am saying this cause I am graduate in journalism and I have a bit of an idea of how the company works. Let me give you one simple example regarding the reporting of wahtever happened in Gujarat. Tehelka says that while the army had arrived in Gujarat on the 28, Modi govt deployed it only on 1 of next month. The period in between was that of progorm and commotion.

Tehelka conveniently forgot to tell in their reports that the army arrived on 28 Feb and it was deployed on 1 March. And no it was not a leap year. Tehelka does what we in communication institutions call Gotcha Journalism

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotcha_journalism
 
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praka123

left this forum longback
As being a minority myself(yes!digest it!),I can very well understand the frustration when BJP came to power in centre.In Bihar a Pastor and his son was burned off by Hindu fanatic.Nuns are raped,Churches are looted,Fathers are Killed.Christians are living in fear in many states especially in North India.
the vengeance for Muslims are done on poor Christians who are the real minority!come to my state and see the difference.

Government does not care for real minorities especially BJP is against Christians.

BJP =never.Congress is somewhat acceptable.Communists also OK.but never BJP or any Hindutva vaadi's on power.We dont want to leave our motherland just because we are on another religion.I know what VHP,RSS,Shiva Sena does.even I was Evangalised by a Hindutva terrorist once in a bike journey!he asked my name and thought i am a Hindu.now he is evangalizing me to get ready to defend Islamists and hate messages for Christians(who are 22% on my state).I wonder,what will happen if all hindus lose their tolerable nature.
I have edited my post no.19.read it if you are ready :D
 

kumarmohit

Technomancer
I can very well understand the frustration when BJP came to power in centre
And wud you be kind enuf to remind me about the increse in the number of minority popultion that was shown under the census conducted during that govt rule.

In Bihar a Pastor and his son was burned off by Hindu fanatic.Nuns are raped,Churches are looted,Fathers are Killed.Christians are living in fear in many states especially in North India.

Look I do not want this to be a cat fight or something but there a number of places in North east India and in your dear south India where the christian missionaries have forcefully stopped Hindus from doing their pujas and desecrated the idols and temples (yes in this age), there are a number of instances where people have been converted by force or by lure.

BJP =never.Congress is somewhat acceptable.Communists also OK.but never BJP or any Hindutva vaadi's on power.We dont want to leave our motherland just because we are on another religion.I know what VHP,RSS,Shiva Sena does.even I was Evangalised by a Hindutva terrorist once in a bike journey!he asked my name and thought i am a Hindu.now he is evangalizing me to get ready to defend Islamists and hate messages for Christians(who are 22% on my state).I wonder,what will happen if all hindus lose their tolerable nature.

When the christian missionaries evangelize, they become saviors but when hindus try to do so they become terrorists! Some double standards this country has and yet it claims to view all religions as equal.

The fact of the matter is that tolerance has to come from both sides, Why is it that most of the minorities live peacefully, because they are also tolerant and accommodating. If the majority is the only one who has to accommodate every time then I am sorry to say but their is something seriously wrong with the entire system.


the vengeance for Muslims are done on poor Christians who are the real minority!come to my state and see the difference.
Been there but just for 3-4 months so cant say much

I have edited my post no.19.read it if you are ready

If this is about formatting I never complained about that:))
 
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praka123

left this forum longback
kumarmohit said:
And wud you be kind enuf to remind me about the increse in the number of minority popultion that was shown under the census conducted during that govt rule.
I dont think so.the report says the population increase is not much.esp Christians.
kumarmohit said:
Look I do not want this to be a cat fight or something but there a number of places in North east India and in your dear south India where the christian missionaries have forcefully stopped Hindus from doing their pujas and desecrated the idols and temples (yes in this age), there are a number of instances where people have been converted by force or by lure.
Tell me!this is news!afaik only muslims does that!and dont think that all are "converted" christians.for eg:if you consider syrian christians, they are a mix of jews,Namboodiri Brahmins etc.they are converted at the time when christianity is born!Saint Thomas came to western coast for this.

and for muslims,not all are forcibly converted as in North India!Moplah Muslims of Kerala are having their roots from 7th century itself when Malik ibn Deenar,a close one of Mohammad came here to spread the message WITHOUT SWORDS!!!!
Many Hindu temples are converted into Masjids or Churches when the whole area is accepting Christianity or Islam.so ofcourse the old temples are converted into Churches or Mosques.this is a fact!and they are the owners!
kumarmohit said:
When the christian missionaries evangelize, they become saviors but when hindus try to do so they become terrorists! Some double standards this country has and yet it claims to view all religions as equal.

The fact of the matter is that tolerance has to come from both sides, Why is it that most of the minorities live peacefully, because they are also tolerant and accommodating. If the majority is the only one who has to accommodate every time then I am sorry to say but their is something seriously wrong with the entire system.
Hindus does not have to do the evangalization!India is a Hindu country and most Indians root their Origins as Hindus itself.where does evangalization come?It is new religions like Christianity or Islam which uses Evangalization.the fellow who try to evangalize me is not a Hindu missionary,but a violent terrorist who wants to destroy the religious harmony and peace prevailing in the state.in the same way,I blame Muslim radical groups like NDF and Madhani groups for wahabbism and creating problems among peace loving people.I know that they are more violent.

Still Hindu India cannot grow by sacking Christian minorities.Christians unlike Islam are patriotic.I feel that there is the venom of religion which is there with you too!


Just One word,India cannot be in peace by suppressing minorities as Modi does.If Modi become PM,no dobut US will be the most happiest to attack India calling this mad Modi as a dictator!
as simple it is=Modi is not a Hero for ALL!He is a fanatic terrorist who wants to kill every Moslems,Christians.He and His party is particulary against abrahamic religions.He needs to be jailed along with thogadia,Madhani et al.
 

kumarmohit

Technomancer
praka123 said:
Still Hindu India cannot grow by sacking Christian minorities.Christians unlike Islam are patriotic.I feel that there is the venom of religion which is there with you too!

Kool it man, why get Personal! and what is wrong in defending Hinduism or spreading it, you can defend and spread yours, I can do mine, natural justice is it not? Going by your dominant religion concept, both christians and moslems shud abandon evangelization first as they are the two largest groups in the world!
 

nix

Senior Member
@praka: there is no injustice being done to indian christians. the same cannot be said of countries like pakistan, bangla, where it happens often.

and pls dont drag modi's name into this. whatever happened in gujrat riots was between the majority and the biggest minority. not christians. christians were not harmed. christians have never been harmed in india.

and about the karan thapar show: you know , modi 's english is not very good. he cant talk fluent english. he didnt want to say something and that been taken in a different context by the media and a mess being made up. he got up from the interview to be on the safe side. not because he didnt have an answer.
 

mediator

Technomancer
nix said:
@praka: there is no injustice being done to indian christians. the same cannot be said of countries like pakistan, bangla, where it happens often.

and pls dont drag modi's name into this. whatever happened in gujrat riots was between the majority and the biggest minority. not christians. christians were not harmed. christians have never been harmed in india.

and about the karan thapar show: you know , modi 's english is not very good. he cant talk fluent english. he didnt want to say something and that been taken in a different context by the media and a mess being made up. he got up from the interview to be on the safe side. not because he didnt have an answer.
I dont think he got up becoz of poor english. Karan thapar acts like a retard now who has lost the senses of even a basic anchor. You can very well see him questioning like he is interrogating a criminal everytime. Modi got up when the same old story bt Godhra was questioned and I think Modi did right by getting up.

Besides, I dont understand why nobody talks bt Kashmiri Pandits? Godhra was initiated by Muslim Mob and Kashmiri pandits suffer far more comparatively. I guess they r a minority there without any privileges, reservation or sharia'h like "boon" for them! Equality for all?
 

praka123

left this forum longback
shariath is forced inside Moslems in many parts of the country,not to say Kashmiri Moslems who are influenced by the missionaries from saudi and afghan.

Indeed,it is a very sad case,when pundits community are forced to leave to Delhi and other places for resuce.many are killed and nobody is taking side for them.may be bcoz they are not a vote bank.

..and this shows what is in store for us,when "Universal Kingdom of Islam" Establishes and shariath is forced on every one.all except christians and jews are to be beheaded for idol worship-as per shariath law.where in Islam Church and state is Islam itself.BTW,shariath is again a violent barbarian interpretation of Manusmriti(YES!!!).

Modi is revered for his killing of moslems. but again violence is not a solution.to stop repeating gothra and kashmir union government must pass "UNIFORM CIVIL CODE" asap.also madrassas should be watched by a government appointed establishment.the hate starts from childhood itself for a orthodox muslim kid.if "Universal Kingdom of Islam" is established,we sure gonna suffer.

even Europeans who are not having successors(children),turkish moslems and arab,african moslems are breeding in faster pace in europe esp France where a muslim couple will have almost 5 or above children.in this rate before 2050 itself Islam will win Europe!even in India,Muslims are denying 1 or 2 child policy :rolleyes: even from educated muslims we saw terror esp kafeel mahomet in London.wth?

hence the solution is to stop over breeding of Muslims and stopping shariath been forced on Muslims in India indirectly by wahabbi muslims.stop madrassa and make them teach English.this solves everything!!!India will prosper when terrorism stops!
 

mediator

Technomancer
And it will stop when big parties like Congress, run by a foreign lady who can't even sing the national anthem and song properly, will pledge to make 2 child norm a reality. But we can see the irony, they talk bt secularism and then make restrictions and exceptions! KAshmiri pandits are killed and its no news, a muslim gets killed its a big news; they ask for broadminded marriages irrespective of religion and then shy to criticise the maulvis who say "Quran prohibits marriage of muslim women with non-muslim men unless they convert"; a bull race in Kerela becomes an issue with animal rights activists whereas goats beheading on bakri-id is perfectly OK;MF hussain's drawings of indian godesses playing with hindu sentiments is fine whereas TASLIMA NASREEN's case becomes an exception. Freedom of speech?
I understand all political parties are corrupt. But surely I want PROGRESS and not CONGRESS!
 

moshel

Padawan
Please dont believe all that the media is saying....the whole media is against modi. and the only point they have against modi is of the 2002 riots. Which the Gujarat people have forgotten and also dont wanna remember it.

The only thing in the mind of the people is development. They will vote for the one who they think will work for the development of gujarat. Hindu, Muslim, OBC, SC, ST....everyone is thinking on the same lines.

@vicky_l7 so true man..
People in India (im talking abt all those Socialist types like Teesta setalvad etc) who call themselves to be "secular" are actually anti-hindu and pro-muslim....
 

praka123

left this forum longback
if Hindus are united like in Gujarat,then there is no life for Muslims and other communities especially Christians(who are very rare in north india).
Just saw an independent report series on what is cooking in Gujarat by a malayalam channel.what i can say is that all muslims who are shown are following Islamic law and are very much against Hindus.while Hindus restricts the muslims to live in small packed areas in every city.many Muslims are saying about the gang rape and looting,killing by Hindu terrorists while in riots.what the report is saying is that Hindus and Muslims are completely divided permanantly by the fanatic terrorist called Modi.

I know,yes I know,every Hindu who is claiming non-biased also are giving hidden support for Modi for his treatment to Muslims.also Muslims are violent and riot initiators in most cases.still...no party can save when it is in power,be it bjp or congress(still congress is better).the enjoyment which a average gujarati(hindu) gets when modi is killing Muslims is a sweet face of a bigger menace.Muslims are now not a minority by itself.Muslims are now @ 22% ? or above.they can become a real problem for peace loving people once violence against Muslims are initiated.remember Islam is a organized religion and it clearly describes what to be done with Hindus.So maintaining peace and slowly stopping the shariath and madrassa teaching is the way for peace in india.

real minorities are not Muslims!they are Chrisitans,Jains etc.

report says the development and industrialization which is visible in modi's rule where because modi supports big corporates,not common man.but common man being under the illusion of a developed gujarat is losing his perception for a neutral view.
 

kumarmohit

Technomancer
if Hindus are united like in Gujarat,then there is no life for Muslims and other communities especially Christians(who are very rare in north india).

This is a mere speculation and no one deny the right of Hindus to be united because some people in media get a crackpot speculation. Hindus need to be united as much as any other community in the world.

Just saw an independent report series on what is cooking in Gujarat by a malayalam channel.

And you believe it! Go join a journalism course, first thing you would be taught is that Indian media is incredible. Our teachers explicitly asked us to say what everyone is saying. If you think any Indian media can report independently, then you need a reality check.

I know,yes I know,every Hindu who is claiming non-biased also are giving hidden support for Modi for his treatment to Muslims.

It depends but I doubt this. There are people with genuine concern but they are really rare. Most of the people who are criticising Modi are either pseudo secularists or Hindu apologists who think that it is a crime being a Hindu. These are the people who can call modi devil incarnate and then say that Taslima or Rushdie are the same as all of them are against Moslems. The third group is doing so because every one is doing so. For them it is sheer ignorance.

real minorities are not Muslims!they are Chrisitans,Jains etc.

Again I would be insolent to differ with you sir. The fact of the matter is that who is a minority depends on the area they are in. So even Hindus can be a minority like they are in kashmir or in some NE states or in Sikkim where the Buddhists are in such a majority that the Sangh has a seat reserved in their state legislature (So much for secularism! Refer Wikipedia page on Sikkim). It totally depends on the location.
 

moshel

Padawan
how can a reporter who comes and stays here for 15 days say all this about gujarat.

praka123 said:
Just saw an independent report series on what is cooking in Gujarat by a malayalam channel.what i can say is that all muslims who are shown are following Islamic law and are very much against Hindus.

Muslims in gujarat are not against hindus....atleast they dont come out everyday and kill some hindus......even those following islamic law. and even if some muslim hates hindus, thats his personal view point. and there wud be quite a few of such....and everyone here has 1 muslim friend atleast!

praka123 said:
while Hindus restricts the muslims to live in small packed areas in every city.

who says that the hindus restrict the muslims. Its the muslims who have chosen a few areas where they have settled down by themselves but in no way these are "small" and "packed".

let me give u an example.....my family used to stay in Mirzapur area abt 30-35 years back. we are jews and we had abt 3 more jewish families in the same locality....there were abt 2 christian families and 2-3 parsis and 2-3 hindus....and 1 muslim family.

after a few years ppl started moving out(including us) and the locality slowly became a complete muslim locality. there was just 1 jewish family staying (thats abt 1992 or so).....this family didnt wanna move out and also didnt have that kind of purchasing power to move out....so these people were actually tortured using black magic and even other kinds of harrassments to force them to move out of there.....

so its not that someone has forced muslims to live in one area. The thing what every1 believes is that if they allow 1 muslim family to stay in their societies, slowly all muslims will start moving in that society. and thats why people are scared to sell houses to muslims. many societies dont allow any1 to sell house to a muslim. even builders dont sell houses of new societies they build in non-muslim areas to muslims...becos there is this fear in the minds of the people.

praka123 said:
many Muslims are saying about the gang rape and looting,killing by Hindu terrorists while in riots.

well the looting and killing did happen....cant say abt gang rapes...

praka123 said:
what the report is saying is that Hindus and Muslims are completely divided permanantly by the fanatic terrorist called Modi.

no they are not! this is just ridiculous. Hindus and muslims are not divided. its ok that they are living in different areas....but they work in the same offices....they go out with their families in the same gardens, malls, etc....hindus have muslim neighbours and vice versa.

Just come to Gujarat if u dont believe all this.

all wat the media says might be true in a 1 or maybe 2 cases but that doesnt mean that its the same situation in the whole state with each and every hindu and muslim.
 

praka123

left this forum longback
well,what media reports is the news for us.and i thought if some foreign newsreporters who is not biased will report the reality.as the feature shown in the channel shows interviews of locals etc reg what i posted earlier.
but yes,i am not yet to gujarat.so....i have to believe the news channels esp local newschannels in kerala which afaik is famous for reporting without much bias unlike popular national channels like cnn-ibn or zee.

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offtopic:
@moshel:u r jew!well are u kochini jew(those migrated from middle east to kerala before bc-700 afaik)?(from cochin?)Kochi got lotta jews before.now 99% migrated to Israel after its formation in 1960's afaik.still there is the old synagogues in Mattancherry and N.Parur Kerala and few kochini jews there.Infact many(majority) jews are here as syrian christians after st.thomas converted jews :) along with other people.hence they are hybrids .
lately i heard these kochini jews who are darker(w.r.t german jews) are facing discrimination in Israel :-|
 
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damnthenet

Journeyman
nix : " support narendra modi..."
..............this is a mere election slogan........................

nix : "he is a man of steel."
..............yes you are right ....there's no human nature in him..........

nix : "he commands respect and awe."
.............reslpect from people like you...................

nix : "dont blame him for the riots. there is no solid proof that he supported/helped it."
..............yes it will be wrong to say that he supported / helped it bcoz
.........................the truth is to say that he supported & helped it........

nix : "even media is against him. he stands alone."
..............God, atleast media is doing some good work in Gujrat..........

nix : "if ppl resort to violence...what is his fault?
..............Gr8, why should we have court, law, and other blah blah!!!! Let ppl do whatever they want. LOL.................

nix : "he tried to stop the violence but in vain"
..............He must have been happy that he could not stop the growth of his brain child...................

nix : "what happened in gujarat was the ppl's wish."
..............I feel very sorry for the ppl of Gujarat for they only wish bad things to happen. My question is why it is happening only in Gujarat........

nix : "everyone talks about best bakery...but no one talks about the sabarmati S6 coach.... why?are those ppl children of a lesser god?"
.............Maybe because there is no better bakery in Gujarat till this day and subarmati is already running...........lol...............

nix : "hindu's have become the worst losers in india... every now and then,our gods are insulted. like the ram setu issue. just today, west bengal CM again insulted ram by saying that it is fictional. it is a cheap tactic to gain votes... by extremists..he is pleasing fundamentalists.."
.............sorry, no comments......................


nix : "again, the taslima case proves it... he has given in to islamic fundamentalists by telling her to "get out"...."
.............so you mean he gives in and hampers law to take its path, I too say the same.....................
................NOW THINK FOR URSELF........you need him?????????????
................LET PEACE PREVAIL................THIS IS JUST MY VIEW AND NO HURT INTENDED...................
 
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ssdivisiongermany1933

Still in war with allies
if Modi wins then it would a bigger slap on those who hates him , because common people likes him ....an I support Modi to win , atleast there should be some people who shud support majority in a sickular country ...
 

mediator

Technomancer
many Muslims are saying about the gang rape and looting,killing by Hindu terrorists while in riots.
I also wud like to know which "hindu terrorists" have been referred to, who kill and commit crime in the name of GODS or if someone who rapes and kills infidels as stated in some HOLY BOOK?

The term "religious extremism" shudn't be confused with 'communal tensions'.

This is what religious extremism looks like
@everyone ....please read!!


Source: Babur Nama
Place:Chanderi (Madhya Pradesh)

In AH 934 (CE 1528) I attacked Chanderi and by the grace of Allah captured it in a few hours...We got the infidels slaughtered and the place which had been daru'l - harb for years was made into a daru'l-islam.

Babur's poem on killing Hindus

For the sake of Islam I became a wanderer;
I battled infidels and Hindus.
I determined to become a martyr.
Thank God I became a Ghazi(killer of non-Muslims)


Quoted in Dr. Harsh Narain's article:Rama-Janma Bhumi Muslim testimony
Indian Express Feb,26,1990 Place:Uttar Pradesh

Since the establishment of Zahiru'd-Din Ghazi's rule ...officers and religious leaders spread Islam vigorously destroying Hindu faith. We cleared of the filth of Hinduism from Faizabad and Avadh.

Guru Nanak on Babur's atrocities:
Source:Rag Asa Guru Nanak Dev witnessed first hand the atrocities Babur committed on Hindus and recorded them in his poems. He says:

Having attacked Khuraasaan, Babar terrified Hindustan. The Creator Himself does not take the blame, but has sent the Mugal as the messenger of death. There was so much slaughter that the people screamed. Didn't You feel compassion, Lord? pg (360)

On the condition of Hindu women in Babur's monster rule:

Those heads adorned with braided hair, with their parts painted with vermillion - those heads were shaved with scissors, and their throats were choked with dust.They lived in palatial mansions, but now, they cannot even sit near the palaces.... ropes were put around their necks, and their strings of pearls were broken. Their wealth and youthful beauty, which gave them so much pleasure, have now become their enemies. The order was given to the soldiers, who dishonored them, and carried them away. If it is pleasing to God's Will, He bestows greatness; if is pleases His Will, He bestows punishment pg(417-18)


On the nature of Mughal rule under Babur:

First, the tree puts down its roots, and then it spreads out its shade above. The kings are tigers, and their officials are dogs; they go out and awaken the sleeping people to harass them. The public servants inflict wounds with their nails. The dogs lick up the blood that is spilled. Source:Rag Malar, (pg.1288)

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Jahangir(1605-1628)
Source: Tuzuk-i-Jahangiri

Though in the beginning of his rule Jahangir followed the humanistic rule of his father Akbar the great -the policy of sulehkul even issued a proclamation against the forcible conversion of Hindus to Islam, he revoked Akbar's orders that those who have been forcibly converted from Islam could return to Hinduism. He severely punished Kaukab, Sharif and Abdul Latif for showing inclination to Hinduism. He also prohibited the free inter-marriage customs between Hindus and Muslims in Kashmir. Hindus marrying Muslim girls and those who had already married were given a hoice between Islam and death. Many were killed.

Jahangir's torture of Guru Arjun Dev ji: Guru was imprisoned at Lahore fort. He was chained to a post in an open place exposed to the sun from morning to evening in the summer months of May to June. Below his feet a heap of sand was put which burnt like a furnace. Boiling water was poured on his naked body at intervals. His body was covered with blisters all over. In this agony Guru used to utter.

Tera Kiya Metha lage, naam padarath Nanak mange(whatever you ordain appears sweet. I supplicate for the gift of name)

The Guru was ordercd to be executed. In addition a fine of Rupees two lakhs was imposed on him. Some historians say that, as a measure of clemency at the intervention of Mian Mir, this fine was imposed in lieu of the sentence of death. The Sikhs offered to pay the fine themselves but the Guru forbade them to do so. He replied to the Emperor,

"Whatever money I have is for the poor, the friendless and the stranger. If thou ask for money thou mayest take what I have; but if thou ask for it by way of fine, I shall not give thee even a Kaurz (penny)." The Guru accepted death by torture
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Shah Jahan(1658-1707)
[SIZE=+2]In 1632 Shah jahan ordered that all Hindu temples recently erected or in the course of construction should be razed to the ground. In Benares alone seventy six temples were destroyed.[/SIZE] Christian churches at Agra and Lahore were demolished. In a manner befitting the Prophet he had ten thousand inhabitants executed by being "blown up with powder, drowned in water or burnt by fire". Four thousand were taken captive to Agra where they were tortured to try to convert them to Islam. Only a few apostacised, the remainder were trampled to death by elephants, except for the younger women who went to harems.

Shahjahan put enormous eonomic pressure on Hindus particularly peasents to become Muslims. The criminals too were forced to become Muslims.

Source: Badshah Nama, Qazinivi & Badshah Nama , Lahori

When Shuja was appointed as governor of Kabul he carried on a ruthless war in the Hindu territory beyond Indus...The sword of Islam yielded a rich crop of converts....Most of the women (to save their honour) burnt themselves to death. Those captured were distributed among Muslim Mansabdars.

Source: Manucci, Storia do Mogor vol-II p.451 & Travels of Frey Sebastian Manrique

Under Shahjahan peasents were compelled to sell their women and children to meet their revenue requirements....The peasents were carried off to various Markets and fairs to be sold with their poor unhappy wives carrying their small children crying and lamenting. According to Qaznivi Shahjagan had decreed they should be sold to Muslim lords.

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Aurangazeb(1658-1707)

Aurangzeb considered himself "The Scourge Of The Kafirs" (non-believers) and closed Hindu schools and libraries. In his lifetime he destroyed more than 10,000 Hindu, Buddhist and Jam temples and often erected mosques in their stead.3 In 1669 in Agra he had hacked off the limbs of the recalcitrant Hindu King Gokla and in 1672 several thousand revolting Hindus were slaughtered in Mewat.

Source: Maasi-i-Alamgiri

* Issued general order to destroy all centers of Hindu learnings including Varnasi and destroyed the temple at Mathura and renamed it as Islamabad
* In Khandela (rajastan) he killed 300 Hindus in one day for they resisted the destruction of their temple.
* In Udaipur all Hindus of the town were killed as they vowed to defend the temple of Udaipur from destruction.
* 172 temples were destroyed in Udaipur.
* 66 temples were pulled down in Amber. All Hindu clerks were dismissed from the office of the Imperial empire.
* In Pandhpur , Maharashtra, the Emperor ordered and executed the destruction of temple and butchering of cows within the temple.

Aurangazeb also tortured to death the disciples of Guru Tegh bahadur before his death and also killed Guru. Guru Tegh Bahadur - the pride of Hindustan was martyred for he spoke for the persecuted Hindus of Hindustan. Aurangazeb also killed Guru Gobind singh's two children aged less than ten by walling them alive for not accepting the choice of Islam. In Punjab Muslim governors killed hundreds of Sikh children and made Sikh women eat the flesh of their own killed children. Banda Bahadur another great Sikh martyr before being torturd to death was also made to eat the flesh of his own children killed before his eyes. Any Muslim bringing the head of a dead Sikh was also awarded money.
Its too big for me to quote the entire thing n then bold the interesting parts .

About destruction of temples!

Remember thousands of mosques have been erected on the top of a demolished temple. Feel free to google to find out yourself!

During their rule they looted and destroyed hundereds of thousands of Hindu temples. Aurangzeb himself destroyed 10,000 Hindu temples during his reign! Some of the larger temples were converted into mosques or other Islamic structures. Ram Janmbhoomi(at Ayodhya) and Krishna Temple(at Mathura) are just two examples. Many others exist!
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This is what religious extremism and terrorism looks like! People shud read the various namah's a lil more. They came, they converted, they destroyed n made a complete mess! They came to England, US in small numbers bt now demand sharia'h and on not being granted they say "Injustice is being done to done to them". AS a result they seek "revenge". WTH!!

The few who r liberals and those who never really read THE holy book, which clearly describes whats to be done with the infidels, get stuck in the stampede when the natives reply to the barbarious initiations!

Godhra was initiated by whom and people sympathise with whom, forgetting bt the initiators completely!!
 

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Well, it was Modi who sanctioned and planned even the Sabarmati coach burning and all. it as pre-planned.
How would one feel when the one who raped their mothers and sisters, and killed their kith and kin, roaming scot free in front of their eyes. Its something no man has the strength to bear. That's how terrorists are created. when injustice is meted out to them. Terrorists arent born, they are created, by the likes of Modi...who then use them to attract votes.
As this thread has strayed offtopic, i take the liberty to put up some facts.
its time we return to our scriptures.
Hinduism is a religion based on Vedas, Their most sacred scripture. The Vedas prohibit idol worship.
"na tasya pratima asti
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]5

"shudhama poapvidham"
"He is bodyless and pure."
[Yajurveda 40:8]6

"Ekam evadvitiyam"
"He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1

"Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah."
"Of Him there are neither parents nor lord."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2

"Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3

"Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam."
"His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4

If the Vedas prohibit idol worship, then how can hindus justify idol worship, even when Vedas and Upanishads prohibit them? Which religion are they actually following?
same is the case with Islam. they have gone astray from their Quran. Nowhere it is in the Quran to kill hindus or non-muslims. Instead it says muslims to follow Islam and let the others follow their respective religions.
Ch.109 Surah Kaafirun
"I worship not that which you worship,
Nor will you worship that which I worship.
To you, be your religion; and to me, my religion."


What kinda Hindutva is Modi proclaiming? He does not know a thing about Hinduism in its true sense. And his so-called development is just limited to the cities. The villages and tribal areas are stung with poverty, lack of electricity and a plethora of woeful ballads n problems. its just a false propaganda for garnering votes.The Muslim areas are left unattended with people living among garbage dumps.
 
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