Mystery of Zero Resolved

MetalheadGautham

MetalheadGautham

AFK
tkin said:
Going by your example lets say after infinite years you want to know their age difference, you do not know their age difference from start, neither do they(forgot), now can you calculate it?
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Nope. Which is why I said you can handle infinite values in certain situations where you know their origins and you are able to obtain a finite value using a relation between the two infinite values

Meaning anything divided by infinity is ZERO. But sometimes, there come places in mathematics where infinity gets reduced to a finite value. Here we can solve.

As far you and them are concerned both of them had lived for an eternity and you don't know how 'old' they exactly are, so you can no differentiate them.

When trying to subtract two numbers(coarse example) that had been integrated over an infinite range, you do not know their limiting values, hence you cannot subtract them.
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Lemme give you another picture. Take two random infinite numbers. Their difference is indeterminate because we don't know what is the value by which the two differ.

But sometimes you DO know how the numbers originated. This happens in many of the common problems you encounter when making mathematical calculations. In these places, there are well defined procedures to solve the problem.

I'm not trying to say infinity is solvable, so your point holds true. But sometimes problems where you encounter terms tending to infinity there occur situations where you can rearrange stuff so that you don't get infinity anymore.

mediator said:
@MHG : Mathematical fallacy

For dealing with infinity, you need to have a pretty strong visualization to get some vague idea, but at the same time you cannot visualize infinity.

y=e^x is a theoretical formula. Not everything in the world is based on theoretical formula. Earth seems to be "flat" from a lower frame of awareness or consciousness, but "round" from a higher frame of awareness. Similarly, you can visualize y=e^x till it is within limits. On the graph, if "1cm represents 1 km" (i.e visualization), then y=e^x may look like a straight line. If you put x=infinity, then y becomes infinity. You may still see a curve depending upon your frame of reference, but how sure can you be without the use of formula that it is still a curve? Even with the formula..

y=e, when x=1, i.e y!=x
y=e^2 when x=2 i.e y!=x
y=infinty when x=infinty i.e y becomes equal to x now (?) and the formula breaks from its consistency (?).

You can deduce the formula of the graph, i.e reverse, if you are given the graph within limits. But you cannot when infinity comes into the picture. You cannot know if its a square, circle or a line then.
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most of your reply is above.
as I said, your statements are correct. I only provided a solution for a small subset of infinity problems where infinity is really not infinity which is the case with many situations!

y -> infinity only means that the variable is "approaching/tends to" infinity. It doesn't mean that it is infinity! Ponder over it and you might become a philosopher. In deep state of meditation (with eyes closed), you may experience that infinite. You cannot know where that blank starts or its depth. Ironically, you will realize that it is also a state of "nothingness" or emptiness! That emptiness may manifest into a thought and that thought into a dream.....well I got carried away :D :)
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paul.soumyabrata

Broken In
See, all this BS, is really candy for the ear. See there are thousand mathematicians, there in the planet, who are all pondering over numbers, and infact dedicated their lives to number. People, you may seem to know something such as Limit. The mathematical equations, given previously, actually all do not obey the consistency and existence, so it is not solvable. So if you cannot solve it, it is not possible to evaluate it and get a finite result.
 
Neuron

Neuron

Electronic.
What i think is that there will never be an answer to operations like division by zero .Since these operations if we take in the practical sense are impossible.

For example 8 / 2 can be physically represented as dividing 8 apples among 2 persons.Its answer 4 is actually number of apples each person has at the end of the process of division.

Now when considering 8 / 0,it means that we are trying to divide 8 apples among 0 persons.And the answer we are searching for is the no. of apples possessed by those 0 persons at the end of division.Now this is totally impossible.
By '8 / 0'ing we are simply trying to do something that is senseless.
 
Liverpool_fan

Liverpool_fan

Sami Hyypiä, LFC legend
vineet369 said:
It means dividing 8 apples between 2.1 men. Don't ask me, who was 0.1 men.
But this can be done: 8.1/2, which would mean, dividing 8.1 apples in 2 men.
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What I questioned was that the trivial divison definiton only applies to natural numbers. Heck you can't even define 0/x (x!=0) by that definition, divide "nothing" by 4?
Anyway x/0 (x!=0) is undefined simply because there's no number multiplied by 0 to get x. As for 0/0, some mathematicians did define it as zero but that's not accepted in modern mathematics.
 
Anish

Anish

Spectre
May be he wrote that cr@p targeted at forums! To make his name known to everyone. Sincerely, I am still struggling on calculus!
But dividing by zero will give a value means, I would have got top class in my maths subject
Surely this article is a !@~~#$%~~ (Encrypted with blowfish) :mrgreen:
 
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mrintech

Technomancer
sygeek said:
0/0 = 0/0 <=> Nothing/nothing = nothing/nothing

Nothing is nothing, thus it doesn't make sense to divide it, the answer thus is nothing (on both the sides).

Now,
Nothing = Nothing <=> 0=0

Nothing is nothing, we all know that. Thus, this equation doesn't exist and it is nothing.

0=0 => 0 => Nothing

What did I just say? Nothing..
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I just killed myself :)):))

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