MUP - MS OS for 3$ (beat tht open source)

[gxsaurav]

Isn't OLPC limiting the kids with only 512 MB Harddisk? Stop comparing XP starter edition with linux. They are made for different segments. XP starter edtion is a boon for those companies & schools which usually run 1 or 2 apps only at one time for educational purpose or official purpose. Has anyone of U ever seen how work is done in call centers, garment shops, big bazaar or Mcdy? They all run one or 2 apps only together at once, whole day.

 

[thunderbird.117]

Re: Microsoft® Unlimited Potential Programme.

Because most of the required apps in school work in Windows without a geek interface.

Geek Interface. What do you mean by that?.

 

[gxsaurav]

XP starter edition does sux for home usage. But who buys XP SE for home usage? just keep in mind for which segment of market it is made for. It would be a better idea to use XP starter edition everywhere where only one or two apps run whole day & only if your software is made for Windows. Linux has advantage if it is like an embeded systam like Panasonic made Mcdonalds bill machine. & Plz MS for gods sake up the resolution to 1024 X 768

 

[thunderbird.117]

XP starter edition does sux for home usage. But who buys XP SE for home usage? just keep in mind for which segment of market it is made for. It would be a better idea to use XP starter edition everywhere where only one or two apps run whole day & only if your software is made for Windows. Linux has advantage if it is like an embeded systam like Panasonic made Mcdonalds bill machine. & Plz MS for gods sake up the resolution to 1024 X 768

Starter Editon sucks. They are so many limation in that editon. Who do they think they are fooling?. Does MS think bring starter will reduce the piracy?.

 

[gxsaurav]

yo i m online by phone, so missed your post. mine should have auto merged.

geek interface = Command Line & bad offline package management. Although in case of such embeded machines UI is always custom made for there particular task.

starter edition has limitation for home usage, but not for embeded single app usage. MS should rethink on what to provide & what to skip in such low cost OS & change the name to XP One Node Edition

 

[Desi-Tek.com]

does MVP means free marketing? of Microsoft's valuable product?

btw i enjoy both windows and linux

 

[mehulved]

geek interface = Command Line & bad offline package management. Although in case of such embeded machines UI is always custom made for there particular task.

Download *olpc.download.redhat.com/olpc/streams/sdk/latest/livecd/ and see the interface. I don't think 350mb is too big.
And who says CLI means bad interface?

 

[freebird]

does MVP means free marketing? of Microsoft's valuable product?

btw i enjoy both windows and linux

You pointed it Correctly.this is like you are paid for ur mouth shut against the Company..sadly We Linux,Mac users not yet have any MVPs

Linux Powered OLPC:*wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:Laptop_pictures
*img243.imageshack.us/img243/4091/800pxap138at6.th.jpg

*wiki.laptop.org/images/0/0a/Orange3.png

*www.laptop.org/img/specs_dimensions.jpg
*www.laptop.org/laptop/hardware/specs.shtml

specs

We are using components from Red Hat's Fedora Core 6 version of the Linux operating system; we are tracking the main kernel fairly closely.
We will support five programming environments on the laptop: (1) Python, from which we have built our user interface and our activity model; (2) Javascript for browser-based scripting; (3) Csound, a programmable music and audio environment; (4) Squeak, a version of Smalltalk embedded into a media-rich authoring environment; and (5) Logo. We will also provide some support Java and Flash.
Applications will include a web browser built on Xulrunner, the run-time environment used by the Firefox browser; a simple document viewer based upon Evince; the AbiWord wordprocessor, an RSS reader, an email client, chat client, VOIP client; a journal a wiki with WYSIWYG editing; a multimedia authoring and playback environment; a music composition toolkit, graphics toolkits, games, a shell, and a debugger.
Libraries and plugins used by OLPC include Xul, GTK+, Matchbox, Sugar, Pango, ATK, Cairo, X Window System, Avahi, and gstreamer.

*www.laptop.org/en/laptop/software/specs.shtml
*wiki.laptop.org/go/Video_of_the_OLPC

 

[gxsaurav]

That UI comment was not for OLPC. I was talking about the comment that Linux should be used in goverment PCs, Here is the thing. If offices or companies are already using Windows enviroment so it makes sence to go to Windows XP Starter edition cos in case of Linux it means training. (which is complete bull***). Goverment should hire someone to make the Linux UI customisable for there particular task only. It is linux so this is possible. Hide all menus which are not required & show only that is required.

Personally, OLPC project is just a way for companies to make future buyers. Kids should be tought to read books & do calculation in mind insted of using Wikipedia & calculatar

 

[eddie]

geek interface = Command Line & bad offline package management.

Is this your own definition or is it based on some IT convention?
If it is your personal opinion then imo Geek Interface = Weird error messages (illegal operation, BSODs?) and plethora of anti-*

Isn't OLPC limiting the kids with only 512 MB Harddisk?

Mass storage: 1024 MiB SLC NAND flash, high-speed flash controller
It is 1GB in OLPC, which incidentally is equal to what Intel is offering in its Linux classmate PC.

 

[gxsaurav]

Again Just 1 GB. A normal PC has 20 40 60 GB of storage space. But then again considering OLPC's recharging ability by that handle & usage I like 1 GB is good enough

 

[mehulved]

It's a flash disk. And these devices aren't supposed to store much on them besides whatever comes inbuilt. These are just supposed to be used as learning devices. Storage can be done on a central server.
Putting a normal hard disk means having moving parts which makes these laptops less durable. They are supposed to be durable and shock resistant upto a point,but that doesn't mean you go banging it on the walls and expect it to work then.They are supposed to be used by kids, so very much likelyhood of it being dropped and lugged around.

 

[azzu]

when is it comin to india

the olpc

 

[mail2and]

Kids should be tought to read books & do calculation in mind insted of using Wikipedia & calculatar

Kids should also be taught to improve their vocabulary and grammar. Of course, depending upon calculators is not advisable.

Microsoft is fine with people pirating their OS. I mean they would rather have some kid using a pirated copy of their OS, rather than that kid using Linux.

Linux has a great future in places like Kerala, where kids are being taught how to operate computers on open source operating system. When these kids grow up, they will have a choice. A choice that many kids in developed countries do not have. Microsoft wants to kill this choice. It's obvious that their only objective is to capture maximum market share to create value for their shareholders.

It's not fair to compare Microsoft with the open source movement. Both have different objectives, and even more different means to achieve these objectives. You can't compare a shining example of American laissez-faire capitalism with a social movement.

 

[mehulved]

when is it comin to india

the olpc

Depends on GoI. AFAIK, they won't be sold directly. The government of each country has to pre-order them in bulk so as to achieve the economies of scale thus reducing the price and getting it down to around $100 mark. Then the government can subsidise it and get it to the children.

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Re: MS OS for 3$ (beat tht open source)

That price you quote for RHEL is of RHEL application stack which comes with LAMP stack installed and supported. Microsoft's alternative to MySQL i.e. SQL Server alone costs $25,000 for single processor.

Just some perspective of the costs...

well if u're comparing that then u should know that SQL server has got Features such as stored procedures , reporting etc Since version 7(released in 1999) that MYSQL 5.1 has got just now(2006) , now current version of SQL Server 2005(v9.0) is FAR FAR better n advanced that MySQL .

also the price you r Quoting is For Enterprise Edition n that too on a per-processor basis , if you r counting features then let me remind you that the features present in Standard version of SQL Server 2005($5999) per processor r much more than Mysql Enterprise version($4995.00) also please note that MySQL enterprise edition does not inculde Server Clustering by default , which is Included in SQL Server , so you have to buy MySQL MaxDB for clustering whihch costs n additional $1490

So total Cost Of MySQL Enterprise edition , which is almost one-tenth of SQL Server 2005 in features comes out to be $4995 + $1490 = $6485 Whereas SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition Costs $5999 so now which is more Cost effective ?

 

[kumarmohit]

when is it comin to india

the olpc

OLPC is not coming to India because Mr Maran thinks its a toy and we need more classrooms and teachers and so India has backed out of project after initial participation.

As For the raging debate, People the offer will only be available to Governments who are going to give PCs to state funded institutions can have this scheme on them.

You will not able to avail this offer in Open market. Do you think MS would be that stupid. It did not become such a monstrosity by charity.

I personally think that now MS id concentrating more on selling Vista. WinXP Starter cud have been replaced with Win2000 Pro because of its lesser HW needs and near XP stabilty

 

[gxsaurav]

Kids should also be taught to improve their vocabulary and grammar. Of course, depending upon calculators is not advisable.

Yup, kids should be tought better hindi. Most of them know A B C D but not ka , kha ,ga, gha.

(need hindi fonts)

It's obvious that their only objective is to capture maximum market share to create value for their shareholders.

Isn't that what all companies do anyway?

By the way, nice comparision of MySQL zeeshan, didn't know the prices myself.

 

[freebird]

Kids should also be taught to improve their vocabulary and grammar. Of course, depending upon calculators is not advisable.

Microsoft is fine with people pirating their OS. I mean they would rather have some kid using a pirated copy of their OS, rather than that kid using Linux.

Linux has a great future in places like Kerala, where kids are being taught how to operate computers on open source operating system. When these kids grow up, they will have a choice. A choice that many kids in developed countries do not have. Microsoft wants to kill this choice. It's obvious that their only objective is to capture maximum market share to create value for their shareholders.

It's not fair to compare Microsoft with the open source movement. Both have different objectives, and even more different means to achieve these objectives. You can't compare a shining example of American laissez-faire capitalism with a social movement.

tend to Agree to most parts

 

[eddie]

Re: MS OS for 3$ (beat tht open source)

also the price you r Quoting is For Enterprise Edition n that too on a per-processor basis , if you r counting features then let me remind you that the features present in Standard version of SQL Server 2005($5999) per processor r much more than Mysql Enterprise version($4995.00) also please note that MySQL enterprise edition does not inculde Server Clustering by default , which is Included in SQL Server , so you have to buy MySQL MaxDB for clustering whihch costs n additional $1490

I can't really argue on the features part because I have a very limited knowledge about RDBMS. Also I could not find any specific comparisons about features included in MySQL and SQL Server 2005 Standard edition thus it limits my knowledge all the more but I would definitely like to call you on the price factor and the clustering in SQL Standard Edition.

The cost thing that I mentioned was regarding RHEL and not MySQL. Considering the fact that RHEL comes with LAMP application stack pre-installed and pre-supported, you will not be needing to buy support for MaxDB from MySQL. It will be provided by RHEL thus not increasing your costs. Also, the costs you mention for MySQL and MaxDB are not purchase costs. The software is free to download and use but the cost is for 1 year of "Premium Support" which includes "unlimited incidents" of 24x7 phone support. Considering the fact that SQL Server, 2005 support from Microsoft comes at $245 per incident in normal times and $490-$590 in after hours makes you understand the price factor.

Now coming to clustering. According to Microsoft's own pages, SQL Standard edition supports clustering between just two nodes. Now, considering the fact that any company that would like to cluster their database would also be wanting to run a management server...the second supported node just gets taken without providing any actual benefits of clustering thus this whole feature looks rather feeble in standard edition. On the other hand, MaxDB does not have any such restrictions and the additional cost you pay is for support incidents.

So total Cost Of MySQL Enterprise edition , which is almost one-tenth of SQL Server 2005 in features comes out to be $4995 + $1490 = $6485 Whereas SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition Costs $5999 so now which is more Cost effective ?

I have already explained about the costs. Please include the support costs in as well and then observe which is more cost effective. Considering 30 total incidents in a year out of which 10 could be in after hours, the support cost runs to $10,000 thus effectively making standard edition to cost at $15,999.

Now, coming to the "almost one-tenth of SQL Server standard edition" part. Since you have enough knowledge to claim that MySQL is one tenth of SQL Standard edition, I request you to please post a comparison statement between the features of SQL Server and MySQL so that we all can be enlightened about the 1000% efficiency increase by using SQL Server over MySQL