microsoft and IE

[gxsaurav]

All Linux distros work pretty fine without FireFox or any other web browser and one can easily uninstall browser without affecting OS. Two of my Debian servers don't have any Web Browser. Base packages of Debian NetInstall don't have any browser by default and OS works fine. I have installed GUI in one of my server too and again, I didn't install any Web Browser.

For the love of god, having a Browser is not equal to having a HTML rendering engine in the OS.

You can easily uninstall Internet Explorer in Windows which will remove its file association, registry etc etc but the trident engine will remain there which the OS needs to work. When u removed web browser from your Linux you just removed the browser frontend but the HTML engine used by the OS is still there else you wouldn't be seeing icons in a folder.

This is why I wrote this...

try removing the software & then every library/dll/bin which belongs to the HTML engine & let me know if the OS runs.

Plz read before you post.

If you know the internals of an OS work then you will know that using an underlying HTML engine to display the UI is much easier then not using one. It is indeed possible to make an OS with no HTML engine at all, but having an HTML engine inbuilt makes it really easy for the devs to work on the OS. If today EU forces MS to remove the IE Engine from Windows, then it will take 2 more years easily to come up with Windows 7 without any HTML engine in it.

Why isn't EU suing Apple & Linux distributions for bundling a browser? Now don't give me an excuse saying "mac isn't a monopoly & Linux is free". Too hell with it, it is an OS which comes with a browser pre-installed on which user can install any other browser if they like just like Windows 7. Microsoft should now sue Apple, Ubuntu & other distributions cos they don't give the customar a choice during installation to use Internet Explorer. Why M I not given a choice upon first boot of Ubuntu to chose a browser after which I can decide whether I want to use Firefox or Konqurer.

Opera is just being a bunch of cry babies. Instead of taking there awesome rendering engine & giving extensions support like firefox has they are suing others. Microsoft is making IE 8 standard complient like everyone wanted. IE 8 software runs really fast on Windows 7 & the engine is better then before. Opera is sad cos they are being beaten by Firefox cos no one is using Opera much. What they don't realize that Firefox is what it is today just due to extensions which IE has supported from a long time & is extending with IE 7 with .net based add ons support.

As much as I love Opera Mini & Opera Mobile on my Mobile phone, I dislike Opera on a Computer. Opera is scared cos

1) Nobody is using it much on a Computer due to IE on WIndows, Safari on Mac/Windows & Firefox on all major OS.

2) There days in the mobile browser area are numbered. Webkit is eating its market share. Nokia is using free webkit instead of paying for Opera Mobile (paid). iPhone & Android are already using Webkit. Only on Windows Mobile everyone likes to use Opera instead of IE6 Mobile which MS is also updating to be like IE 8 in Windows Mobile 7. No one is going to ask about Opera now...

Opera has one edge that they are available for all the major OS out there & paltforms. Instead of suing others, they should simply add Extension support to Opera for Desktop, & release Opera mobile for all the OS out there like Symbian S60 3rd edition & Android.

@Desiibond

MS can remove IE "front end" from Windows easily. See, Opera isn't completely wrong either. People already have a browser in OS named IE so they continue to use it instead of downloading something else. What MS can do is to keep the Trident engine in Windows as it is & after the first boot up they should give a link in Welcome center of Windows Vista\7 "Select your browser or continue to use Internet Explorer" just like after installing IE 8 beta they ask "continue to use existing search provider or select your own".

This way, they don't even need a browser to download. Welcome center can connect to Microsoft server which will send the data back showing some browsers such as Firefox & Opera. Once the user clicks, the link will connect to Microsoft server, which will then redirect to the manufacturer's website & download the installer & install it.

Giving the user a choice to use a different browser after a fresh windows installation is indeed possible now using Welcome Center in Windows 7 as Windows 7 gives a link to download Windows Live Suite too.

Or....Microsoft should buy Opera & integrate the engine of Opera Browser in Internet Explorer 9. Best of both worlds

 

[desiibond]

yes. Opera may be right. But, why is FF's market share rising?? It's not as closed as opera and safari. Maybe, it's time for Opera to think like Mozilla Foundation instead of thinking like SCO.

If MS removes IE browser from windows, it will be of no use for Opera. People will either download IE or FF. That means that FF's share will increase and Opera will still be having under 1% market share.

yep. MS can give a choice to use a different browser (like the way the give option to use default search engine in IE).

 

[gxsaurav]

yes. Opera may be right. But, why is FF's market share rising?? It's not as closed as opera and safari. Maybe, it's time for Opera to think like Mozilla Foundation instead of thinking like SCO.

True. Firefox is Open Source, standard complaint & it doesn't come bundled with Windows due to which people use it only so why is the market share of Firefox increasing . However, Opera can now sue Linux distributions saying "People use Firefox cos it comes bundled with all linux distro by default"

 

[Coool]

and no option to shut it down...

 

[aura]

I have no problem with Microsoft having Internet Explorer installed with Windows but I really have a problem about the following terms
1) Microsoft makes Live Search the default Search engine (it should have prompted the user)
2) Does not follow web standards
3) Does not give an option to user to uninstall it from windows.