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i5 4430 OR fx 8350 + a new motherboard required

Jaskanwar Singh

Aspiring Novelist
ohh and i think that if tomshardware is the authority on tech then you should check this also :

in all of tomshardware DIY, system builder marathon, IN NO RIG HAVE THEY SUGGESTED A FX 8350 . SO MUCH FOR ........

System Builder Marathon, Q2 2013: System Value Compared - Mini-ITX, Done Three Ways


so the question is are you really more talented than toms guys?

but i am sure, being the amd fans people here are... you will come up with some absurd way to defend your article.

how difficult is it to understand a simple fact that suggesting a processor depends on budget.

first of all, no where we are saying core i5 3570k isnt going to be recommended anywhere. we just try to put in what gives u best for ur budget. and thats what toms did there.
example consider a 70k rig -

70k -

AMD FX-8350 - 11950
ASUS M5A97 EVO R2.0 - 7350
G.Skill F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL - 2100
Sapphire HD7870 XT 2GB Boost - 18000
WD Caviar Blue 1TB - 3876
Asus DRW-24D3ST DVD - 1107
Seasonic SS-750JS - 5479
Corsair Carbide 200R - 3449
Dell S2240L - 8500
Logitech G400 - 1899
Razer Goliathus Fragged Standard - 799
Logitech K200 - 485
APC 1KVA - 4500
Logitech/Creative 2.1 - 2000

Total - 71484

the processor mobo combo is costing 19k~.
i5 3570k itself costs 15k, and u dont get a decent mobo to overclock for 4k. and there is no point of buying a k series if u are too much afraid of touching clocks.
a decent z77 mobo costs 8-10k~, bringing cost to 23-25k.

now where toms suggested an i5 3570k, is a 1300$ pc without any monitor, keyboard-mouse, ups, speakers, and prices are not same as in India of gpus., cpus etc.

coming to the conclusion u posted,
Most surprising to us is Crysis 3's processor requirements. Our benchmark sequence revealed a huge bottleneck that required a Core i5 or i7 just to maintain a 30 FPS minimum frame rate. Although AMD's FX-8350 achieved an average frame rate equivalent to the Core i5-3550, its minimum dips to 21 FPS, causing us to back off from awarding a full recommendation. If a performance-enhancing patch is rolled out, as it was with Skyrim, we'll certainly reconsider.

they are not against it also, as was evident from the comment i posted before.

a dual core system like core i3 is simply not recommended when fx 6300 is priced same. we have seen the case with crysis 3, tomb raider and we will see that in future games.
i agree i5 3450 is good enough for games but no harm is done if u go for fx 8350 which is giving similar performance in crysis 3, tomb raider, far cry 3 and is having higher multi threaded performance.

even now, you are not ready to accept your mistake that crysis does not make use of more than 8 threads. This is your level of acceptance. Which is zero.

it does make use of 8 thread when possible, isnt it good enough to prove it is multi core optimized!!
 
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NoasArcAngel

Wise Old Owl
how difficult is it to understand a simple fact that suggesting a processor depends on budget.

first of all, no where we are saying core i5 3570k isnt going to be recommended anywhere check 90% of the threads, for every pc there is a fx8350. . we just try to put in what gives u best for ur budget. and thats what toms did there.
example consider a 70k rig -

70k -

AMD FX-8350 - 11950 i5 3570k is 13099 from cost to cost. and fx 8350 is 12200
ASUS M5A97 EVO R2.0 - 7350 a z77 motherboard can be bought for 7.5k easy
G.Skill F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL - 2100
Sapphire HD7870 XT 2GB Boost - 18000
WD Caviar Blue 1TB - 3876
Asus DRW-24D3ST DVD - 1107
Seasonic SS-750JS - 5479
Corsair Carbide 200R - 3449
Dell S2240L - 8500
Logitech G400 - 1899
Razer Goliathus Fragged Standard - 799
Logitech K200 - 485
APC 1KVA - 4500
Logitech/Creative 2.1 - 2000

Total - 71484

the processor mobo combo is costing 19k~. therefore overall price difference is 1k
i5 3570k itself costs 15k, and u dont get a decent mobo to overclock for 4k. and there is no point of buying a k series if u are too much afraid of touching clocks.
a decent z77 mobo costs 8-10k~, bringing cost to 23-25k.

secondly, you can make do with a 3.5k psu. So overall you save 1.5k and for amd you need a aftermarket cpu cooler.

now where toms suggested an i5 3570k, is a 1300$ pc, and prices are not same as in India of gpus., cpus etc.

coming to the conclusion u posted,


they are not against it also, as was evident from the comment i posted before. they are not against it granted, but they dont recommend it. if you trust toms, then you trust what they recommend

a dual core system like core i3 is simply not recommended when fx 6300 is priced same. we have seen the case with crysis 3, tomb raider and we will see that in future games.
i agree i5 3450 is good enough for games but no harm is done if u go for fx 8350 which is giving similar performance in crysis 3, tomb raider, far cry 3 and is having higher multi threaded performance.



it does make use of 8 thread when possible, isnt it good enough to prove it is multi core optimized!!

8 threads, not 12. or 16. we have yet to see games, except for these 3-4 examples which really max out the cpu. Because you dont buy a pc only for crysis or tom raider.

and where are you getting the price for fx 8350 as 12k? including tax?

the fx - 8350 can take in almost as much as 340w from the wall itself alone, add to that a gpu etc... So you need a 750w psu just to be on the safe side. and thats the cheapest 750w psu you are suggesting. mostly its a tx 650

if you oc the fx 8350 to 4.8ghz, 364w + 128w for gpu + 25w mobo + drives = 550w. keeping a margin of extra 100w, its 650w.
 
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Jaskanwar Singh

Aspiring Novelist
90% of people in india dont buy a pc above 1 lakh dude!
that price was in smc, it seems its increased but
AMD FX 8350 - AMD: Flipkart.com
12k compared to 15k of i5 3570k.

cost to cost without vat
VAT EXTRA AS APPLICABLE
ALL CPU PRICES ARE WITH PURCHASE OF MOTHERBOARD ONLY

so price difference isnt 1k now.

and u need a aftermarket cooler for both fx 8350 and i5 3570k.
in 3.5k u will get a cx 500 v2. i prefer puting better psu for future profing if ur budget permits.

other games are gpu dependent which at full hd will not create much differences.
any consumer processor with 16 threads?

he fx - 8350 can take in almost as much as 340w from the wall itself alone, add to that a gpu etc... So you need a 750w psu just to be on the safe side. and thats the cheapest 750w psu you are suggesting. mostly its a tx 650

show me proof of 340w
 

NoasArcAngel

Wise Old Owl
90% of people in india dont buy a pc above 1 lakh dude!
that price was in smc, it seems its increased but
AMD FX 8350 - AMD: Flipkart.com
12k compared to 15k of i5 3570k.

cost to cost without vat


so price difference isnt 1k now.


vat is 5%. 5% of 1000 = 50rs.


and u need a aftermarket cooler for both fx 8350 and i5 3570k.
in 3.5k u will get a cx 500 v2. i prefer puting better psu for future profing if ur budget permits.


this is a totally wrong statement, you should invest as little as possible in a psu, because the first thing to go down in a pc is the psu because as the psu ages over time the power efficiency drops. you dont need a aftermarket cooler for i5.


other games are gpu dependent which at full hd will not create much differences.
any consumer processor with 16 threads?



show me proof of 340w

lol sure proof.

system-power.jpg


this is on stock clocks.

i am not comparing flipkart prices. Anyways difference is still 1k only.

power%20graph.png
 

NoasArcAngel

Wise Old Owl
wth

u r taking prices from same website lol.
flipkart prices are with vat.

and 5% of 13099 is 654.95
and vat can be 7% too, i am not sure of this.

such hard maths i must say, right?

and cost to cost ship to whole of india?



so 286-247 = 39, really matters? thats the i7 you are looking at...

i think you dont get the point. take a look at the toms graph, 360w. this much amount of power is running through your mobo, its a fire hazard in itself a ticking atom bomb...

vat is 5% or 7%, price difference is 1k hence max difference after vat can only be 1k + 70rs.

they dont ship, but local pricing is the same.

okay i ran Prime95 and my tempts are going 60+ after first iteration so i stopped it there only .

Didn't wanted to go beyond it .


lol, without ocing. Definitely need an aftermarket cooler.
 

Jaskanwar Singh

Aspiring Novelist
this is a totally wrong statement, you should invest as little as possible in a psu, because the first thing to go down in a pc is the psu because as the psu ages over time the power efficiency drops. you dont need a aftermarket cooler for i5.

dude, i am using my gs 600 since 2 years, and cilus TX 850 V2 is much older etc etc. did they go kaput?
i think thats why we recommend quality psu. moreover we have 3 years, 5 years warranty with these psu, corsair support is great from what i have heard and seasonic quality cant be questioned.

coming to cpu cooler -
Core i5 3570K processor review - Overclocking with Ivy Bridge processors
68-69c max temp with NZXT Kraken X40 liquid cooler. still u think it doesnt need a cpu cooler?

thats the i7 you are looking at...

they have same 77w tdp at stock.
i5 can consume bit less, not huge difference.

i think you dont get the point. take a look at the toms graph, 360w. this much amount of power is running through your mobo, its a fire hazard in itself a ticking atom bomb...

i never came across someone running fx 8350 and bursting his system. and 360 w is system power from wall. it isnt used by processor alone.

they dont ship, but local pricing is the same.

no
 
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NoasArcAngel

Wise Old Owl
dude, i am using my gs 600 since over a year, and cilus TX 850 V2 is much older etc etc. did they go kaput?
i think thats why we recommend quality psu. moreover we have 3 years, 5 years warranty with these psu, corsair support is great from what i have heard and seasonic quality cant be questioned.

coming to cpu cooler -
Core i5 3570K processor review - Overclocking with Ivy Bridge processors
68-69c max temp with NZXT Kraken X40 liquid cooler. still u think it doesnt need a cpu cooler?

you are overclocking to 4.7ghz. look at that also, almost 1.3 ghz over its natural clock. whereas the fx 8350 is base clocked at 4ghz, without overclock the cpu is reaching the same temps which the i5 3570k is reaching after 1.3ghz of overclock

so you tell me is there a comparison ?



they have same 77w tdp at stock and double the threadss.



i never came across someone running fx 8350 and bursting his system. and 360 w is system power from wall. it isnt used by processor alone.

344w is used by the processor alone.



no

you arent going to buy a new pc every 2 years. You want to change the psu every 4 years specially if you overclock.

@jaskanwar dont argue for the sake of arguing, if something is the fact it is. However if you have any doubts i will keep on replying here to prove to you what is right and why.
 

Jaskanwar Singh

Aspiring Novelist
you are overclocking to 4.7ghz. look at that also, almost 1.3 ghz over its natural clock. whereas the fx 8350 is base clocked at 4ghz, without overclock the cpu is reaching the same temps which the i5 3570k is reaching after 1.3ghz of overclock

so you tell me is there a comparison ?

yes i buy a system for running prime 95 every day. i dont play games, neither use any other apps, just prime 95 and those stressful apps.

AMD FX 8350 processor review - Overclocking

52 c max with amd liquid cooler.

its 125w for fx 8350

i am talking of 3570k and 3770k

344w is used by the processor alone.

u know what is a tdp?

@jaskanwar dont argue for the sake of arguing, if something is the fact it is. However if you have any doubts i will keep on replying here to prove to you what is right and why.

it is u who is simply posting wrong info with such a confidence.
 

NoasArcAngel

Wise Old Owl
yes i buy a system for running prime 95 every day. i dont play games, neither use any other apps, just prime 95 and those stressful apps.

AMD FX 8350 processor review - Overclocking

52 c max with amd liquid cooler.

just 700mhz above baseclock and all amd youngone's are jumping in glee with glass eyes, tears running down from their cheeks, feeling so happy that the processor overclocked to 4.7ghz without dying. atleast some one made it to heaven.


really dude? :| 700mhz and 52 temp. Thats pathetic. the i5 can do that on a stock cooler so there you go.


i am talking of 3570k and 3770k



u know what is a tdp?



it is u who is simply posting wrong info with such a confidence.

wrong info? :lol:

get your facts right before entering this forum.

i can only tell you what is right, if you still want to be so stubborn. fine. Cool.

btw

amd sux :D

well, we perform our best under stress dont we? ;)

ohh thats why they made crysis 3, for which you posted the benchmark. Now i remember... prime 95 is for geeks. Crysis is cool ... its so cool that it makes your pc melt.

amd fanboys... everywhere..

what is tdp? please enlighten me... is it " talking dumb problem ? " id see a doctor...
 
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Jaskanwar Singh

Aspiring Novelist
you arent going to buy a new pc every 2 years. You want to change the psu every 4 years specially if you overclock.

nope.

wrong info? :lol:

get your facts right before entering this forum.

i can only tell you what is right, if you still want to be so stubborn. fine. Cool.

btw

amd sux :D

well, we perform our best under stress dont we? ;)

:lol:

well, i am done now. cant argue with u more as its not going anywhere..good bye.
 

The Incinerator

Human Spambot
Get a powerful GPU and non bottle necking CPU,its the GPU that will get you through as long as the CPU is adequate,FX8350 is a brilliant buy when on a budget and still want the power of more than 4 cores which will be a normal necessity in due time.More over the money saved over expensive Intel counterparts will get you afar better GPU,when on a budget.Its a no brainer conclusion.


Not Again & Again:p


So what say OP?
 

rijinpk1

Aspiring Novelist
i can take a sigh of relief for now, the amd wave has been destroyed. Victory is mine .... :twisted:

they wont be back.

How can you tell you that you are the winner?Did Jaskanwar Singh tell that?he just stopped just because it is going no where.
fx 8350-12k(some one in this forum bought it for 11.5k.Check 'show your latest purcahase here' thread and he even has uploaded the photos)
asus m5a97 evo r2.0-8k
gigabyte hd 7970 OC 27.1k
total- 47.1k
now tell me an overclockable intel core i5 config which has the same gaming performance as above amd in 47k?Only a 7950 would fit there. 7970 is superior than 7950 and gaming wise fx 8350 wise rig will be faster.right? If you tell this wrong then I GIVE UP.
It all depends on budget buddy.If you have unlimited budget then ,no problem.But for budget rigs as i mentioned earlier fx 8350 will be faster.also fx 8350 cooler is even capable of overclocking little bit,But intel............. Dont you think so?
now you atlest saw some RECENTLY LAUNCHED games optimized for more threads.What does it mean? Future games will be on the same way. also the new consoles have 8 core amd cpu with HSA architecture.So games are more going to be optimized for amd.You might have heard about Battle field 4.It is going to be exclusively optimized for amd cpu,gpu,apu. SO take budget into consideration as most people buying computers in india wont spend too much unlike people in developed countries.
 

NoasArcAngel

Wise Old Owl
How can you tell you that you are the winner?Did Jaskanwar Singh tell that?he just stopped just because it is going no where.
fx 8350-12k(some one in this forum bought it for 11.5k.Check 'show your latest purcahase here' thread and he even has uploaded the photos)
asus m5a97 evo r2.0-8k
gigabyte hd 7970 OC 27.1k
total- 47.1k
now tell me an overclockable intel core i5 config which has the same gaming performance as above amd in 47k?Only a 7950 would fit there. 7970 is superior than 7950 and gaming wise fx 8350 wise rig will be faster.right? If you tell this wrong then I GIVE UP.
It all depends on budget buddy.If you have unlimited budget then ,no problem.But for budget rigs as i mentioned earlier fx 8350 will be faster.also fx 8350 cooler is even capable of overclocking little bit,But intel............. Dont you think so?
now you atlest saw some RECENTLY LAUNCHED games optimized for more threads.What does it mean? Future games will be on the same way. also the new consoles have 8 core amd cpu with HSA architecture.So games are more going to be optimized for amd.You might have heard about Battle field 4.It is going to be exclusively optimized for amd cpu,gpu,apu. SO take budget into consideration as most people buying computers in india wont spend too much unlike people in developed countries.

i5 3570k - 13k
z77 - 7k
hd 7970 oc : 27.1k

total : 47.1k
 

rijinpk1

Aspiring Novelist
i5 3570k - 13k
z77 - 7k
hd 7970 oc : 27.1k

total : 47.1k

can that z77 keep an overclock of even 4.4Ghz stable with a good cooler?I highly doubt that .You will see your 7k just fried lol with its low vrm design.FOR good overclock you will atleast need to spend 13-14k with good vrm design.

and i5 3570k is at lest 14.5k even in local stores

so count the total value and then consider BUDGET PEOPLE
 
can that z77 keep an overclock of even 4.4Ghz stable with a good cooler?I highly doubt that .You will see your 7k just fried lol with its low vrm design.FOR good overclock you will atleast need to spend 13-14k with good vrm design.

and i5 3570k is at lest 14.5k even in local stores

so count the total value and then consider BUDGET PEOPLE

z77 is just a chipset. Boards with z77 chipset range form 8k and above. For <10k, you'll get AsRock Extreme series boards.
 

avinandan012

Cyborg Agent
@ Jaskanwar Singh ,harshil,cilus and others

I have one thing to say don't feed the troll.

@op when buying within limited budget don't just look at the performance look the price factor also.
The two you mentioned the Intel i5 & fx both are selling near $200 in US. So intel one is better choice but when you come back to India i5 one is near Rs.14000 & fx 8350 is Rs.12000 shipped, so here the fx is better choice. Now to gaming @10180p is limited by the gpu not the cpu that's why you will see people are still able to game @1080p with i3. So get the processor which will not bottleneck the gpu.


Now second thing is to consider is platform(cpu+mobo) cost. Here you will see the gap widen much faster a good overclocking board can be had for fx is around Rs.7.5K, but similar board for the intel will cost around atleast Rs.12K.

Low quality VRMs mean your cpu will be fed with dirty power. Which is bad.
If you want more detail on this just read any document on effect of transient power(DC with some AC left as poor filtering) on VLSI chips.
 
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d3p

PowerHouse
z77 is just a chipset. Boards with z77 chipset range form 8k and above. For <10k, you'll get AsRock Extreme series boards.

There are boards from Gigabyte & intel also which serves the purpose.

[Prices are from S P road] Intel i5 4670k won't cost more than 14k & can be paired with MSI Z87 G43 board 7.5k.

Moreover Intel 4670 cost less than 13k & can be paired with MSI H87 G43 Board, which is below 6.5k.

Flipkart prices are either F*cked up or probably the price increase in upcoming days.
 
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rijinpk1

Aspiring Novelist
Re: i5 4430 OR fx 8350 a new motherboard required

z77 is just a chipset. Boards with z77 chipset range form 8k and above. For <10k, you'll get AsRock Extreme series boards.

i know that. I think i havent mentioned that z77 is not a chipset anywhere;-)
low budget z77 has just 4 phase vrm design and not capable of overclocking heavier. It will just fry. For good overclock a good motherboard in the range 14k or higher may be required.
Afaik asrock extreme 3 and 4 are not good and extreme 6 is well above 10k.
 
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