mail2and said:
first i think many people here have too much money to spend? how can u force any one into using geniune software.
Money isn't the only criterion, buddy. When I spend 45k for my computer, I spend another 6k on a genuine OS because in my own personal opinion, stealing is wrong, whether you do it in a store for a few bucks worth of groceries or you steal from a company's product that expects you to pay for it if you use it. They never ASKED anyone to use their software, they only expect that you pay if you do. I run Linux on a couple of my boxes, but does that mean I can steal to run Windows and a few games on another machine. When was stealing ever OK?
mail2and said:
Try forcing me into using geniune windows xp. whats the use? i pay 6,000 for a crappy, buggy and sh!tty os? thats why i use sumthing else...
Like I said, I am NOT forcing anyone to use Genuine Windows XP. I wasnt talking about the OS alone, I was talking about every other legal software on the face of the planet that expects you to pay for its use, from antivirus programs, firewalls, image editors, workflow management, programming IDEs, and a few thousand others. All I expect people to do is not promote piracy. I am gonna quote the forum rules here:
* No Posts Related To Anything Illegal.
Do not post/discuss/link to anything related to hacking/warez/cracks/pornography, etc. Piracy, and anything related to it is not allowed on this forum.
Now, I think that clearly means one doesn't promote piracy in the forums. Maybe I am mistaken. The moderators can help clarify that for us all. And its not in my place to go around changing the world. I am not a fool to be doing that, nor do I have the inclination for it. This is, after all, the world that nailed a guy to a cross just for saying how good it would be if people were nice to each other for a change.
but my point is... how can any 1 be so arrogant and not force ppl to promote piracy? Is it a big deal that you know 3-4 computer langs frm your course? no it isn't mate...
i guess the problem with ppl in india is egos... you post about some software and u think ur xtra smart?
mail2and said:
even i say piracy rules... try snubbing me.....
You know what, I am not even going to try to. Anyone that can think for himself and knows the basic difference between what's right and what's not can figure out for themselves who's right. That is what you believe and frankly, my beliefs are something totally different and they do not require you to believe in the same things I do. For me, the only thing that matters is doing the right thing. I do something not because its what *I* think is right, but because it REALLY is the right thing to do. Now you can tell yourself and anyone that listens that piracy rules, but we both know the truth deep down inside, and you dont need ME telling you or anyone else what's right. If you believe piracy rules, go ahead, believe in it. I wont try and stop you, leave alone snub you. I dont do that to people.
mail2and said:
i am not that rich to spend 6k buying some crappy OS or 10k buying an un-worthy office application...
Well, the question I was asking was simple. People spend thousands and thousands on their computers and upgrades and yet see software as totally detached and "optional" from hardware. Maybe you and I can install Linux and work with it comfortably enough. But cut the cost of a branded computer by 6000 bucks, and then sell it without an OS and ask the user to install it himself and we'll see how many people would be comfortable with that.
Also, I can personally vouch for the amount of productivity increase and the lower support costs and time spent on getting a task done get cut drastically because of what you term as "unworthy software" Tell that to any sysadmin who works with Office/Exchange/SharePoint or Lotus Notes/Domino and ask him what he thinks about the TCO, time spent on support and then tell me if he thinks its still "unworthy." To each his own!
mail2and said:
piracy will remain till the software will remain high priced. the marginal utility of software is 0. Its an intangible product. you don't get extra performance if you use a genuine software. Thats why piracy is rampant. You price the products within the purchasing powr of the consumer and see. People will buy it. Its not that ppl are averse to buying original software... just that its priced too high!
You dont get extra performance from using genuine software, but you certainly get the support and that is the paramount concern for a company thats using the software, be it Linux or be it Windows or any other software. Support is ALL that a company cares about. And when a company, with tons of money at their disposal, with tons of technicians, support engineers, admins, etc. are worried about support, is it suddenly OK for a home office end user to forgo that support because he didnt purchase genuine software?
And my post was directed at the person who kept saying over and over and over and over again that piracy ruled and people who bought genuine software were (I believe someone called us) "morons." Do you believe in the same thing? That people who buy genuine software are "morons"? I lost my cool because the repeated statements encouraging piracy. And my post was never intended for the people who would consider buying legit software if the prices came down. Its directed at the others, the ones who have explitictly written in these forums that they "would not buy a legal copy for 500 bucks when they can get it for 50 bucks."
mail2and said:
if you know some computer languages or some tricks.. are you god? i feel many people think that they are too intelligent
how can any 1 be so arrogant and not force ppl to promote piracy? Is it a big deal that you know 3-4 computer langs frm your course? no it isn't mate...
i guess the problem with ppl in india is egos... you post about some software and u think ur xtra smart?
and i guess your post should be reported for talking in that manner to another member. funny enuff this forum permits lang like this.... while people with geniune talent(a guy made phpbb hindi lang) are called spammers and banned...
Well, that makes quite a list. I never said I was God, I never said I knew 3-4 programming languages, I never claimed I was intelligent, in fact, I never claimed ANYTHING. If you think I am stupid, egomaniacal, arrogant, abusive, then please, report me to the Moderators. They can take a look at all I've said and if they think I am wrong, they can kick me out or ask me to leave and I will do so.
And oh, the problem with India is not egos, its because people dont do the right thing when they should be doing it. Its sad that when Kalam tries to promote open source as an alternative to high priced software, people would still prefer to pirate than to switch and sacrifice a bit of functionality. As for me, you are free to flame me all you want, I am not going to lash out at you, or try to snub you or whatever. In the end, people will only believe what they want to believe, and not me or anyone else can convince them otherwise. If you think I am being arrogant by doing what's right, oh well, there's nothing I can do to convince you otherwise. If the Moderators tell me I am wrong and arrogant and stupid and what-not, then I will apologize publicly and bow out.