High End PC (Intel Haswell Based) Please Read

Ironman

In the zone
As far as i researched i came up with this

Before i go into my future PC Plan
i think i should tell you guys about my present pc
P4 + matx + 200 gb HDD + acer 17 "

and its been a loooong time that i have not upgraded ............ its practically dead except i can only surf properly
these days

So in order to be a little future proof
i came up with the following configuration:
*****************************************
i7 4770k

ASUS Z87 Pro or Deluxe (For the WiFi and AISuite III ..... i like the features)

16 GB Ram (8GB x 2) (Corsair or G.Skill)

HDD:1TB (Multiple OS, Freq used things , Should be High quality Reliable) + 3TB (DATA, Cheap)[Undecided]
SSD:120/128 GB [Undecided]

Monitor: ASUS VG23AH (IPS,LED,Passive3D)

Cabinet/Chassis:[Looking at the following -- Please tell if i have better options][Undecided]
NZXT Phantom 410
CM HAF 912 Advance
(I am looking for cabinets having front USB3.0 ports)

Keyboard , Mouse : [Undecided] (My Old Logitech Gaming Keyboard & Mouse Died Last year , from then on i am using a cheap chinese (frontech) Mouse and keyboard) So if i have enough money after all the other things i can buy good Keyboard and Mouse

Headphone with Mic:I am looking for a good quality budget Headphone with Mic (Hopefully Wireless & Full of Features like Controls in Headset etc) if wire less really not possible then Wired one will also Do

GPU:
I'm thinking of getting a Sapphire 7950 Vapor-X or some other 7950 Model/Brand
also considering that the new AMD will release in a couple of months !! [Undecided]

UPS:(Old one is Fried)
Need one UPS ,not sure of the Voltage needed ?? [Undecided]

PSU: (Which is good enough 650 W or 500 W)[Undecided]
i've picked these (should choose any one based on availability)
PSU: 650W
• Seasonic Platinum-660 (SS-660XP2 Active PFC F3)
• Seasonic X-650 (SS-650KM3 Active PFC F3)
• Seasonic G-650 (SSR-650RM Active PFC F3)
• Corsair HX Series HX650 Power Supply — 650 Watt 80 PLUS® Gold Certified Modular PSU
• Antec EA-650 Platinum
• Corsair TX Series™ Modular TX650M — 80 PLUS® Bronze Modular Power Supply
• Corsair TX Series™ TX650 — 80 PLUS® Bronze Power Supply
• Corsair GS Series™ GS600 — 80 PLUS® Bronze “2013 Edition”
• Antec EA-650 Green (80 Plus Bronze)
PSU 500W
• Seasonic X-560 (SS-560KM Active PFC F3)
• Seasonic G-550 (SSR-550RM Active PFC F3)
• Antec EA-550 Platinum
• Antec EA-550 Green
• Antec BP550 Plus
• Corsair CX500 — 80 PLUS® Bronze Certified Power Supply
• Corsair CX Series™ Modular CX500M ATX Power Supply


Now The Questions :

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans:
Matlab,Programming,Gaming (Heavy Gaming like Skyrim AC3 Crysis 3 FC3 Grid2 ) ,Mathematica,Photoshop,Browsing,Audio Editing,Movie Play(HD),Rosetta Stone ,Multiple OS (MacOS X , Linux 3 to 4 Flavors, Win 7 , Win 8) , Android Dev Tools , Visual Studio , Virtual Machine , Emulators (PS2,Wii,Old Consoles)
Dragon Nuance Software

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans:
I am Looking towards 1 Lac (anything less is good) if i have to extend then i am willing if its that necessary
Also i am looking a future proof machine ,as many here might have guessed i don't upgrade frequently.
So the Money Should be well Spent (Except GPU Which is the only part i might Change if necessary.)

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans:Yes Of course
Both CPU and GPU , but Later

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans:
Multiple OS (MacOS X , Linux 3 to 4 Flavors, Win 7 , Win 8 , and trusted XP SP3) [all 64 bit i presume as opposed to my present system (32 bit)]

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans:
SSD 120/128 GB (Primary OS & Cache Buffer (ISRT))
1TB(Multi OS & Application)
3TB(Data)

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans:
i have a 17 " Acer LCD OLD TN
i want to buy a new one
i Selected
ASUS VG23AH (IPS LED Passive 3D)
if you have any other BETTER option then tell me.

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans:
Speakers & (keyboard & Mouse if Cost of other components is greater than 1 lac)

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans:
Sooner the Better

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans:
Yes i did

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans:
Locally and (Online if prices are lesser than local counterparts)


11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans:
If the Price gets More than 1 lac (as i am not paying so parents insisted to keep it within 1 lac) so suggest me which one should i avoid buying now and should buy later (like 6 months or 1 year). ie what should i remove from my list

P.S..... Please Be Descriptive in your Reply and Read my Post Properly before replying
 
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bssunilreddy

Chosen of the Omnissiah
As far as i researched i came up with this

Before i go into my future PC Plan
i think i should tell you guys about my present pc
P4 + matx + 200 gb HDD + acer 17 "

and its been a loooong time that i have not upgraded ............ its practically dead except i can only surf properly
these days

So in order to be a little future proof
i came up with the following configuration:
**********************************************************
i7 4770k

ASUS Z87 Pro or Deluxe (For the WiFi and AISuite III ..... i like the features)

16 GB Ram (8GB x 2) (Corsair or G.Skill)

HDD:1TB (Multiple OS, Freq used things , Should be High quality Reliable) + 3TB (DATA, Cheap)[Undecided]
SSD:120/128 GB [Undecided]

Monitor: ASUS VG23AH (IPS,LED,Passive3D)

Cabinet/Chassis:[Looking at the following -- Please tell if i have better options][Undecided]
NZXT Phantom 410
CM HAF 912 Advance
(I am looking for cabinets having front USB3.0 ports)

Keyboard , Mouse : [Undecided] (My Old Logitech Gaming Keyboard & Mouse Died Last year , from then on i am using a cheap chinese (frontech) Mouse and keyboard) So if i have enough money after all the other things i can buy good Keyboard and Mouse

Headphone with Mic:I am looking for a good quality budget Headphone with Mic (Hopefully Wireless & Full of Features like Controls in Headset etc) if wire less really not possible then Wired one will also Do

GPU:
I'm thinking of getting a Sapphire 7950 Vapor-X or some other 7950 Model/Brand
also considering that the new AMD will release in a couple of months !! [Undecided]

UPS:(Old one is Fried)
Need one UPS ,not sure of the Voltage needed ?? [Undecided]

PSU: (Which is good enough 650 W or 500 W)[Undecided]
i've picked these (should choose any one based on availability)
PSU: 650W
• Seasonic Platinum-660 (SS-660XP2 Active PFC F3)
• Seasonic X-650 (SS-650KM3 Active PFC F3)
• Seasonic G-650 (SSR-650RM Active PFC F3)
• Corsair HX Series HX650 Power Supply — 650 Watt 80 PLUS® Gold Certified Modular PSU
• Antec EA-650 Platinum
• Corsair TX Series™ Modular TX650M — 80 PLUS® Bronze Modular Power Supply
• Corsair TX Series™ TX650 — 80 PLUS® Bronze Power Supply
• Corsair GS Series™ GS600 — 80 PLUS® Bronze “2013 Edition”
• Antec EA-650 Green (80 Plus Bronze)
PSU 500W
• Seasonic X-560 (SS-560KM Active PFC F3)
• Seasonic G-550 (SSR-550RM Active PFC F3)
• Antec EA-550 Platinum
• Antec EA-550 Green
• Antec BP550 Plus
• Corsair CX500 — 80 PLUS® Bronze Certified Power Supply
• Corsair CX Series™ Modular CX500M ATX Power Supply


Now The Questions :

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans:
Matlab,Programming,Gaming (Heavy Gaming like Skyrim AC3 Crysis 3 FC3 Grid2 ) ,Mathematica,Photoshop,Browsing,Audio Editing,Movie Play(HD),Rosetta Stone ,Multiple OS (MacOS X , Linux 3 to 4 Flavors, Win 7 , Win 8) , Android Dev Tools , Visual Studio , Virtual Machine , Emulators (PS2,Wii,Old Consoles)
Dragon Nuance Software

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans:
I am Looking towards 1 Lac (anything less is good) if i have to extend then i am willing if its that necessary
Also i am looking a future proof machine ,as many here might have guessed i don't upgrade frequently.
So the Money Should be well Spent (Except GPU Which is the only part i might Change if necessary.)

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans:Yes Of course
Both CPU and GPU , but Later

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans:
Multiple OS (MacOS X , Linux 3 to 4 Flavors, Win 7 , Win 8 , and trusted XP SP3) [all 64 bit i presume as opposed to my present system (32 bit)]

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans:
SSD 120/128 GB (Primary OS & Cache Buffer (ISRT))
1TB(Multi OS & Application)
3TB(Data)

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans:
i have a 17 " Acer LCD OLD TN
i want to buy a new one
i Selected
ASUS VG23AH (IPS LED Passive 3D)
if you have any other BETTER option then tell me.

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans:
Speakers & (keyboard & Mouse if Cost of other components is greater than 1 lac)

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans:
Sooner the Better

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans:
Yes i did

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans:
Locally and (Online if prices are lesser than local counterparts)


11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans:
If the Price gets More than 1 lac (as i am not paying so parents insisted to keep it within 1 lac) so suggest me which one should i avoid buying now and should buy later (like 6 months or 1 year). ie what should i remove from my list

P.S..... Please Be Descriptive in your Reply and Read my Post Properly before replying

Here goes the Rigs for you:

AMD based RIG

[FONT=&quot]AMD FX 8350[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]11500[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Asus Sabertooth 990FX/Gen3 R2.0[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]16500[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Zotac GTX760 AMP Edition[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22200[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14500[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]G.Skill RipjawsX 8GB 2133MHz[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5300[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Corsair H60 2013 Edition[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4300[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Coolermaster HAF XB[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7000[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Seasonic SS-650KM[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8500[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]APC UPS Pro 1000VA[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7000[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Coolermaster 140mm 2 RED LED fans[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1200[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Coolermaster 80mm 2 RED LED fans[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]900[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Asus 24B5ST DVD-RW[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1100[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]TOTAL[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]100000[/FONT]

WD Black 1TB -5500.

Intel based RIG

[FONT=&quot]Intel Core i5 4670k[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]16500[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Asus Gryphon Z87[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]14500[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Zotac GTX760 AMP Edition[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]22200[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]14500[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]G.Skill RipjawsX 8GB 2133MHz[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]5300[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Corsair H60 2013 Edition[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]4300[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Coolermaster HAF XB[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]7000[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Seasonic SS-650KM[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]8500[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]APC UPS Pro 1000VA[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]7000[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Coolermaster 140mm 2 RED LED fans[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]1200[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Coolermaster 80mm 2 RED LED fans[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]900[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Asus 24B5ST DVD-RW[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]1100[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]TOTAL[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]103000[/FONT]

WD Black 1TB -5500.
 
OP
Ironman

Ironman

In the zone
thanks but i want to have wifi
and
i think you missed out monitor

seriously?? no comments from so many knowledgeable user of TDF ???
i was looking forward to having some real good conversation about the config

and i am not a AMD guy . i like intel
 

Cilus

laborare est orare
Buddy, I have analyzed your requirements as as per me, you should go with FX-8350 instead of i5 4670K. Here is a AMD configuration for your need where I have included a CPU Cooler, a very beefy GPU like HD 7970, 16 GB Ram, 2 TB HDD and a 120GB SSD which you have asked for. Also I have added a 750W PSU which will help you for overclocking and stability and a gaming mouse for better gaming experience.

AMD FX-8350 @ 12K
Deep Cool Frostwin CPU Cooler @ 2.83K
MSI 990FXA-GD65 @ 8.2K
G-Skill RipjawX 1600 MHz 8GB X 2 @ 8.8K
Seagate 2 TB 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Sata 6 Gbps HDD (ST2000DM001) @ 5.9K
Samsung 840 series 120 GB HDD @ 6.2K
Seasonic SS-750JS 750W 80+ PSU @ 5.6K
Sapphire HD 7970 3GB GDDDR5 @ 28.5K
Corsair 400R Cabinet @ 4.8K
Dell S2240L 21.5" IPS LED Full HD (1920X1080) @ 8.5K
Asus 24B5ST DVD-RW @ 1K
APC 1.1 KVA @ 5K
Lenovo M6811 1600 DPI 5 Btn Laser Gaming Mouse @ 0.65K

Total: 97.98 or 98K.


With the extra 2K, you can get couple of 120mm high CFM fans like CM Xtraflow which will help you to provide better airflow and cooling inside your cabinet.

Regarding AMD or Intel, I have suggested what will provide you the best solution within your budget and specially provides good performance for apllications you have asked for. i5 4670K is not at all any good competitor against FX-8350 in multithreaded applications You can check reviews by itself. Another thing is Virtualization and Linux. FX series does offer better virtualization support than Intel K series processors and in Linux, FX-8350 is comparable to i7 3770K due to proper thread management.

If you want to go with Intel i7 3770K + Z77 should be the best choice for you but I haven't recommended it because it has reached its End of Life already and future upgrade will be problematic. i7 4770K offers very les improvement over it but costs more than 3K over it and simply not recommended here.
 

d3p

PowerHouse
@OP :

Here is my recommendations.

Processor : AMD FX-8350 - 12K
After Market Cooler : CM Hyper 212x [new] - 2k
Motherboard : Asus M5A99FX Pro R2.0 - 11.5K [6+2 VRM enough for taking the processor for a wild ride]
RAM : Kingston HyperX 8GBx1 1600MHz - 4.2k [Add one more, when required]
SSD : Samsung 840 series 120 GB HDD - 6.2K
HDD : You can add any amount of HDD, based on your requirements at any point of time. Spend the money on the core components.
PSU : Seasonic SS-750JS 750W 80+ PSU - 5.6K
GPU : Zotac GTX770 - 35k or HD7970 - 26k
Cabinet : Corsair Carbide 400R - 4.8K
OD : Asus 24B5ST DVD-RW - 1K
Monitor : ASUS VG23AH - 19k. I would recommend Dell Ultrsharp U2412M for all requirements. I also cost you less compared to Asus one, but no 3D gaming. If 3D gaming is the requirement, then stick to Nvidia Based Solution than AMD.
UPS : APC 1.1 KVA - 5K

Peripherals : KB & Mice preferences are completely based on your gaming requirements. Grab a Mechanical KB, along with either Razer Deathadder 2013 or Steelseries ikari Optical for gaming. Also get a Steelseries Quick Mass Medium Mouse pad.

Total : 97.3 excluding the HDD's & Input Peripherals along with HD7970.
 

abhidev

Human Spambot
thanks but i want to have wifi
and
i think you missed out monitor

seriously?? no comments from so many knowledgeable user of TDF ???
i was looking forward to having some real good conversation about the config

and i am not a AMD guy . i like intel
hey check my siggy for the config...I recently built a Haswell based config(just cpu, mobo and RAM) ....I too was thinking to get ASUS Z87 Pro for inbuilt wifi..but its too costly and thought instead I would buy a Rs.600 wifi adapter.
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
@ Ironman

If you want to install Mac OSX ( Hackintosh), then forget AMD. You won't be able to install OSX in AMD systems as the kernel doesn't support AMD cpu's as of now.

Intel is your only option considering your requirements. i5 4670k isn't that much behind in heavily threaded apps. It scores good too and does that consuming far less power than 8350.

See the multicore performance of 4670k vs 8350 here :

Intel Core i5-4670K Multi-tasking and Overall Performance | bit-tech.net

I suggest 4670k for your usage.
 

Nerevarine

Incarnate
Why's everyone recommending FX8350 over Haswell ?? OP clearly stated that he's going to game a lot and any Haswell obliterates FX8350 in terms of gaming benchmarks
 

Extreme Gamer

僕はガンダム!
Vendor
Why's everyone recommending FX8350 over Haswell ?? OP clearly stated that he's going to game a lot and any Haswell obliterates FX8350 in terms of gaming benchmarks


But look at everything else he said he would do. IMHO, he should get a 4770k.
 

Cilus

laborare est orare
^^ Exactly, either a FX 8 Core Processor or a Hyperthreaded Intel Processor. I didn't suggest him 4770K because of its high price and actually recommended i7 3770K.
Why's everyone recommending FX8350 over Haswell ?? OP clearly stated that he's going to game a lot and any Haswell obliterates FX8350 in terms of gaming benchmarks
Not at all. FX-8350 provides pretty much comparable performance with 4670K, specially with the newer multi-threaded optimized games while being available at 4K cheaper price. And you are forgetting one thing, all the benchmarks are done with same powerful Graphics card. But here, if OP goes with FX-8350, he can accommodate and HD 7970 whereas he is restricted to a GTX 760 while going with the Intel configuration due to his budget as he needs a lot of other components too. Tell me, FX-8350 + HD 7970 or i5 4670K + GTX 760; which one is going to perform better in gaming? And as Extreme Gamer pointed out, look at his other requirements too.
 
OP
Ironman

Ironman

In the zone
^^ Exactly, either a FX 8 Core Processor or a Hyperthreaded Intel Processor. I didn't suggest him 4770K because of its high price and actually recommended i7 3770K.

So getting a i7 3770k is not bad ? , i was thinking of it before but
thought as it is already at its end of life cycle so it is better to go for i7 4***

FX-8350 + HD 7970 or i5 4670K + GTX 760 has a point ! though

MAN !! everything's so expensive !!:-x

@ ALL
Thanks for all the replies

A question popped up in my mind
after reading this
AMD Radeon HD 9000 Graphics Series Set for October Release

should i skip the GPU for now and buy a few months later ?
as 7*** series is already at the end of its life cycle !
 

Extreme Gamer

僕はガンダム!
Vendor
^^ Exactly, either a FX 8 Core Processor or a Hyperthreaded Intel Processor. I didn't suggest him 4770K because of its high price and actually recommended i7 3770K.

Not at all. FX-8350 provides pretty much comparable performance with 4670K, specially with the newer multi-threaded optimized games while being available at 4K cheaper price. And you are forgetting one thing, all the benchmarks are done with same powerful Graphics card. But here, if OP goes with FX-8350, he can accommodate and HD 7970 whereas he is restricted to a GTX 760 while going with the Intel configuration due to his budget as he needs a lot of other components too. Tell me, FX-8350 + HD 7970 or i5 4670K + GTX 760; which one is going to perform better in gaming? And as Extreme Gamer pointed out, look at his other requirements too.

Bro, GTX 770 is a much better deal than HD 7970, if attainable at ~30k.

It's not a rehashed GTX 680 like you posted elsewhere. The PCB is the same design, but the components on it have been tweaked. The RAM is a much higher quality set, and the GPUs are a better revision (comparable to steppings for Intel CPUs).

So getting a i7 3770k is not bad ? , i was thinking of it before but
thought as it is already at its end of life cycle so it is better to go for i7 4***

FX-8350 + HD 7970 or i5 4670K + GTX 760 has a point ! though

MAN !! everything's so expensive !!:-x

@ ALL
Thanks for all the replies

A question popped up in my mind
after reading this
AMD Radeon HD 9000 Graphics Series Set for October Release

should i skip the GPU for now and buy a few months later ?
as 7*** series is already at the end of its life cycle !

I would avoid Ivy bridge if I were you.

I think you should just hold on for a couple of months and increase budget then if possible (otherwise we'll work it out within this one later).
 

Cilus

laborare est orare
Actually why you shouldn't go with Ivy Bridge or any Processor which has already reached EOL is because say after 2 and half year, you got a faulty motherboard and it will be very difficult to get a new one on that time and might result to change both CPU and motherboard.

Extreme Gamer, GTX 770 does have a better PCB design and higher memory speed but it is nothing but a revised GTX 680 with some tweak. I think you know there is a official BIOS update released by nVidia for GTX 680 which will turn your GTX 680 to operate at GTX 770's Core clock speed and and memory speed.
For testing that, Hardocp has performed a test, consisting of GTX 770, a custom PCB based GTX 680, MSI 680 Lightning for replocating the 770 behavior and a HD 7970 GHz edition with all of them are overcloked at their maximum level. In the test, they have observed than when running at same speed, GTX 680 and GTX 770 perform very similarly, with 770 having 2 to 3% lead in some games. HD 7970 at 1200 MHz+ speed sometimes exceeded GTX 770 in high memory bandwidth demanding games.
And I didn't find GTX 770 anywhere at 30K, it is 32K in most of the sites. Could you confirm 30K availability in Kolkata shops? Otherwise at 28.5K, HD 7970 is a very good choice if OP can overclock it properly. But if he can arrange an GTX 770 at 30K price point then he can easily opt for that.
 

Extreme Gamer

僕はガンダム!
Vendor
Although the BIOS may be official, the RAM chips on the 680 are rated at 6Ghz (for reference models). When you tweak the 680 to 770 levels, you cannot guarantee that the GPU will remain as reliable as the 770 over a larger span of time. Obviously the MSI lighting will take it just fine. Reference model BIOS flash is the real acid test for the 680.

I will stick to my guns and not call it a rehashed 680. It's a new model just like the GTS 250 was to the 9800GTX/GTX+ which were to the 8800GTS 512MB. Feel free to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Even if the 770 is 32k, I would choose that over the 7970 because for 3.5k more you are getting considerable improvement vs 7970. If I had to extend my budget by 2k to fit a considerably better GPU, I would do it.
 
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Cilus

laborare est orare
You tell me one thing, if it BIOS update is a acid test for GTX 680, how can that be an official release from nVidia itself?
Plenty of people have upgraded their GTX 680 to the 770 BIOS and I personally know couple of them. They are working just fine and if you check in Internet, I don't think you will find any report of 680 getting damaged with 770 BIOS update. And at a price of 30K, you will find plenty of custom version of HD 7970 which are already ruuning at 1000 MHz+ speed and can be overclocked in far higher degree. For example, HD 7970 Vapor-X edition or Direct CU II. All the modern cards from both nVidia and AMD do have very good overclocking potential due to their lower power consumption and better fabrication process and even without a custom PCB, a 7970 can be overclocked to 1100 MHz+ with a custom cooler with ease. You can check the reviews of HD 7970 with custom cooler and check the overclocking potential of it. And at this speed, performance difference between a 770 and 7970 is negligible in real world, less than 2 to 3% in maximum games.

For example, you can just use the Boost BIOS for a standard HD 7950 to make it run at 950 MHz from the standard 850 MHz. Here nVidia is just using a new name whereas AMD has sticked to same with with added boost suffix.
 

Extreme Gamer

僕はガンダム!
Vendor
You tell me one thing, if it BIOS update is a acid test for GTX 680, how can that be an official release from nVidia itself?
Plenty of people have upgraded their GTX 680 to the 770 BIOS and I personally know couple of them. They are working just fine and if you check in Internet, I don't think you will find any report of 680 getting damaged with 770 BIOS update. And at a price of 30K, you will find plenty of custom version of HD 7970 which are already ruuning at 1000 MHz+ speed and can be overclocked in far higher degree. For example, HD 7970 Vapor-X edition or Direct CU II. All the modern cards from both nVidia and AMD do have very good overclocking potential due to their lower power consumption and better fabrication process and even without a custom PCB, a 7970 can be overclocked to 1100 MHz+ with a custom cooler with ease. You can check the reviews of HD 7970 with custom cooler and check the overclocking potential of it. And at this speed, performance difference between a 770 and 7970 is negligible in real world, less than 2 to 3% in maximum games.

For example, you can just use the Boost BIOS for a standard HD 7950 to make it run at 950 MHz from the standard 850 MHz. Here nVidia is just using a new name whereas AMD has sticked to same with with added boost suffix.

Since when did ~2 months (since GTX 770 release) become sufficient amount of time for reliable data? Besides, Nvidia does not have to service these products if they break. That is the manufacaturer's liability.

Also, I am not claiming that the GPU core will not reach GTX 770 specifications. If you saw my argument, I talked about the memory. 250Mhz above specification is not a joke dude. You can't say that it is safe for the long term within a small span of 2 months

I have yet to hear of an HD 7970 Ghz edition that crosses 1300Mhz (within safe voltage limits). And FYI, you could just overclock the GTX 770 and then that would also surpass the overclocked HD 7970 Ghz edition.

Please, rebut my argument, change my view. But use facts to do so, not hearsay.

Besides, you did not even notice that Nvidia did not release a BIOS for the GTX 680 to run it a t GTX 770 speeds. It is users who are flashing GTX 770 BIOSes onto their GTX 680s. Do not post false information.

TL;DR- There is NO "Official" Nvidia released BIOS to turn the GTX 680 into a GTX 770.

Proof: hardOCP says no :lol:
Tom's says the "GTX 770" bios floating around is a tweaked 680 BIOS, and echoes my view about the DRAM

P.S.- Don't misquote my "acid test" statement. I said that custom boards like the lighting can reach 7000Mhz, but this is not necessarily the case for reference GTX 680. Different people are reporting different results about memory clocks during overclocking. The real acid test is whether all reference GTX 680s can handle the GTX 770 spec exactly fine (not all can).
 
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Extrme Gamer, sorry for the misleading information I have posted regarding BIOS. I was misinformed regarding that.

I have yet to hear of an HD 7970 Ghz edition that crosses 1300Mhz (within safe voltage limits). And FYI, you could just overclock the GTX 770 and then that would also surpass the overclocked HD 7970 Ghz edition.

This is a wrong information. In my 1st post, I have asked you check the Hardocp review of the three cards, 770 Lightning, 680 Lightning and Gigabyte HD 7970 OC. Here is the link: HARDOCP - MSI GeForce GTX 770 Lightning - MSI N770 Lightning Overclocking Review

Even with voltage tweak, they were not able to overclock a GTX 770 over 1300 MHz. And mind it, it is a MSI Lightning version, not a stock one. And please read the performance summary or conclusion page properly. I am quoting from them:-
When we overclocked the Radeon HD 7970 to 1275MHz (which is a high overclock for that GPU), we got a great boost of performance out of the HD 7970. At that frequency the HD 7970 was matching performance with the MSI N770 Lightning overclocked. It was close in all but Tomb Raider, where HD 7970 blew away the competition. A highly clocked Radeon HD 7970 is no joke, it competes quite well.

I guess I am putting the facts here, not hearsay
 
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