Have most porn sites just been blocked in India?

[gemini90]

[MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] And I mentioned it previously, the centre would prefer not to come across as a negligent and lethargic party in light of court's observatiions when the it is continuously asking what the centre plans to do concerning the demands raised by plaintiff. They would prefer to err on the side of caution. And this same media would have screwed the gov if it's stand were to be exact opposite in light of sexual assaults against young children. And already, Ravi Shankar Prasad - IT Minister has said that this blockade is temporary till 8th of August. And that all sites, except those serving Chils pornogrophy will be unblocked subject to court's directive.

Regarding that counter affidavit, the court expects centre to take some action and notify the supreme court about the same.

 

[GhorMaanas]

as i see it (may be a bit off here-or-there), the SC was prodding the GoI with the question "what are you doing on this matter; why no blockade still?!", because the SC itself was being repeatedly nagged by the petitioner, who was giving submissions upon submissions. GoI earlier tried to reason out with the SC that such a 'ban' would be futile, but on repeated nudging by the SC, it took the shortest route possible (jhak maarkar kuchh bhi karke dikhaao ki kuchh to kar rahe hain), and imposed a block, apparently perhaps to give an indication to the SC of what will follow such a measure (which is, outrage)...the flak by public would force the govt. to slowly remove the block, and SC by now would've realised that there's no quick solution to it other than lengthy amendments in laws and new formulations, which is what has been the GoI's stand since atleast 2 years. Aug. 10's verdict could reflect some of this.

 

[Faun]

[MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] And I mentioned it previously, the centre would prefer not to come across as a negligent and lethargic party in light of court's observatiions when the it is continuously asking what the centre plans to do concerning the demands raised by plaintiff. And already, Ravi Shankar Prasad - IT Minister has said that this blockade is temporary till 8th of August. And that all sites, except those serving Chils pornogrophy will be unblocked subject to court's directive.

Well..the ban is getting lifted because it was idiotic to begin with. May be next time they do the homework.
India reverses ban on Internet porn after public outrage, ridicule | Stuff.co.nz

You should read petitioner's report to see the conformation bias and the lengths at which he has exaggerated it, drawing parallels to holocaust.
*docs.google.com/file/d/0B-e-lXh7NmVmbGNXT1BraHF5RUU/edit

 

[GhorMaanas]

i say best would be govt. formulate a new more refined law and table it in the parliament and then let congress oppose it if they want to. more than whether it gets easily passed or not, people would get some message out of it, which the lack of proper communication presently didn't help with (on the contrary bhadd hi pitwa di/fired on own foot).

 

[Faun]

Most probably influenced by the sporadically coming reports of some low-class people or esp. minors committing ‘experiments’ post/while watching garam clips. That’s one of the shortest routes to take.

Probably they should include sex education in schools and teach respect for women at home so that people don't treat them inferior. I have seen how women are treated in villages, certainly at that time there was no access to internet porn.

It's the cultural problem deeply rooted in mindset of people.

 

[gemini90]

[MENTION=120775]GhorMaanas[/MENTION] I guess that would be the best approach. Gov has far more important job like getting the LAB, GST bills passed during this session. Their fruits will take time to ripen. Let x/y whatever generation spend their time on rubbish issues.

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[MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION]

You should read petitioner's report to see the conformation bias and the lengths at which he has exaggerated it drawing parallels with holocaust.

And do you seriously think that the supreme court would not have taken that exaggeration into account while going forward through the case? It will not be first time that a plaintiff has exaggerated his case.

 

[rhitwick]

Just dropping by...
TOI or HT published all site names that were banned, hope someone noted them!

 

[GhorMaanas]

Probably they should include sex education in schools and teach respect for women at home so that people don't treat them inferior. I have seen how women are treated in villages, certainly at that time there was no access to internet porn.

It's the cultural problem deeply rooted in mindset of people.

that's a valid point and could go a long way in a 'holistic treatment'. though would add that the problem isn't limited to India alone and is worldwide (ie, p0rn additionally as a catalyser, esp. among immature/lesser aware or the inebriated among the masses). but for our purpose limited to India, that's very much a need of the times.

 

[Faun]

And frankly, this fear of hindutwadi brigade has become a phobia with many of the liberal kind. It's like that scene in batman vs superman - 'The red capes are coming! The red capes are coming!' This is the same chaiwalla and his hindutva gov who is on the verge of solving the north-east problem forever.

It's not the fear of hindutva. It's the version of hindutva that they wield which is inherently myopic and detrimental to a progressing society. A culture is not something suspended in time. It evolves with time. We were at the forefront of writing stuff about sex (kamasutra), creating sculptures (khajuraho). It was never a taboo to begin with. It was a part of society and culture. What irks me is the short sightedness of these pseudo hindutva birgade handled by self proclaimed head of Hinduism under the names of VHP and RSS. These are the people who would send their progeny to vilayat but would keep other misinformed just for their power play. Just so that they can manipulate the youth with their sticks.

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Just dropping by...
TOI or HT published all site names that were banned, hope someone noted them!

It's already out there. I wonder how petitioner came up with the number. I am pretty sure he could have spent months coming up with all that is there and still growing by the time he would have finished.

 

[GhorMaanas]

Just dropping by...
TOI or HT published all site names that were banned, hope someone noted them!

we have those lists somewhere in the earlier pages of this thread.

 

[Faun]

[MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION]

And do you seriously think that the supreme court would not have taken that exaggeration into account while going forward through the case? It will not be first time that a plaintiff has exaggerated his case.

Let's wait for their decision. Give me an example where holocaust is used to justify porn ban.

It is worse than Hitler, worse than AIDS, cancer or any other epidemic. It is more catastrophic than nuclear holocaust, and it must be stopped.

 

[GhorMaanas]

It's not the fear of hindutva. It's the version of hindutva that they wield which is inherently myopic and detrimental to a progressing society. A culture is not something suspended in time. It evolves with time. We were at the forefront of writing stuff about sex (kamasutra), creating sculptures (khajuraho). It was never a taboo to begin with. It was a part of society and culture. What irks me is the short sightedness of these pseudo hindutva birgade handled by self proclaimed head of Hinduism under the names of VHP and RSS. These are the people who would send their progeny to vilayat but would keep other misinformed just for their power play. Just so that they can manipulate the youth with their sticks.

would agree to that, albeit with a slight digression, that both being overly-moralistic or feverishly defending any voyeurism would be detrimental to a progressive society/culture, otherwise the debate on it may well be a descent to a bottomless pit ('debates' anyway are generally of little consequence than the mentioned). would request everyone, not just any individual, to please not fall into the trap of cliche and fallacious arguments, if its esp. equating something like p0rnography with our sculptures/temples and treatises. have seen this impulsive response quite oft in the past. its not correct. p0rn is not a representation of either the celebration of sex or the treatises. no one's debating about sexuality (except may be the overly-moralistic), but kindly don't denigrate the value of heritage from past by thinking/promulgating the popular view that something like p0rnography is a representation of the former (or vice-versa). request your understanding.

 

[gemini90]

[MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] I don't know about any other case regarding porn ban. So can't give you a similar example. And I was talking about each and every case that has come to SC. Why do you think people get sued for obscene amounts but never end up paying that much exactly?

That lawyer was hired by his client to represent her case. And if lawyer felt certain statements have to be made to put across their point well enough, he has that freedom. It's for the court to decide whether the comments are warranted or not. From the same link as an example -

Appearing for the Petitioner, Advocate Vijay Panjwani made certain remarks against the Secretaries of some concerned Ministries over the issue which was objected to by the bench and junior advocates appearing for the Centre. Objecting to this, bench said that such comments were uncalled for.

As for RSS issue, well i have exact opposite views regarding them. And that comes with knowing the work they do away from media glare. And Modi and VHP themselves are not exactly the biggest fans of each other. So rest assured, VHP is not going to start any moralistic campaign and break laws under this government.

 

[Anorion]

I don't think hindutva has anything to do with it in this case
sure the guy who asked for the ban might be a whackjob.
but guess the court considered the proposition of banning those sites on it's own merit and found their own reasons

I just think all kinds of media has it's priorities totally wrong now, all kinds of nonsense is getting too much footage and occupying too much mind space

 

[Faun]

would agree to that, albeit with a slight digression, that both being overly-moralistic or feverishly defending any voyeurism would be detrimental to a progressive society/culture, otherwise the debate on it may well be a descent to a bottomless pit ('debates' anyway are generally of little consequence than the mentioned). would request everyone, not just any individual, to please not fall into the trap of cliche and fallacious arguments, if its esp. equating something like p0rnography with our sculptures/temples and treatises. have seen this impulsive response quite oft in the past. its not correct. p0rn is not a representation of either the celebration of sex or the treatises. no one's debating about sexuality (except may be the overly-moralistic), but kindly don't denigrate the value of heritage from past by thinking/promulgating the popular view that something like p0rnography is a representation of the former (or vice-versa). request your understanding.

Alright, tell me how do we produce new kamasutra and build more khajuraho temples without outcry from dhongi Hindutva brigade.

It's just the way of thinking. A porn actress or actor is doing his/her job. Is it lesser than any other job or does it denigrate them ? It's our perception that does.

I think the evaluation lies within our culture. We deem sweepers, peons, chaiwalla etc as of some lower stature. You would be surprised to see that these people are seen as holding a respectable job is other developed countries. There is no sense of inferiority in doing their job. And they earn good too.

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As for RSS issue, well i have exact opposite views regarding them. And that comes with knowing the work they do away from media glare. And Modi and VHP themselves are not exactly the biggest fans of each other. So rest assured, VHP is not going to start any moralistic campaign and break laws under this government.

The lower cadres are people who do good work at times. I have seen my colleagues going to shaka too with the intention of helping others. But the head honchos are something to worry about.

 

[GhorMaanas]

I don't think hindutva has anything to do with it in this case
sure the guy who asked for the ban might be a whackjob.
but guess the court considered the proposition of banning those sites on it's own merit and found their own reasons

I just think all kinds of media has it's priorities totally wrong now, all kinds of nonsense is getting too much footage and occupying too much mind space

lol yes; its been more than 2 weeks now (and counting) that i have avoided venturing anywhere near that section of DTH where all the newschannels are grouped.

i came across this news (from late July) y'day. its an important one, esp. for youth and fora like these, hence sharing it here. i guess it didn't get any footage by our newswallahs:

National Career Service

PM Modi has launched India’s biggest, and most comprehensive job portal: National Career Service which aims to connect all existing employment centers, and create one of it’s kind online employment exchange board.

NSC will directly benefit 4.48 crore job seekers who are already registered across 959 employment exchanges across the country. At the time of launch, 2 crore job seekers are already on-board of this massive job portal, and within the next few days, all remaining candidates would find themselves inside their database.

The most striking aspect of NSC is that, not only Govt. jobs, but private jobs would also be listed on the portal. Govt. has already initiated talks to include 900,000 privately registered companies into the portal.

Labor Ministry has allocated a budget of Rs 100 crore to make this portal as ‘one stop destination’ for all types of jobs available in the market. Although registrations are fee, applicants would be required to link their Aadhaar Card with the account to filter out genuine applicants and companies which are registering as employers need to submit their registration papers for authentication.

Out of 4.48 crore job seekers already registered with various employment exchanges, 2.6 crore are those who are under 29 years of age. Creating an online, unified job portal for the whole country is certainly targeting this segment of job seekers, who are comfortable using Internet and are aware of their preferences.


Salient features of this job portal:

From day 1, this job portal has included: 2,04,07,548 registered job seekers (2.04 crore), 1031 career centers, 129 career counselors, 1684 registered employers from 53 industries and 23,956 Subject Matter Experts
Rest 2.44 cr registered job seekers would be included within next 6 months
This portal would be linked with every employment exchange across India, and all Ministries and Govt. Departments would be mandated to share their job requirements on this website.
In the first stage, 100 employment exchanges (out of 959) would be digitalized and enhanced to include career counselors and Subject Matter Experts as well. Govt. has allocated a budget of Rs 144 crore for the same. These employment exchanges will be rechristened as National Career Counseling Centers
Ministry of Entrepreneurship, Skill India Mission and MSME Ministry would be directly linked with the job portal, so that startups and SMEs can pick the right candidates for their ventures.
The portal will these features: job posting, career counseling, aptitude assessment, job matching, skill courses, training providers. Special guidance courses on self-employment and entrepreneurship would also start in next few months
This job portal has been designed to create a melting point of three major Govt. initiatives: Digital India, Skill India and Make in India
PM Modi has specifically shared that candidates who are seeking jobs should first be counseled as per his/her area of interest and capability, and mapping needs to done before initiating Skill enhancement program. This online portal and National Career Counseling Centers would serve the same purpose of mapping skills with market opportunities

Although various job portals such as Naukri, Monster etc exist as of now, to connect employees with employers; but services are not free on these sites. National Career Service is not only free, but also provides Govt. as well private jobs, along with counseling and other services.

If maintained and optimized well, this portal has the fire to disrupt the existing job market in India.

Source

 

[gemini90]

[MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION]

I think the evaluation lies within our culture. We deem sweepers, peons, chaiwalla etc as of some lower stature. You would be surprised to see that these people are seen as holding a respectable job is other developed countries. There is no sense of inferiority in doing their job. And they earn good too.

Now this is stereotyping a majority of people. Infact if anything, I would say that RSS is one organization where anyone can come, join and reach the pinnacle of orgnization on the basis of his leadership skills alone.

 

[GhorMaanas]

Alright, tell me how do we produce new kamasutra and build more khajuraho temples without outcry from dhongi Hindutva brigade.

It's just the way of thinking. A porn actress or actor is doing his/her job. Is it lesser than any other job or does it denigrate them ? It's our perception that does.

I think the evaluation lies within our culture. We deem sweepers, peons, chaiwalla etc as of some lower stature. You would be surprised to see that these people are seen as holding a respectable job is other developed countries. There is no sense of inferiority in doing their job. And they earn good too.

from the point of what the overly-moralistic keep spewing, agreed to that (though the denigration part is achieved in the p0rn-industry itself).
but if p0rn is thought to be going to get us new KS and Khajuraho group of monuments, that's stretching it a bit afar (or perhaps i misinterpreted it).

 

[tkin]

*www.nytimes.com/2015/08/04/world/asia/india-orders-blocking-of-857-pornography-websites-targeted-by-activist.html



Really? How could the government take this guy seriously?

Worse than AIDS? Ask any AIDS patient whether he/she will take up watching pornography 24/7 against having AIDS. If a single one of them says 'NO' I'll inject myself with HIV.

 

[Anorion]

if porn was like the sculptures at Khajuraho, kids could watch it without it being a problem
IMO it is more educational and almost clinical, like those graphics for sex positions on wikipedia, rather than pornography.