Have most porn sites just been blocked in India?

bssunilreddy

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So, its like "The Machine" from Person Of Interest? Or like Project Insight from Captain America: The Winter Soldier?

Hope it eliminated all the retarded and corrupt officials who were responsible for the ban.
The Machine got activated last year only.
 
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vidhubhushan

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But if the lady had been forced, legal discourse would have been fine, right? You can't distinguish like that as per any law. Even if the lady in question had been willing at that point of time, still it was private property. One party can't reveal it without explicit consent of the other. That is why the name revenge porn.

Given the bypasses available on net, dealing with child and revenge porn needs a comprehensive plan and constant surveillance.

arrest that person and start legal proceedings. ask file sharing sites / tube sites to remove that video. how it is justified to block an entire website when may be only a small percentage is this?

extremely sorry to say comprehensive plan means $**t looking at the morons at various places and it pains to say that constant surveillance is the biggest joke right now.

Our country cannot even track terrorists until they attack someplace.

very true.

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Only child porn websites will be banned: Ravi Shankar Prasad - The Times of India
 

Gen.Libeb

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*www.nytimes.com/2015/08/04/world/asia/india-orders-blocking-of-857-pornography-websites-targeted-by-activist.html

“Nothing can more efficiently destroy a person, fizzle their mind, evaporate their future, eliminate their potential or destroy society like pornography,” Mr. Vaswani wrote in his petition to the Supreme Court. “It is worse than Hitler, worse than AIDS, cancer or any other epidemic,” he added. “It is more catastrophic than nuclear holocaust, and it must be stopped.”

Really? How could the government take this guy seriously?
 

SaiyanGoku

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*www.nytimes.com/2015/08/04/world/a...ornography-websites-targeted-by-activist.html


Nothing can more efficiently destroy a person, fizzle their mind, evaporate their future, eliminate their potential or destroy society like pornography,” Mr. Vaswani wrote in his petition to the Supreme Court. “It is worse than Hitler, worse than AIDS, cancer or any other epidemic,” he added. “It is more catastrophic than nuclear holocaust, and it must be stopped.”
Really? How could the government take this guy seriously?

Replace pornography with religion, bollywood, chota bheem, Indian tv soaps and reality shows, Honey Singh songs, casteism, bad (or lack of) education, reservation or even greedy/stupid government officials and the statement would become valid.
 

Desmond

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*www.nytimes.com/2015/08/04/world/asia/india-orders-blocking-of-857-pornography-websites-targeted-by-activist.html



Really? How could the government take this guy seriously?

That guy needs serious help.

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Only child porn websites will be banned: Ravi Shankar Prasad - The Times of India

AFAIK, none of the mainstream porn sites offer CP. All the mainstream sites also have strict regulation against CP and offenders are dealt with.

They probably believe that CP is very common on the internet than it really is. But also, they are all "unkles" and they don't watch porn, how would they know what the scene really is?
 

gemini90

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arrest that person and start legal proceedings. ask file sharing sites / tube sites to remove that video. how it is justified to block an entire website when may be only a small percentage is this?

extremely sorry to say comprehensive plan means $**t looking at the morons at various places and it pains to say that constant surveillance is the biggest joke right now.

The judiciary may have wanted to make an example/ set precedence through this case. They have already stated that certain issues in this field concern them greatly. And the executive will prefer to err on the side of caution than be accused of not following the court orders. It's going to take a combined effort requiring strengthening privacy laws, education, and giving the gov control over servers within the country to carry out any court ruling regarding offences committed by a specific user/site.

But the kind of 'rudali' that has occured over this issue on twitter, quora and reddit was uncalled for.
 

GhorMaanas

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CP may be more rampant than we are aware of. IFR had reported a few years back that '100,000-plus websites are devoted to child p0rn0graphy, with over 116,000 daily requests for this material'.
 

GhorMaanas

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The judiciary may have wanted to make an example/ set precedence through this case. They have already stated that certain issues in this field concern them greatly. And the executive will prefer to err on the side of caution than be accused of not following the court orders. It's going to take a combined effort requiring strengthening privacy laws, education, and giving the gov control over servers within the country to carry out any court ruling regarding offences committed by a specific user/site.

But the kind of 'rudali' that has occured over this issue on twitter, quora and reddit was uncalled for.

they are still engaged in baiting.

*i.imgur.com/mHS7uO6.png

as faun had written, indeed looks like them - howling mischief-monger teens asking for some chastisement.
 

Faun

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they are still engaged in baiting.

*i.imgur.com/mHS7uO6.png

as faun had written, indeed looks like them - howling mischief-monger teens asking for some chastisement.

It's Sudhanshu Trivedi. Twitter user mixed up the name.



Check this video where he contends that porn is the reason. I suppose all billions of people are then potential rapists because they drink alcohol and watch porn.
 

gemini90

Journeyman
I don't get it. What is the reason for forming a panel which includes people from BJP, VHP, Congress, an actor and faking news(firstpost)? The only competent person on that panel is the lone sexologist. Missing are a lawyer, psychologist, etc. The media has no intention to have a fair discussion. Their only aim is to add fuel to fire and target modi it seems.
[MENTION=120775]GhorMaanas[/MENTION] As for reddit, that tweet is nothing new.

*pbs.twimg.com/media/CLeRCI8UMAEMfw7.png
 
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nikufellow

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*www.nytimes.com/2015/08/04/world/asia/india-orders-blocking-of-857-pornography-websites-targeted-by-activist.html



Really? How could the government take this guy seriously?

Actually the apex court itself while hearing the plea termed the issue as 'serous' and asked the MHA to take a 'stand'. Now as far as i understand our lazy government just took the list by the petitioner (God knows how the guy narrowed down on these 857 sites) and passed it onto DOT
 

Faun

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Actually the apex court itself while hearing the plea termed the issue as 'serous' and asked the MHA to take a 'stand'. Now as far as i understand our lazy government just took the list by the petitioner (God knows how the guy narrowed down on these 857 sites) and passed it onto DOT

One thing that our government is good at is quickly enforcing their version of Hindutva culture values. Perhaps that comes with their nature.

*******s like Babu Bajrangi are still living a life full of holidays.

And this Trivadi says things only a madman will agree with


Where are the rational people ? Perhaps Modi Ji should speak up if he can get some time from supercommitment by supercomupter's supercomputing.
 

gemini90

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[MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] What has the gov got anything to do with it? The primary directive came from the supreme court, and I will repeat this again - The executive will always err on the side of caution if the other choice is 'tauheen' of court directive. And there is another hearing on 8th this month.

So if the court see this action as excessive, they will give necessary orders.

And as for Modi ji not speaking up on this issue, your demand seems similar to those made by others elsewhere. Another "me want 24/7 news update!!!" syndrome. Ministers shouldn't offer such updates and responses. That's up to the press spokesperson. There is a spokesperson, in fact multiple ones. The problem is no one wants to hear what they say. Particularly media want juicy gossip, not canned announcements. This isn't a communication gap. It's a noisy minority addicted to political gossip, including people whose livelihoods depend on peddling that gossip, vigorously asserting their 'right' to have that gossip.

Even PMs deal with NSCN was skimmed...this is the only country where PMs speech is skipped to cover nonsense..
 
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Faun

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[MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] What has the gov got anything to do with it? The primary directive came from the supreme court, and I will repeat this again - The executive will always err on the side of caution if the other choice is 'tauheen' of court directive. And there is another hearing on 8th this month.

So if the court see this action as excessive, they will give necessary orders.

-8 July 2015-
Chief Justice HL Dattu further observed:
Such interim orders cannot be passed by this court. Somebody can come to the court and say ‘Look, I am an adult and how can you stop me from watching it within the four walls of my room? It is a violation of Article 21 [right to life and personal liberty] of the Constitution.’ Yes the issue is serious and some steps need to be taken… the Centre has to take a stand… let us see what stand the Centre will take.
Source: Kamlesh Vaswani v. Union of India & Ors. (Pornography ban matter) - 1, Law Street

And the center took the onus upon them to ban everything provided by petitioner without any reviews ? Read the petition pages, that guy is the example of hyperbole. Stretching things and equating it to AIDS, CANCER and HITLER.

You think they would have held a press conference before putting blanket ban over websites ? It's the execution under the table that worries people. They could have waited for final decision by court which is few days away. But no, the moral unrighteousness lies with these dhongi Hindutva people (likes of who supported Asaram).

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[MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION]
And as for Modi ji not speaking up on this issue, your demand seems similar to those made by others elsewhere. Another "me want 24/7 news update!!!" syndrome. Ministers shouldn't offer such updates and responses. That's up to the press spokesperson. There is a spokesperson, in fact multiple ones. The problem is no one wants to hear what they say. Particularly media want juicy gossip, not canned announcements. This isn't a communication gap. It's a noisy minority addicted to political gossip, including people whose livelihoods depend on peddling that gossip, vigorously asserting their 'right' to have that gossip.

Even PMs deal with NSCN was skimmed...this is the only country where PMs speech is skipped to cover nonsense..

When the spokespersons are not rational minded people, I'd like Mr Mod Ji to take a stand.
 

gemini90

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[MENTION=20614]Faun[/MENTION] Look through the same link you quoted. First,

21 April 2014

Internet Service Providers Association of India (ISPAI) submitted that they on their own cannot block such sites and they can do so only on the direction of the government. On such a submission, by its order, Court imleaded Department of Telecommunications as a party asking it if it or any other department was competent to ask Internet Service Providers Association of India to ban porn sites. It ordered:

The Secretary, Department of Telecommunications (DoT) may file his personal affidavit within one week on the issue whether the DoT or any other department of the Government of India is competent to issue direction to the respondent No.4 to call off sites showing pornography.

Then, 28 August 2014

Matter came before a bench headed by Chief Justice HL Dattu (as Justice B.S. Chauhan retired). Union of India submitted it was struggling to block pornography sites because there were around four crore websites and when they block one, a new one came along.

Observing that easily accessible porn sites were ‘polluting young minds’ and were a ‘major reason behind rising sexual abuse of children’, Justice Kurien Joseph said there would be some method to block such sites.

Justice Rohinton Nariman observed:

It is impractical to block two crore websites as then two crore more sites will surface. They pop up in foreign countries and are hydra-headed. So only servers here will help.

Additional Solicitor General L. Nageswara Rao submitted:

“We wish to have some control over the content of social networking sites but the hurdle is that all of them are headquartered overseas and content uploading is done abroad. There are jurisdictional issues. So we are planning to ask these sites to have a server in India too so that we can scan them.


Court in its order held:

L. Nageswara Rao, Additional Solicitor General, submitted that the Cyber Regulation Advisory Committee had been constituted under Section 88 of the Information Technology Act, 2000 and one of the briefs assigned to that Committee is with regard to availability of Pornography on Internet.

And as for the same dated order, you forgot to quote the line just next to it -

However bench then said:

You have not blocked the websites. The petitioner is saying so much.

To this, Additional Solicitor General Pinky Anand said:

We will do whatever is possible.

Atleast, this time the gov can say we blocked the sites when the court itself is expecting some executive action. It is for the court to decide whether that is enough or more is needed.

So what do you think the gov should have done? Come across as a negligent party in the whole event?


And frankly, this fear of hindutwadi brigade has become a phobia with many of the liberal kind. It's like that scene in batman vs superman - 'The red capes are coming! The red capes are coming!' This is the same chaiwalla and his hindutva gov who is on the verge of solving the north-east problem forever.

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When the spokespersons are not rational minded people, I'd like Mr Mod Ji to take a stand.

He was busy signing the peace deal with NSCN, a far more important achievement than the present issue at hand. And why don't you guys trust the supreme court - the same entity which stuck down IT Act Sec 66a.
 
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TechGeek

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Distribution of porn has always been illegal. Each of these websites is a distributor, so they can be banned, totally legally. They just got it.

The perceptions of morons - Porn has been banned!

Porn has not been banned. Only some distributors who were illegally hawking their wares, have.

Internet parlours all over India have rules that prohibit them from becoming distributors by allowing access to porn. Many implement that.

The 'morality' of it -

We don't need to measure our 'freedoms' the same way other nations do. People who want to access porn can do so. Porn was not born on the internet. It existed well before that., and continues to be allowed in India.

Wonder why we got all uppity about some politicians watching porn in the assembly, but we don't want to ban a totally illegal method of distribution!

Dangers:

More dangerous versions of sexual perversion, like pedophilia, should be looked at with a whole lot more concern. The internet is the ubiquitous source and most definitely has to have some censorship while tackling issues like child pornography and human trafficking. We can't be allowing illegal distributors to be setting up clients that are dangerous to our citizens in terms of abuse and exploitation.

Page on humantraffickingsearch.net

The 'freedom' angle:

Nobody's freedom to consume porn has been infringed upon in India.

Economic angle:

Businesses that operate in India but do not pay taxes should be kicked out. Porn sites are in this category.

Most will take money in foreign exchange too. Glad to see them shut down.
 

Faun

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The Secretary, Department of Telecommunications (DoT) may file his personal affidavit within one week on the issue whether the DoT or any other department of the Government of India is competent to issue direction to the respondent No.4 (Internet Service Providers Association of India) to call off sites showing pornography.

It, by no means, a verdict by the court. Check the tone of sentence. The discretion is at the DoT to follow if they are competent enough. I leave it up to you define the competence of our government in handling such matters.

Then, 28 August 2014

Additional Solicitor General L. Nageswara Rao submitted:

“We wish to have some control over the content of social networking sites but the hurdle is that all of them are headquartered overseas and content uploading is done abroad. There are jurisdictional issues. So we are planning to ask these sites to have a server in India too so that we can scan them.

Again, it implies a possible approach which is not yet finalized. Not until we hear the final verdict.

And as for the same dated order, you forgot to quote the line just next to it -

However bench then said:

You have not blocked the websites. The petitioner is saying so much.

To this, Additional Solicitor General Pinky Anand said:

We will do whatever is possible.

Again, it is not an order. In fact, "Such interim orders cannot be passed by this court" is the stance by SC.

It's a request on behalf of petitioner (The petitioner is saying so much). You can read the vague reply to it "We will do whatever is possible."
What falls within whatever ? A broad term to begin with.

The order of the proceeding is this:
Four weeks' time is granted to respondent No. 3 to file counter affidavit.
Source: *onelawstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Kamlesh-Vaswani-Order-8.7.2015.pdf

Latest news is uplifting the ban until final verdict for their swooping idiocy in banning anything distantly related to porn. Do the homework next time please,
India reverses ban on Internet porn after public outrage, ridicule | Stuff.co.nz
 

GhorMaanas

The Vagrant Seeker
It's Sudhanshu Trivedi. Twitter user mixed up the name.
Check this video where he contends that porn is the reason. I suppose all billions of people are then potential rapists because they drink alcohol and watch porn.

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Most probably influenced by the sporadically coming reports of some low-class people or esp. minors committing ‘experiments’ post/while watching garam clips. That’s one of the shortest routes to take.

I don't get it. What is the reason for forming a panel which includes people from BJP, VHP, Congress, an actor and faking news(firstpost)? The only competent person on that panel is the lone sexologist. Missing are a lawyer, psychologist, etc. The media has no intention to have a fair discussion. Their only aim is to add fuel to fire and target modi it seems.
@GhorMaanas As for reddit, that tweet is nothing new.

yes, had seen the image of that tweet earlier (it stands deleted though now).
anyway, would be foolish to expect from the media to let go of their milking chances and forego whipping up some nice browbeat-entertainment. Have been stating from the start that the case is made out to be a ‘save p0rn’ campaign, and the media is again at the forefront of that. If the govt. were to be a crusader for ethics & morality, some of these champions would’ve been the first to receive the boot (though we have good reasons to believe some supply-pipes of them are being blanked :D)
 
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