Graphics Cards related queries here.

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hell_storm2006

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Well PhysX is a good thing to have but not the only priority. It will definitely be a long time till nVidia gets an upper hand in the GPU market again. At least till GT300 releases. And nVidia is a specialist in missing deadlines by a long margin! :p
Since ATI released DX11 cards ahead of them they are just brushing it aside by saying DX11 is useless! Now how much are they gonna ignore it that they are falling behind and PhysX is not the only solution!
 
asingh

asingh

Aspiring Novelist
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The way I choose a GPU: (Not Xfire/SLI)

Importance: Highest (1) --- Lowest (10)

1. Will it support my max screen resolution AND support the max screen resolution if I change monitors. Have a DELL 19" will soon move to 24"
2. Raw processing power. Read reviews, and see various benchmarks.
3. Memory Size on GPU PCB. Should be 1 GB at least.
4. Various technical specifications. Memory bandwidth, TMU, ROPs, memory speed.
5. Does it support maximum current generation game technology. Dx10..etc.
6. Power consumption. Can I afford a PSU to power this GPU.
7. Heating. Can I provide adequate cooling to this GPU. Is the OEM HSF good enough.
8. What else the GPU can do well. Physics, CUDA, Video processing.
9. What connectivity it offers. Number of DVI, HDMI.
10. Bundle. Connectors, CDs, add ons

You will notice, that I did not mention the price.

In the end I see, which fits best in my price. Cause my budget I keep as a constant. Now to fit 1 --- 10 in my budget I compromise on them starting with (10), and moving up, and narrow down to make, and model.
 
damngoodman999

damngoodman999

damnbadman666
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^^ Anil

i told u that i already used HD4850 i love the performance & max resolution support , any way after seeing the graphics in games on PHYSX seriously a true hardcore gamer really wud choose Nvidia

ATI still holds the Benching record on the GPU scores on HD 4870X2

ANil try to play all action games u ll notice the difference !
 
asingh

asingh

Aspiring Novelist
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^^ Ok..point taken DGM.

Which games support Physics..FPS genre.
 
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hell_storm2006

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Well the only game that i know made good use of PhysX was Mirror's Edge!

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhysX

Also would like you all to read this...
*www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20952
 
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hell_storm2006

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^^If you are thinking of GTX 295 when you were typing this! Then i think you should know the HD5970 (Codenamed Hemlock) would be released soon, and it would definitely take the most powerful single card crown from the GTX 295!
 
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piyush2202

The Tech Enthusiast
Re: All Graphics Cards related queries here.

hell_storm2006 said:
^^If you are thinking of GTX 295 when you were typing this! Then i think you should know the HD5970 (Codenamed Hemlock) would be released soon, and it would definitely take the most powerful single card crown from the GTX 295!
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Yeah right!!! As if Nvidia is gonna sit pretty when ATI releases the HD5970. Wait a few more months and I bet you'd see a significantly more powerful Nvidia GPU hit the markets! Besides, Nvidia has been ruling the market for years, they wouldn't like to lose that position.

One more thing, Catalyst drivers give a lot more problems than Nvidia GeForce drivers. And I'm saying this out of personal experience.
 
asingh

asingh

Aspiring Novelist
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hell_storm2006 said:
^^If you are thinking of GTX 295 when you were typing this! Then i think you should know the HD5970 (Codenamed Hemlock) would be released soon, and it would definitely take the most powerful single card crown from the GTX 295!
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These are both dual PCB. So it is Xfire/SLI, a totally different ball-game..!

:-D
 
asingh

asingh

Aspiring Novelist
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piyush2202 said:
Yeah right!!! As if Nvidia is gonna sit pretty when ATI releases the HD5970. Wait a few more months and I bet you'd see a significantly more powerful Nvidia GPU hit the markets! Besides, Nvidia has been ruling the market for years, they wouldn't like to lose that position.

One more thing, Catalyst drivers give a lot more problems than Nvidia GeForce drivers. And I'm saying this out of personal experience.
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ATI still has stuff up their sleeve, which I bet you they will save when the GT3xx series are out.

They have yet to release:
5870x2 (dual PCB -- to get the fastest crown and hit at the GT3xx series)
5890 (revision/upgrade path too 5870 -- to remain in the high-end league)
5970 (God knows what this is. Only images have been released. Looks dual PCB, is 11.5" long)

PLUS:
ATI released a series before them, so they will release the next round HD6xxx series before nVidia can release the successor to GT3xx series. :-D

Drivers:
Both are just as bad and just as good. I also used a nVidia card before. And can show you umpteen posts regarding driver issues for ATI and nVidia. Do not just quote stuff like this.
 
damngoodman999

damngoodman999

damnbadman666
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Asigh

leave the Card , think abt drivers worst driver support i really say is ATI HD4870 has the powerful chip , but the drivers cant even bring the juice out of it after catalyst 9 series release the card can boost some amount of FPS , on using 8 series i was dump wen using HD 4850

Ati is worst in drivers support
 
topgear

topgear

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asigh said:
^^ Ok..point taken DGM.

Which games support Physics..FPS genre.
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I can name twoi :p
Wolfenstein, Borderlands, Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway,Medal of Honor: Airborne, Unreal Tournament 3, Section 8 :p

piyush2202 said:
thanks! i connected the second 6-pin. btw, what weird behaviour can one expect if one does NOT connect both pins?? just curious. :mrgreen:
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asigh said:
^^ At full load the card is not getting enough power. It can stall and cause the 3D to run. You are stressing the components but not supplying adequate power.

Run a FURMARK benchmark, with one connector ...?
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Yup, at full load when you are gaming your games can crash, rig may be turned off or restarted. In the long run as your gpu is not getting enough power it may be damaged.


rajkumar_pb said:
^^ Atleast in linux, they sux.
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As of now but they will improve in future I think :p
BTW, Why ATI makes drivers that favors ( M$ ) windows only ( a personal opinion though )
 
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hell_storm2006

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After Catalyst 9, there have been no major problems reported about the driver issue. Catalyst 8 had some problems for sure! So we can say, driver issue is put to rest.
They are making grounds in every area possible.
Hemlock is a single card solution. So no more X2 funda for ATI. Depends on what the price of this baby is!
Also they have Cypress, Juniper, Redwood and Ceder up on the line for mid and low end segment. All to hit the market by the end of 2010 and ATI rarely miss the deadlines!
So they are going for an all out attack on nVidia in every segment possible. Starting from extra low segment to the insanely expensive segment! :mrgreen:
Wonder why nVidia is sitting ducks and depending so heavily on GT300! If that flops, they are gonzo!! Even if it is released, it will be way too expensive! So they need something to hold onto the market in the mid and low segment. Right now they have none!
Just take a look around other forums, count the number of people suggesting ATI and number of people suggesting nVidia for a specified budget!
Already the core market has shifted to ATI. How much ground nVidia can afford to loose is a big question!

For the tree lovers :p :

Hemlock - dual-chip flagship graphics solutions powered by two RV870 chips (originally known as R800);
Cypress – single-chip high-performance graphics solution based on RV870 chip that will replace ATI Radeon HD 4890;
Juniper – single chip performance graphics solution that will replace the remaining Radeon HD 4870 and 4850 graphics boards. It is highly likely that this one is based on the RV870 as well;
Redwood – single chip mainstream graphics solution(s) based on RV830 chip that will replace both RV730 and RV740-based solutions;
Cedar – single chip entry-level graphics solution(s) based on RV810 chip;
 
asingh

asingh

Aspiring Novelist
Re: All Graphics Cards related queries here.

damngoodman999 said:
Asigh

leave the Card , think abt drivers worst driver support i really say is ATI HD4870 has the powerful chip , but the drivers cant even bring the juice out of it after catalyst 9 series release the card can boost some amount of FPS , on using 8 series i was dump wen using HD 4850

Ati is worst in drivers support
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rajkumar_pb said:
^^ Atleast in linux, they sux.
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This is my last say on the above:
I am seriously sick and tired of hearing people complain about ATI having bad drivers. Saying having the WORST, is really far fetched. What is 'worst', when there are just two Having a good driver/bad driver is purely relative to the game and system of the user. They work well with some games, and they work bad with some games. I subscribe actively to these forums/websites: Anandtech, HardOCCP, Guru3d, TomsHardwares. And I hear just the same amount of whinning, ranting, and complaining for nVidia and ATI.

I have seen so many people say 'nVidia drivers are the shittiest'. Usually why they say this, cause they had one bad experience with the driver and now they complain.

I personally used a nVidia card before ATI, and made the switch without batting an eyelid. Driver issues (be it which ever brand), come in the package. Constantly both companies are developing new drivers, and removing bugs.

If ATI had the worst drivers --- would it make all the people who purchased them ignorant fools. I have seen guys with 4 x 5870s and liquid cooling, running phenomenal benchmarks and still striving for better drivers BUT NOT whinning or complaining. Saying a GPU company has a bad driver is like saying 'THIS IS NOT PERFECT'. There is nothing perfect in this world. See the OS's we use. Are we all 100% happy with M$ or Linux...? NO..? But we use them right...?

I personally had a really really bad experience once I set up my Xfire, with ATI drivers. It took me quite a while to sort it. But I took it in stride, and never complained about the drivers -- "that they are the worst".

Below are some links to enlighten you all:

My personal bad experience with ATI Drivers.
Guru3D ATI Driver Issues.
Guru3d nVidia Driver Issues.

Linux:
Not sure why ATI does not release driver builds for this OS. At 10-12% market share, they probably do not feel the need to create them for Linux. I am sure even the top brass of ATI/AMD have thought this through --- probably concentrating all efforts to battle nVidia.

Summary:
I hope you all noticed, not once have I passed the statement, that nVidia is better, or ATI is better. Again, it is relative to the situation,system,game. Both companies are good, and just as bad.
 
asingh

asingh

Aspiring Novelist
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^^

Past is past right. Of course I would not use an old driver. I am sure you must have had bad experiences in the past...but we all have right, with some service, product.

I never said....ATI does not have problems with drivers. YES IT DOES, but so does green team.

By the way: what was your bad experience(s) with the ATI drivers. Did you read my link..?
 
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