OP
gameranand
Living to Play
Well I am getting kinda confused so waiting for more inputs before making my final decision.
sumonpathak
knocking on heavens door
i though you were referring to the TH one
OP
gameranand
Living to Play
^^ The CPU buddy ??
Ok thanks for the input Sumon. As for now I am putting the decision of CPU on hold.
Ok thanks for the input Sumon. As for now I am putting the decision of CPU on hold.
vickybat
I am the night...I am...
Look mate you are getting unnecessarily confused. There's really nothing to get confused selecting a cpu part for your build.
If you can include a 3770k in your budget, then go for it eyes closed. There's nothing better available than it at its price. If there was competition, you should have been confused.
Its the highest end processor available and you should go for it if you want to. Hyperthreading will matter if you run heavily threaded apps or even games like battlefield 3, medal of honour warfighter or similar multicore enabled games like that. Grab it mate. You ain't be sacrificing on anything.
But tell me , what have you decided about the gpu?
OP
gameranand
Living to Play
Well like sumon said I am sacrificing on overclocking with 3770K, lets see what my budget allows because with that RAM it has already been pushed by 2K.
As for GPU I haven't exactly decided it for the time being.
As for GPU I haven't exactly decided it for the time being.
vickybat
I am the night...I am...
Well like sumon said I am sacrificing on overclocking with 3770K, lets see what my budget allows because with that RAM it has already been pushed by 2K.
As for GPU I haven't exactly decided it for the time being.
That sacrifice doesn't really count in real world mate. Why would you unnecessarily want to push your cpu to its limits like 4.8 ghz or higher ?
Are you buying this system for benchmarking purpose or to satisfy your own compute needs? If you can answer this question yourself, you can decide what to buy easily.
Besides 3770k also has hd 4000 which translates into better quicksync performance(video encoding) than the outgoing hd 3000.
I also checked about gpu performance. Nvidia's 310.33 beta has also received performance boost with its highest gpu's (upto gtx 660) and not the low-end ones.
680 has a 15% boost and 660 has a 7.5% boost. Was checking hardocp's past reviews and the new ones with latest drivers. Games like sleeping dogs and skyrim has got a good boost. The overall boost in % fall just short of the gains achieved by amd's 12.11.
*www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2012/10/24/nvidia-geforce-310-33/1
But sli is a different ball game altogether.
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Cilus
laborare est orare
Ananad, for CPU, the decisionis simple. If you are okay with 4.2 GHz speed @ 24X7 and some times 4.6 GHz then grab 3770K. But if you wanna more speed for long time period then 2600K is a good choice, in fact very good choice. Lets keep the PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth aside for the time being.
Regarding GPU, just wait a little for the GPU explanation. Actually removing all the technical jargons and making it understandable to all is little hard job...but don't worry, I am on it.
Good point
Good point
Regarding GPU, just wait a little for the GPU explanation. Actually removing all the technical jargons and making it understandable to all is little hard job...but don't worry, I am on it.
Good point
Good point
OP
gameranand
Living to Play
^^ Thanks a lot guys. Will have to wait for the final assessment by you so that I can make the final budget and all, because deciding components one by one may shoot my budget sky-high.
Excellent, Cilus. Only problem is that the RAMs chosen by Anand are 1866MHz CL10, so it is basically a R1.5 and I think he will barely notice any difference in practical terms. And this he is getting for almost half the price of the 2133 MHz modules. OK, that's a single module but how much impact does dual channel have?
Anyway, Flipkart price is effectively 5k.
sumonpathak
knocking on heavens door
he should treat us individually for making us work so hard
vickybat
I am the night...I am...
Another thing to remember is that memory can be overclocked and when done, can get over the issues regarding lower timings.
For example that 1600mhz cl9 ram can be overclocked to lets say 1800mhz. According to cilus's example, the new ratio between 2133/1800 =1.185
Now as per the ratio, the new frequencies would be 20 and 24 ( achieved by multiplying 20 with the new ratio).
Now considering R1 as 20 and R2 as 24 lets see the results:
R1 - 20 transactions ( memory read/write) per second. So a single clock cycle will take 1/20th of a second.
R2 - 24 transactions per second. So a single clock cycle time is 1/24th of second
Now R1 is a CL9 Ram, so time required for 9 Clock Cycle is 9X(1/20) = 9/20 sec = 0.45 sec
R2 is a CL11 Ram, so time required for 11 Clock Cycles is 11X(1/24) = 11/24 sec = 0.45 sec.
Now they are equally placed.
But the way it should be analysed is that frequency is inversely proportional to latency. Overclocking a memory with lower latency will see it take lesser time.
You just have to hit the right sweet spot.
For example that 1600mhz cl9 ram can be overclocked to lets say 1800mhz. According to cilus's example, the new ratio between 2133/1800 =1.185
Now as per the ratio, the new frequencies would be 20 and 24 ( achieved by multiplying 20 with the new ratio).
Now considering R1 as 20 and R2 as 24 lets see the results:
R1 - 20 transactions ( memory read/write) per second. So a single clock cycle will take 1/20th of a second.
R2 - 24 transactions per second. So a single clock cycle time is 1/24th of second
Now R1 is a CL9 Ram, so time required for 9 Clock Cycle is 9X(1/20) = 9/20 sec = 0.45 sec
R2 is a CL11 Ram, so time required for 11 Clock Cycles is 11X(1/24) = 11/24 sec = 0.45 sec.
Now they are equally placed.
But the way it should be analysed is that frequency is inversely proportional to latency. Overclocking a memory with lower latency will see it take lesser time.
You just have to hit the right sweet spot.
nicely explained Cilus ....... even i was trying to suggest anand to go for 3770k........ yes 2600k is good overclocker n less heating but 3770k is not at all bad to have ^_^ considering its features and its always gonna be in debate that 3770k is faster than 2600k in many benchs apps and so on by 5-15 % now many gona jump saying super oc 2600k and it will beat 3770k ^_^ but we are keeping cpu arround 4.2-4.5 ghz mark
with ivy always one thing to pray for hope you get luckiest oc and/ or coolest chip lol
with ivy always one thing to pray for hope you get luckiest oc and/ or coolest chip lol
OP
gameranand
Living to Play
he should treat us individually for making us work so hard
Just say the word and I will.
sumonpathak
knocking on heavens door
OP
gameranand
Living to Play
how about lending your pc to others for smtime
Just come to my place and you are welcome to stay for as long as you want and Game on it.
how bout delivering the Mouse to me first
I already have MX518 for the time being so I guess I can do that.
If you want it then PM me your address. and yes I am serious. I owe you guys that much after all the help from you guys.
OP
gameranand
Living to Play
Cilus Where are you ?? Please post about GPU and other components if its ready.
Guys the motherboard is unavailable at many places, sumon contacted ASUS and ASUS contacted me, they are providing mobo at my place at around 21650INR, they said its their minimum price, Now I am getting mobo from Techshop.in for around 21K including shipping, but the thing is that if I am buying the mobo from here then I would get support more easily as they are also the distributors + service center for ASUS. So whats your say in this.
Please post about GPU and other components if its ready.Guys the motherboard is unavailable at many places, sumon contacted ASUS and ASUS contacted me, they are providing mobo at my place at around 21650INR, they said its their minimum price, Now I am getting mobo from Techshop.in for around 21K including shipping, but the thing is that if I am buying the mobo from here then I would get support more easily as they are also the distributors + service center for ASUS. So whats your say in this.