I would disagree. For an average student, it is very difficult to "memorize" gazillions of chemical reactions especially for those who have one-sided extreme passion for computers or programming in general. I don't understand the noise made by NITs and IITs. Sure, they're pretty good institutions. But remember they are not the only ones honing the best talent. Such an ego-istic "IIT and NITs are the best - everything else is a waste" attitude shown by IITs and NITs would definitely hamper the progress of the nation. Plus nowadays even the "quota" matters for admissions.An average student with good mathematical approach & hard work can also secure a decent rank in AIEEE.
Seriously, for a branch like CSE, infrastructure is never a concern. All you need to learn and explore is a good teacher and a computer. Students from CORE branches like Mechanical/Civil/Electronics have to depend on college lab's infrastructure for all their practical work and learning. And as per AICTE norms, any AICTE approved college has adequate labs even if they are not "posh" or may not have high end machines. For all purposes, any AICTE approved college would be fine for CSE/IT students.
A better faculty can motivate you to achieve greater heights, but just in case you don't have good teachers you can always supplement your learning with the Internet. Universities like Harvard and MIT offer free lectures.
If its your forte, then those "stamps" of college won't matter in the long run - as long as you are good in what you do.
Agreed.All that matters for admission in government college is the "quota". I don't know why isn't this being abolished.I would disagree. For an average student, it is very difficult to "memorize" gazillions of chemical reactions especially for those who have one-sided extreme passion for computers or programming in general. I don't understand the noise made by NITs and IITs. Sure, they're pretty good institutions. But remember they are not the only ones honing the best talent. Such an ego-istic "IIT and NITs are the best - everything else is a waste" attitude shown by IITs and NITs would definitely hamper the progress of the nation. Plus nowadays even the "quota" matters for admissions.
i doubt it.if you are capable of becoming such a good programmer then you would have got a seat in NITs in the first place.
I hope you're trolling here, because some of the best coders the world over have had a rudimentary education at best.
Nice to know that conquerer.
Btw, how would u rank these private institutes purely on the basis of CSE dept. and placement (not infrastructure) :
Amity (Noida)
Nirma
Muffakham Jah College (Hyderabad)
Amrita(Bangalore)
CBIT
RVCE
M.S. Ramaiah
VIT
BIT, Mesra
SRM
From what I know I think
BIT,Mesra>VIT>RVCE>Nirma>Ramaiah>Amrita>SRM>Muffakham Jah>CBIT>Amity(Only fear is that it is not AICTE approved)
What do you guys think ?
Another question I was asking myself was that should I care about the placement,faculty and infrastructure at all ? I mean, after doing some research I realized that if I do btech from private college then after BITS, VIT and Manipal and some other colleges rest of them are just as bad as any C class college. So, if my aim is to do Mtech after btech then should I care about getting placed and therefore the institute and the faculty because after all it is my own effort that counts.So, if I am clear about doing further study and seriously preparing for GATE then should I prefer one private college to another just because one has got shinny building and can get me placed in good private company even if they throw me out after a few month ?
Well, it's just his idea and I do think he is right. An extraordinary student can become good at everything hi puts his mind in. But that no. is very low.I was talking about average student. But it is nice to hear that average student can become good coder , cuz I am willing to work my ass of learning coding
no offence but i am tired of hearing this.and if you see the history, most of the greatest legends were just average students in schools/colleges, and even today some of the greatest coders/hackers are just those having an average academic history...
don't compare exceptions to norm or suggest that "legends" started out as "average/backbenchers".a genius does not born in vacuum & it is well established that a person with high intelligence in one field still possess more than above average intelligence in similar fields.a person who is a natural good programmer possess more than enough skill to master conventional science subjects like maths,physics,chemistry with hard work to get a good/decent rank in competitions like AIEEE though vice-versa may not be true(good in maths/physics/chemistry but average in programming).of course an average student with a bit of natural talent in programming too can become a good coder/programmer with hard work but that is more of an exception rather than norm.anyway i am sure many will not agree with my view so let the real world be the judge here & until i see at least 5-6 persons from xyz no name private college in which you can get admission by paying $$ innovating/creating something competing with the likes of above mentioned people i will continue with this view point of mine.Bill Gates---Harvard
Steve Jobs---Reed College(only school in the United States to have a nuclear reactor operated entirely by undergraduates)
Larry Ellison---University of Illinois
Linus Torvalds---University of Helsinki
Larry Page---University of Michigan followed by Stanford
Sergey Brin---University of Maryland followed by Stanford
no offence but i am tired of hearing this.
don't compare exceptions to norm or suggest that "legends" started out as "average/backbenchers".a genius does not born in vacuum & it is well established that a person with high intelligence in one field still possess more than above average intelligence in similar fields.a person who is a natural good programmer possess more than enough skill to master conventional science subjects like maths,physics,chemistry with hard work to get a good/decent rank in competitions like AIEEE though vice-versa may not be true(good in maths/physics/chemistry but average in programming).of course an average student with a bit of natural talent in programming too can become a good coder/programmer with hard work but that is more of an exception rather than norm.anyway i am sure many will not agree with my view so let the real world be the judge here & until i see at least 5-6 persons from xyz no name private college in which you can get admission by paying $$ innovating/creating something competing with the likes of above mentioned people i will continue with this view point of mine.
this is exactly what innovation is.he just got an idea which got too much popular
this is exactly what innovation is.
^^we are not talking about geniuses because compared to geniuses like Newton(father of classical mechanics),Einstein & such there is no one in field of computer science.entire computer hardware & its basic are based on laws of physics & chemistry by such geniuses.the table i gave represent persons with talent & innovation along with entrepreneurship skills which shaped the world of technology as we know it now.
this is exactly what innovation is.
@ratul,you totally missed my point so let me make it clear to you.
the point i am making:an average student in IIT/top NIT>>an average student in xyz pvt college(with exceptions)
the point i am not making:an average student in IIT/top NIT/top tier university can never be a good coder/achiever.
as for ankit fadia & Sunny Vaghela you seems to be just another one among thousands being taken by blitzkrieg advertising.read these to get some perspective & i know you probably won't believe it but use some insight & think for a moment.who is the real deal:
1.a hacker identity unknown selling latest java exploit in black market for $10000 a piece/participating in a public tournament like pwn2own either himself(if not afraid for his security) or through a human proxy wining $60000 prize money for breaking chrome sandbox protection in less than a minute.
2.someone claiming helping cia/nsa/cbi/(insert any 3 letter agency) on front page of a newspaper & making claims portraying themselves as legends but outside India on serious computer security sites their names don't even ring a bell.
Charlatan Watch List:
Errata - Charlatans
a real deal hacker will either remain unknown or will be working in a security firm after spending some time in jail for a crime which made front page news on reputable/established international papers/sites.anyone other than these claiming to be a top hacker is nothing but a con.
i understand. also not to criticize/point out shortcomings but rest assured if you know online where to hang & with whom to hang(easier said than done) & have the basic knowledge(assembly language/bit of reverse engineering/network protocols/windows & linux server layouts & common web languages/protocols) then you can gain more knowledge than likes of ankit fadia & sunny vaghela in a matter of few weeks.currently i don't know a thing about any web language(html,php etc) but i just spend ~10 min reading about XSS & already have a basic idea about what it does & that is the usual level of these so called publicity hackers.