Engineering Education in India

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Psychosocial

Violent serenity.
I want to do something that I like. Fortunately, as of now atleast, my parents aren't forcing me into a particular field. My dad is a BCom, BA, LLb himself and he knows how all this works. And he also knows pretty well that I would never make it as an engineer coz I suck at Math. I would suffocate with all that Math around me :|.
 

furious_gamer

Excessive happiness
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Its great that your dad knows your potential. So better join a course which you like most. If you choose engg for name sake then you will regret for that.:twisted:
 

confused

Evolving Rapidly...
I mean just tell the students, "hey this is ur syllabus, these are the prescribed books, come back 3 months later for ur final exams". I think students will be able to score better this way.
thats what happens in BITS Pilani.



but with such freedom, most cant fight the urge of distractions like booze/drugs/girls/internet/pr0n & end up wasting their time & parents money. Few manage to use the time constructively and excel.
 

dreamcatcher

Rockin g33k
Yeam but then th prescription isnt always suited to all colleges. To inculcate this feature you have to make accomodation compulsory in hostels, otherwise day scholars would be in grave danger of lagging behind their peers, given the hostelites shall have 24x7 access to the teachers.
So, its not always feasible. I suggest all colleges be rated according to their infrastructure, faculty and management and ranked thereby. Also scrap state entrances and make a common entrance test for all.
 

Liverpool_fan

Sami Hyypiä, LFC legend
I mean just tell the students, "hey this is ur syllabus, these are the prescribed books, come back 3 months later for ur final exams". I think students will be able to score better this way.
Yes but there should still be classes. It should just be optional to attend them (i.e. no attendance crap).
 
Am I the only kid who dosen't want to become an enginneer out there ?
No. At your age (10th std) I was more confused than the commentators trying to figure out Ravidra Jadeja's exact role in cricket.

Go for an aptitude test lad, your dad doesnt look like the pushy type. He'll be more than willing to support you when the time comes if you talk to him.

I have friends who tried/are in engineering (ffs and genuine) The former quit after 2years of intensive coaching after 12th (are doing BMM, BFM) and the latter are one the THE happiest bunch ever known. Same goes for medical, commerce. Arts is easy street, so I havent come across anyone who's unhappy with the stream.

Go for an aptitude test, and follow what you LIKE. Not what everyone is doing. You'll regret it.
I think there are a lot of people out there who never wanted to become engineers but were pushed/forced into it by the education system or parents.....I think children are being "brainwashed" today towards these careers of engineering and medicine.

In my opinion, only those with interest should be allowed admission - and not just interest in the technology but rather an interest in how things work.

Today, most of the "engineers" passing out (as well as scientists, now that I think about it) just do an MBA and get some high-ranking manager job - usually having NOTHING to do with their technical education. Less than 15% of graduates end up doing serious research after finishing their degrees. If everyone was so "interested" in doing engineering, we would see more people working in the technical line, as well as higher quality teachers. We can all see that this just isn't happening.

In the end, I think parents, adults, counselors, teachers, students - all of them think not in terms of one's interest but in terms of pure cash - "How much money am I going to get?". The type or kind of job doesn't really matter - the pay does. Now since the B.Tech/MBBS degree guarantees a good pay, it's no surprise to see people flocking all the way to study these courses, totally ignoring any other interest they may have had just so they can get easy, quick cash (can't blame them though - money is important!). And there is also the matter of prestige - there is some prestige attached to B.Tech and MBBS degrees.

In the end, I have seen several people who said that they didn't want to be engineers and they'd probably not study it if they had a second chance, but again - they do not complain at all since their current job pays very well.

Well worded. Though its all about putting money on the table, if you do what you hate, its as good as watching Ravindra Jadeja wonder if he's playing cricket or golf, coz it's been torture to figure that out till date.

You are BOUND to make money if you do what you like. That I'm confident of. :)

Speaking of which, I hope to join this thread soon as a qualified undergrad engineer :D
 

RavS

Kiddie Coder
:D :D

Not exactly. I used to bunk college thrice in a week.(3/5). But still got a decent percentage but other guys with me, its not the same. Still they need someone to knock their head and push the subject into their mind. So it depends. But IMO students are way smarter than engg professors. My friend used to told me that i teach OOPS better than our teacher. :mrgreen:

You used to bunk 3 days out of 5!! Lucky you. Because I can't think of bunking more than 3 classes per week as in my college the minimum attendance required is 70%, otherwise they shoot a letter to the parents, and parents have to come and meet the professors. ( I am sure in other colleges and universities, the condition would be worse.)

And I can't understand the logic of this, because the teachers themselves aren't motivated to teach their subjects. So, after 5 mins of lecture, we start asking for time! Some people have literally slept sitting on the first desk:mrgreen:

I don't know about your friend, but I damn hell can teach a few subjects better than my teachers! Now, I am not bragging here, but one can't help when your professors aren't specialist and don't know anything more than whats written in books.


thats what happens in BITS Pilani.

but with such freedom, most cant fight the urge of distractions like booze/drugs/girls/internet/pr0n & end up wasting their time & parents money. Few manage to use the time constructively and excel.

I thought i was just hypothesizing, but does that really happen in BITS:shock:
Anyway, what I said isn't feasible. Because if that does start to happen, my University will better start calling itself IGNOU!

What I meant was that, we should be given a prescribed syllabus and books. And just let us decide when and whose classes we want to attend. I mean I am not attempting to become the next Education Minister here, but aren't we grown up to decide whats good for us.


Yeam but then th prescription isnt always suited to all colleges. To inculcate this feature you have to make accomodation compulsory in hostels, otherwise day scholars would be in grave danger of lagging behind their peers, given the hostelites shall have 24x7 access to the teachers.
So, its not always feasible. I suggest all colleges be rated according to their infrastructure, faculty and management and ranked thereby. Also scrap state entrances and make a common entrance test for all.

I tell you what, when I took admission in my college, I was told that it's one of the best in the University (according to some people made ranking). But later I came to know that all colleges in my University were worse. Mine was better, because it was just bad.:mrgreen:

So unless, the ranking is done by some reputable organization, it's of no use. BTW do u think, fairly ranking 1000s of engg. colleges (good, bad and ugly) is even possible?


Yes but there should still be classes. It should just be optional to attend them (i.e. no attendance crap).

I agree, because not all teachers are bad. From my own experience I can tell, that if the teacher is good enough, students themselves come to the classes, not for attendance but to hear the lecture!


No. At your age (10th std) I was more confused than the commentators trying to figure out Ravidra Jadeja's exact role in cricket.


Well worded. Though its all about putting money on the table, if you do what you hate, its as good as watching Ravindra Jadeja wonder if he's playing cricket or golf, coz it's been torture to figure that out till date.

Dude you don't like Ravidra Jadeja, wee bit. Do you?:-o
 
IMO what Mr. Arindham Chaudhary has said in the following video is totally correct *www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oevC_hjYXc&feature=player_embedded . Watch it, listen to the man very carefully :)
 

furious_gamer

Excessive happiness
You used to bunk 3 days out of 5!! Lucky you. Because I can't think of bunking more than 3 classes per week as in my college the minimum attendance required is 70%, otherwise they shoot a letter to the parents, and parents have to come and meet the professors. ( I am sure in other colleges and universities, the condition would be worse.)

There is no attendance crap in my college. There is a way to compromise for that, in the form of fine . :D

And I can't understand the logic of this, because the teachers themselves aren't motivated to teach their subjects. So, after 5 mins of lecture, we start asking for time! Some people have literally slept sitting on the first desk:mrgreen:

Out of 10, only 1 is(rarely :-x) motivated in teaching profession. One of my professor who taught me Java was good among the rest of them, in the four years. Look, how worse the situation was.Apart from that, i used to attend classes , if the professor(ofcourse female :D) looks good or hot.(We had around 6 proff's looks so hot :D)

I don't know about your friend, but I damn hell can teach a few subjects better than my teachers! Now, I am not bragging here, but one can't help when your professors aren't specialist and don't know anything more than whats written in books.

That depends. If i have a good knowledge in OOPS, i can teach whoever needs help. If someone is good at Maths III :)mrgreen:), he can teach us. Simple.

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IMO what Mr. Arindham Chaudhary has said in the following video is totally correct *www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oevC_hjYXc&feature=player_embedded . Watch it, listen to the man very carefully :)

Thats crap. I never believed IIPM and its full of B$.
 

confused

Evolving Rapidly...
yeah i agree its crap, but IMO Arindham Choudhary is also a brilliant marketeer; i have a uncle (who was in top positions in a couple of telecom companies before retiring) who once suggested i read his article "Dare to think beyond IITs/IIMs" while i was toiling away my @ss preparing for IITJEE. I was like WTFBBQ + ROFLCOPTER.

Seriously if even people in the know fall for such crap, what can be said for the common junta??
 

RavS

Kiddie Coder
Well, I didn't find the video to be complete crap. But what Arindam Chaudhary said was obvious. Thats what mostly happens in an engineer's life.
 

priyaviv45

Broken In
Quite a quality thread i found now...m myself an engineer and yes u r ryt tht now-a-days people r just running after engineering profession....the studies in top engineering institutes are damn gud but it is bad in other private institutes...because of no strictness and carefree attitude.....So quality shud be tried to bring not the quantity....
 

furious_gamer

Excessive happiness
^^ +1

Yes, now-a-days, its like you'll join engineering if you don't get a place in a good arts & science college. Yes, very easy to join, even in some reputed colleges if you have enough cash to splurge on.

In TN the case is very bad. The parents are like jockeys who want their son to win in the race and tell that proudly to his friends and relatives, and without giving him a chance to choose what he want to study, they'll pick everything and push him to do that.

This is not fair. Out of 100%, only 25% of parents let the children's do whatever the kid wants to do(luckily my parents come under this 25% :D ) and remaining let their kids do what they didn't achieved in the past.

Even in some cities, i have seen some parents reminding their kid about "Hey, you forgot to study the physucks chapter, switch off the TV and go study". I was like WTF.
 
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prasath_digit

prasath->loves(APPLE);
Well, I think this topic is perfect for debate and IMHO should not be buried deep.

I started this thread nearly an year ago...and it had a very good response...many people posted the truth abt engg in india...now it looks like its picked up again some months ago...this thread should continue on...:cool:
 

gigyaster

Journeyman
I thought engineering education in India is pathetic, but now its beyond that...
This year like millions of students even I appeared AIEEE, but my results are such that getting a govt. college is nearly impossible.But I'am still positive because I love communication systems and thats my passion too.

But now I doubt myself, I feel even that passion will be ruined by the so called engg education in our country.
 

AcceleratorX

Youngling
Personal interest goes to hell in our nation with nearly every student with good scores wanting to pursue engineering or medical. You think only engineering is affected? These days, even the doctors coming out aren't very good at all!

I shudder to think about the medical future of a nation that has been exam oriented from the very foundation of its education system. I have even had cases where I diagnosed a disease earlier than the doctor did, and it is just so wrong that should happen in our country......

Meanwhile, the genuinely interested people never get any decent platform to prove their interest or show their skills because everybody is running for a seat like birds towards grains.

As far as engineering goes, I am willing to bet that the seats of engineering in our nation are higher than combined seats of BCom and BSc. In which nation does this occur? Do people seriously think educational quality can be maintained in any university where a particular stream dominates over others?

The rampant rise in engineering seats and demand is also responsible for the drop in quality of education in all other streams. If all the good-scorers and truly smart people (irrespective of scores) choose this stream, there is very little intellectual talent left for progress and teaching in other streams. Know that every nation requires people from all walks of life - having most talent in engineering leaves very little for other streams and will directly affect the economic, social and scientific progress of our nation - if not now, then 50 years on, we will all see the effects.

People need to wake up to this, or else our country's development will go to hell.
 
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