BJP vs Congress !!

[chooza]

+1
I would have surely voted for BJP if they had fielded someone who wasn't half way into his grave.Advani is 84 years old for crying out loud.If govt sets the retirement age for public sevants to be 65 or 68 years or whatever then why do they think the public will be happy to entrust the running of the whole country to some senile old fart.

Congress, I will never understand your love for Gandhi family and why are you a bunch of f#@king pansies who can't seem to find a leader from among a billion f#$king people and need to be lead by a woman who can't speak a whole goddamn line in one of the native tongues.And to be fair Mr Manmohan Singh is also riding the same train to oblivion as Mr Advani.
Also, why if Mr ManMohan Singh is going to be PM in case of a Congress win do I see pic of Rahul Gandhi in the posters.I believe they are just going to make Rahul the PM after a year or something and we can kiss good bye to every thing as we know it.
Anyway as far as I am concerned these are the only two parties for me.I hate all the coalition crap that is introduced because of the regional parties.

Because Gandhi name is seal of assurance. No other politician in India Other than Mr, AB Vajpayee has such Karisma to unite people, to make them listen to their words. And as far as You are talking about hindi problem of Mrs. Sonia, Kindly tell me how many So called Indian politicians speak in Hindi while giving any statement?Atleast she has courage to connect to the citizens of the country where she was not born. In contrast, Mr Advani or Mr. Modi, who do not have any respect to the citizens of India. No respect for elders, no repect for minor classes. No ethics, no values. Just like THALI KE BAINGAN. Sometimes this, sometimes that.

 

[chooza]

+1
I would have surely voted for BJP if they had fielded someone who wasn't half way into his grave.Advani is 84 years old for crying out loud.If govt sets the retirement age for public sevants to be 65 or 68 years or whatever then why do they think the public will be happy to entrust the running of the whole country to some senile old fart.

Congress, I will never understand your love for Gandhi family and why are you a bunch of f#@king pansies who can't seem to find a leader from among a billion f#$king people and need to be lead by a woman who can't speak a whole goddamn line in one of the native tongues.And to be fair Mr Manmohan Singh is also riding the same train to oblivion as Mr Advani.
Also, why if Mr ManMohan Singh is going to be PM in case of a Congress win do I see pic of Rahul Gandhi in the posters.I believe they are just going to make Rahul the PM after a year or something and we can kiss good bye to every thing as we know it.
Anyway as far as I am concerned these are the only two parties for me.I hate all the coalition crap that is introduced because of the regional parties.

Because Gandhi name is seal of assurance. No other politician in India Other than Mr, AB Vajpayee has such Karisma to unite people, to make them listen to their words. And as far as You are talking about hindi problem of Mrs. Sonia, Kindly tell me how many So called Indian politicians speak in Hindi while giving any statement?Atleast she has courage to connect to the citizens of the country where she was not born. In contrast, Mr Advani or Mr. Modi, who do not have any respect to the citizens of India. No respect for elders, no repect for minor classes. No ethics, no values. Just like THALI KE BAINGAN. Sometimes this, sometimes that.

 

[gcbeldar]

OK guys time to fight ..Whats your take ? Our country is going to civil unrest ..(bomb blasts everywhere, marathi regionalism ..Raj spilling poison,Marathis killing UPites and Biharis etc etc) As Alexander said in the other thread, we should go and vote in the next LS elections the best candidate..Now which party will develop our nation more ?

BJP or Congress ?

My take is BJP ..They are not 100% good but far far better than Congress...
We can see in their regime , even they were not single largest party they had done what Congress hadnt done in 45 years....Lets see their postives and negatives (Source : Wiki):

POSITIVES :

1. The new Government carried out an electoral promise with the 5 nuclear tests at Pokhran, in Rajasthan in 1998, which gave India a weaponised nuclear capacity.

2. Opening the skies to commercial airlines

3. The government especially catered to the rising information technology industry

4. lowered taxes for middle-class Indians and businesses

5. Vajpayee took a personal interest in the Golden Quadrilateral project, a road system which aimed at linking the four corners of the nation with heavy, industrial roads --> MORE INFRASTRUCTURE, MORE JOBS better INDIA

6. They were also thinking of linking rivers but by the time they act, govt was OUT


NEGATIVES :

1. Totally flopped on Kargil (524 Indian soldiers died )

2. KANDHAR HIJACK CASE ---> External Affairs Minister, Jaswant Singh, personally escorted three terrorists to Kandahar in return for the hostages on board a hijacked aircraft. This was shown on discovery full documentary that if Vajapyee had sent Amritsar Police to aircraft, these three terrorist would still be in Indian Jail

3. Unable to prevent or abort Akshardham, Raghunath Mandir, the Parliament and Red Fort attacks. Afzal Guru, convicted in the Parliament House attack case, had been arrested and let off two months before the incident took place

4. Tehelka sting operation caught the BJP president, Bangaru Laxman, accepting Rs 1 lakh in cash from journalists pretending to be defence dealers



Some of the professed goals of the BJP are:

1. The Repeal of Article 370 of the Constitution, which prevents non-Kashmiris, including Hindus who have fled the area due to increasing terrorism, from owning property in the state of Jammu and Kashmir.
2. The Promulgation of a Uniform Common Civil Code, which create only one personal and civil law code for Hindus, Muslims and Christians, who enjoy the privilege of having law codes tailored to their religious culture over personal and family matters. In the minds of BJP supporters, this system creates a sense of division in the country between religious communities.
3. A Ban on Cow Slaughter, to honor the Hindu tradition of deeming cows and most cattle as sacred, and prohibiting the consumption of beef and pork.
4. The Ban on Forcible Religious Conversions
5. The Construction of the Ram Janmabhoomi temple in Ayodhya.
6. To achieve the full territorial and political integration of Jammu and Kashmir with India. Presently over 40% of the territory is under the control of Pakistan and China.

UNIFORM CIVIL CODE I fully agree ..Why there should be any discrimination between Indians ?

BJP has enacted POTA----> terrorism major control
Golden Quadrilateral, Nuclear test etc etc..These can only really develop our nation...Congress has removed it and now u can see whats happening in our country..BLASTS everywhere ...

We can see BJP ruled states like Gujarat, HP etc are doing much more good than Congress rules states...

SO IMO BJP is far far better than Congress at any time.. What do u guys say ?

+1 for BJP

 

[uchiha_madara]

Because Gandhi name is seal of assurance. No other politician in India Other than Mr, AB Vajpayee has such Karisma to unite people, to make them listen to their words. And as far as You are talking about hindi problem of Mrs. Sonia, Kindly tell me how many So called Indian politicians speak in Hindi while giving any statement?Atleast she has courage to connect to the citizens of the country where she was not born. In contrast, Mr Advani or Mr. Modi, who do not have any respect to the citizens of India. No respect for elders, no repect for minor classes. No ethics, no values. Just like THALI KE BAINGAN. Sometimes this, sometimes that.

Gandhi name an assurance, maybe for you bro not for me(you don't need to sell me your viewpoint ).Tell me when did she bring together the people of India a feat even Mr A.B.Vajpayee was only capable in times when national pride was at stake like during our testing of Nukes etc.
Switch on the television bro or go outside and listen to one of the rallies and all you are gonna listen is politicians emptying out there lungs in the native tongue.
Courage what courage at the worst she would have gone back to her cosy life, it is not as if she clawed her way from lower party position to the top, she was just put their by the upper echelon of Congress and it is this mindset that I find upsetting.Instead of nurturing current and future politicians who might lead our country they just keep pandering to the Gandhi family.
Yeah they too have their faults and I think the phrase(I don't get what you have written) you are looking for is " Bepende ke Lote" and I don't think you can apply to Narendra Modi, he is been pretty adamant about his disdain for things that he doesn't agree to.

 

[Phantom Lancer]

One major point everybody seems to have forgotten is

The demolition of Babri Masjid was directly responsible for terrorist attacks inside India .... Large scale terrorist attacks were formerly conducted by Paki outfits on Indian army personnel in Kashmir only ....... But after Babri Masjid episode Terrorists started targeting soft targets (civilian targets) all over India .

After most attacks (large scale attacks on civilians) Babri Majid is featured as a key reason by the attackers .
Heres a link (wiki) on attacks (large scale suicide bombings) carried out in Mumbai .... notice that all attacks are dated after the year 1992

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_India

i agree with what a poster posted before .

Congress is too lenient and BJP too aggressive

anyways most of BJP's Hindutva ideals are totally in opposition to India's secular constitution drafted by leaders such Nehru and Gandhi (they are the ones who got us freedom after all) .

 

[Phantom Lancer]

@ Anonrion

You have presented an extremely simplistic, almost a naïve understanding of communism. Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion.

Are you trying out your vocabulary on him ... he s pretty well informed actually

Every single theory, which is subjective to individual interpretations, will have multiple facets. It is inevitable. The theory of communism is not fragmented.

unfortunately that view is carried , not only by Anorion but also by many historians in general

Different people have tried to look at it from different perspective, gave it a different spin. I will not bore you with the details of the differences between Marxism and Leninism and Maoism etc. The basic differences are extremely subtle and technical and are mainly about the implementation of MARXISM.

Agreed

Marxism, however, remains at the core of all the so called “fragmentations” . Fragmentations were not the reason why communism waned. Internal inconsistencies and flawed logic resulted in its demise.

Fragmentation especially between China and the soviet Union ( or rather by Mao ze Dong and Khrushchev ) was a major reason for the wane of communism .

The effects were felt as far away as Middle East (infighting among Palestinian factions), Africa ->Somalian-Ethiopian war,Angolan war etc

China once allied to the soviet Union was actively trying to take soviet union's place as the ideological leader of the communist block . By actively promoting Maoism and supplanting the (according to Mao) "revisionist view of Communism" propagated by Khrushchev led USSR .

Khrushchev's revisionist version deviated quiet a bit from the core Marxist-Leninist view of communism followed by Stalin previously

The Indian scene is extremely different and it has got nothing to do with communism itself. A faction of the unified CPI wanted to support Congress while another faction did not. This resulted in the split. The CPI(M-L) entered the scene much later and was a freak movement started at Naxalbari.

Wrong ! ..... Sino-Soviet split reflected in Indian circles too especially in West Bengal ...... As you are well aware , Naxalites are Maoists

To quote from wikipedia's article on Naxalites

"Naxalite or Naxalism is an informal name given to communist groups that were born out of the Sino-Soviet split in the Indian communist movement. " -Courtesy wikipedia

You will understand that only when you realize that , one of the major ideals of Maoism is "the violent showdown with capitalists" .... so it encourages violence like that followed by Naxalites

while revisionists held that "communism could co-exist with capitalism" which is unacceptable to Maoists ....

thats the difference

 

[uchiha_madara]

@Phantom Lancer: [off topic] nice signature.
I was totally surprised to learn(not today of course) that Babri Masjid demolition was mostly a hand and hammer enterprise[\off topic].
Agree with post #145 except that give credit to many other, well known leaders of the day rather than the one who spawned a dynasty(well more or less that is the truth).

 

[chooza]

Gandhi name an assurance, maybe for you bro not for me(you don't need to sell me your viewpoint ).Tell me when did she bring together the people of India a feat even Mr A.B.Vajpayee was only capable in times when national pride was at stake like during our testing of Nukes etc.
Switch on the television bro or go outside and listen to one of the rallies and all you are gonna listen is politicians emptying out there lungs in the native tongue.
Courage what courage at the worst she would have gone back to her cosy life, it is not as if she clawed her way from lower party position to the top, she was just put their by the upper echelon of Congress and it is this mindset that I find upsetting.Instead of nurturing current and future politicians who might lead our country they just keep pandering to the Gandhi family.
Yeah they too have their faults and I think the phrase(I don't get what you have written) you are looking for is " Bepende ke Lote" and I don't think you can apply to Narendra Modi, he is been pretty adamant about his disdain for things that he doesn't agree to.

R U Serious???? Natinal Pride was at stake at the time of Pokeran blast or at the time of Parliament attack or at Godhra????For your knowledge, I just want to share with you that I do not watch TV etal. And I am considering Sonia as an outsider, not an Indian. Got it??? Mr. AB Vajpayee was in BJP, but his thoughts are from Pre independence era, where, everyone works for India, Its not like that First praise Jinna, and then saying sorry for that. When, govt. Invite you to tackle mumbai, you are saying that I am busy with my election program, Infact, today BJP do not have any agenda to focus (except gaining the power)Lets take and example of Brother sister duo from same family. Had you ever heard anything nasty about Late Mr.Madhav Rao Sindhia??? compare it with Mrs. Vasundhra Raje Sindhia. Right? and about Mr. Modi, Do you seriously think he deserve to lead modern India, and what you think about India, do it contains only HINDU??? or Male society???? Where was Mr. Advani and Mr. Modi, when Some stupids from Bajrang Dal was beating girls like anything.If same treatment was given to some female member of your family, then also, you think like this??? or you praise a chief minihster, who is resposible for Godhra to lead India??? SORRY BOSS, i AM MUCH HAPPY WITH A PERSON FROM FOREIGN ORGIN TO LIVE AS COMPARE TO THESE LOCALS. AND AS FAR AS COMFORT IS CONCERN, BJP IS VERY MUCH KNOWN TO ESTABLISH RIOTS IN COUNTRY AND THEIR LEADERS WERE SITTING IN AC JAILS WITH ALL THE COMFORTS.

 

[Phantom Lancer]

BJP's support for parties such as the RSS is really their biggest mistake (i believe) .....

Just today i came across this article from a newspaper .... heres the online page
titled

"Poisoning the minds of Children"

*www.hindu.com/2009/04/15/stories/2009041555871100.htm

This is what is taught in state run schools sponsored by the RSS
heres a sample text (rest in the link)

Internal Achievements of Nazism: Hitler lent dignity and prestige to the German government within a short time by establishing a strong administrative set up. He created the vast state of Greater Germany. He adopted the policy of opposition towards the Jewish people and advocated the supremacy of the German race. He adopted a new economic policy and brought prosperity to Germany….He instilled the spirit of adventure in the common people.

German race-pride has now become the topic of the day. To keep up the purity of the race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the semitic racesthe Jews. Race-pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well nigh impossible it is for Races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for use in Hindusthan to learn and profit by.

can u effin believe that ?? Encouraging Nazi style Genocide in India (of non- Hindus of course)

 

[MetalheadGautham]

Exactly. Congress and some other non-central parties are the only "lesser-evil" parties. Left has an outdated ideology, while BJP has a communist ideology. Congress too has some issues, like family monopoly (of the Ghandi/Nehru family) and they ditched Pranab Mukherjee temporarily because he was ambitious for power in congress. But outside its internals, I think its a fairly safe party to vote, more so in recession because Chidambaram and Manmohan Singh are very experienced ex-finance ministers.

 

[mediator]

A party run by a bunch of oligarchs, who couldn't "accept" muslim "surname" in their own family and politically involved and started the 1984 riots, is "lesser evil" and "secular"? Aren't they the one who are favouring muslim reservation? Talk about Sharia and hypocrisy over hindutva. So, freedom for afzal and discrimination towards sadhvi and others? NSA for Varun and nuthing for Lalu? Whats worse, would we be having separatists contesting elections? Talking about ideology, I guess BJP atleast calls for uniform civil code.

I believe madrassas sheltering and producing terrorists should be razed and religious laws be removed from constitution. Had 'minorities' approached the party for their 'problems', I bet Congress would have even allowed talibanization of India. And then, we have a moron on the loose , the future of India, bah Humbug.

Neways, Personal predilections...!

 

[MetalheadGautham]

Thats why I said "lesser evil". Others screw up more. Much more. I would rather have Islamist Terrorism than Hindutava Terrorism because the no. of muslims is much less compared to no. of hindus so less potential damage.

As for 84 riots, they atleast apologised and are behaving today.

Newayz, if you want removal of religious laws from constitution, Left is the only way and they screw things up real tight as far as the economy is concerned. Aren't they the ones who think taxing should increase exponentially with money ? Thats one of the worst possible scenarios. If I study hard and earn, they grab half my money, while the n00b who wastes his time using the worst possible techniques for farming and brings the nation's GDP down, has his expenditure subsidised by my money instead of knocking some brains into him by making farming diplomas/degrees/certificates courses free and compulsary for them so that they make India look more respectable.

 

[esumitkumar]

BJP's support for parties such as the RSS is really their biggest mistake (i believe) .....

Just today i came across this article from a newspaper .... heres the online page
titled

"Poisoning the minds of Children"

*www.hindu.com/2009/04/15/stories/2009041555871100.htm

This is what is taught in state run schools sponsored by the RSS
heres a sample text (rest in the link)


can u effin believe that ?? Encouraging Nazi style Genocide in India (of non- Hindus of course)

hmm..and have u ever gone and see whats taught in these so called Madarsas ????

 

[Phantom Lancer]

hmm..and have u ever gone and see whats taught in these so called Madarsas ????

Have you ??

 

[Phantom Lancer]

A party run by a bunch of oligarchs, who couldn't "accept" muslim "surname" in their own family and politically involved and started the 1984 riots, is "lesser evil" and "secular"? Aren't they the one who are favouring muslim reservation? Talk about Sharia and hypocrisy over hindutva. So, freedom for afzal and discrimination towards sadhvi and others? NSA for Varun and nuthing for Lalu? Whats worse, would we be having separatists contesting elections? Talking about ideology, I guess BJP atleast calls for uniform civil code.

I believe madrassas sheltering and producing terrorists should be razed and religious laws be removed from constitution. Had 'minorities' approached the party for their 'problems', I bet Congress would have even allowed talibanization of India. And then, we have a moron on the loose , the future of India, bah Humbug.

Neways, Personal predilections...!

Theres only one party(or rather an alliance) that carries Religious fundamentalism as one of its key ideals in its party manifesto / and its not congress ......
Congress does play vote bank politics ..... but to say that they ll do anything that the minority community asks (like implementing sharia in India) is really silly .....

I believe that Varun was targeted by the BSP and Congress was just a mute spectator (obviously because he was from BJP) ..... i doubt any other party in place of congress would have done anything different ...... they take every opportunity to attack each other

I support the view that religious laws should be removed .... this would not be possible if BJP came to power .... because reservation based on caste or religion (which i dont support ) is not a law .......but BJP (especially one with Advani in the forefront /EX-RSS guy ) will look to implement religious laws biased against particular religions ....

From past experience i am really suspicious of the Uniform civil code ......

Uniform Civil code if implemented correctly is the best possible cure for the communally divided people in India ..... BUT such laws which give the ruling govt quite a lot of power have been used in the past to attack rival parties or particular sections of the society ........

good examples were POTA and the anti-religious conversion laws (implemented in certain states) ....... In both cases none of the wrong doers were arrested .... it was merely used as a tool by the ruling party to arrest all those who opposed their views

I believe that UPC is just such one such tool ...... i dont think it will be implemented in the spirit of democracy and secularism

 

[mediator]

@mhg : I thought you would condemn sharia. But, instead you favoured it on some absurd logic. Strange hun?

A political party which was 'politically' involved in the "start" of 1984 riots and now still proposing minority appeasement and all sort of reservations based on it,...., you call that "behaving"?

Left is not the way, its the suicide path, a party which is allowing Bangladeshis in lieu of muslim vote banks, atleast BJP recognises the issue and its perils ! And whats wrong in taxes based on income? Dun mind, but all I can say is that you have a child's understanding of taxes. The one's who are doing hardwork day and night aren't noobies.

Just like the gap between rich and poor, condition of illiteracy etc cannot be solved in a day or even in an year, the condition of farmer cannot be solved just like that. You are looking at a country with a huge population and majority of land under agriculture. Your view is like of a person who thinks that there are no ups and downs in life and that life is all simple, smooth and without dangers and difficulties. About 70% of the people of India depend on agriculture for employment and logically all of them for food. One cannot deny the fact that food is more important than finished goods from industries. Obviously you cannot see the various factors affecting the situation and the repercussions if the steps are not taken carefully. An interesting read...
*www.stwr.org/food-security-agricul...l-have-400-million-agricultural-refugees.html

Then we have people who are earning a lot but aren't doing much work. A class of politicians come under such category. We have soldiers. Do you know the implementations on them? Or will you call them noobies? A betterment for farmer will obviously mean that he will be able to buy and apply advanced techniques, which in turn will be better for the economy. A better income for farmer will mean less immigration from rural to urban areas. Have you ever journeyed through a train to the remotest parts of India? If not, then its highly recommended for people like you who are oblivious to the reality where you will find empty agricultural lands for hours while viewing from the train window with only a few farmers in the sight. See the situation in Delhi or any metros, where people from small villages and town from all over India are immigrating to. What happens? The metros become congested, security lapses, it becomes polluted, accidents and murders rise exponentially and what not. How can a limited police force take care of a metro where 1000s of people are entering everyday for job? What happens in rural areas? People leave that place and that leads to a dangerous situation where terrorists might take refuge easily and form a base. Who would do development where there is less population instead of higher populated ones which can yield higher vote banks? Recently in newspapers, it reported that in some part of sikkim, no politician goes as it high up on the mountains and population is just about 2000 people and there is no development work that has been happening.


Is that what you want, i.e a vicious circle? If the farmers of Haryana and Punjab can succeed, then why not the farmers of the rest of India? You talk ignorant as if you are concerned only of yourself and not the entire nation.

You need to reflect ...

Thats one of the worst possible scenarios. If I study hard and earn, they grab half my money, while the n00b who wastes his time using the worst possible techniques for farming and brings the nation's GDP down, has his expenditure subsidised by my money instead of knocking some brains into him by making farming diplomas/degrees/certificates courses free and compulsary for them so that they make India look more respectable.

Atleast, Be grateful of what you eat and towards the producer!

Theres only one party(or rather an alliance) that carries Religious fundamentalism as one of its key ideals in its party manifesto / and its not congress ......

Like I said each has his own views. Does it really matter if Congress doesn't have 'religious fundamentalism' as its ideologies? Remember, actions speak louder than words!!!

 

[Phantom Lancer]

^ And your reply was nt much better !

In order to help people from the lower echelons of the society positive measures should be implemented ....... like schemes (that are actually implemented) from farmers [No interest micro loans , low cost modern farm equipment and the like]

But you know what they do .... They increase the tax for the middle class people and with all the tax they collect ... do they implement anything ?? Nope ... A lot of money is set aside for such schemes but this money never reaches the intended people due to corruption

Its not like the Indian govt is short of money (tax and grants from other countries and UN) ... its just that they are not sincere in its implementation .....

I too def wont want to pay high tax if its just going to end up in some politician's pocket or overseas bank account

Neither govt was effective in this

No wonder , i was nt surprised to see a party showing a lot of interest in bringing back the huge amount of black money from switz ,,, for the betterment of India ?? ....... $$$$
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Like I said each has his own views

I am not Advani and you are not Manmohan Singh ......you can have your view and i can have mine and we can discuss about it .... nothings going to change

. Does it really matter if Congress doesn't have 'religious fundamentalism' as its ideologies? Remember, actions speak louder than words!!!

Actions speak louder than words !
they have nt been instigating any riots lately have they ??


FYI : I am neither pro congress nor pro BJP ...... as most of the posts in this thread have been pro BJP i am arguing for congress now ...... just dont take this discussion personally !

 

[mediator]

Had u read the entire thread, u'd have noticed that I'm also not pro Congress or pro BJP. Regarding riots, I don't think Gujarat govt "instigated" any riot, the one which was "started" by a muslim mob and killed kar sevaks, who were just returning from their "yatra" from ayodhya many of whom were women and children, and murdered in a cold and calculated way!! Even Nanavati report has given the clean chit.

*www.pressnote.in/readnews.php?id=43307

Its only normal for people to get furiated when someone kills innocent people like that returning from some "yatra" and that too "women and children" on board.
*www.thehindu.com/2002/03/10/stories/2002031000021700.htm

But you know what they do .... They increase the tax for the middle class people and with all the tax they collect ... do they implement anything ?? Nope ... A lot of money is set aside for such schemes but this money never reaches the intended people due to corruption

Its not like the Indian govt is short of money (tax and grants from other countries and UN) ... its just that they are not sincere in its implementation .....

I too def wont want to pay high tax if its just going to end up in some politician's pocket or overseas bank account

Neither govt was effective in this

No wonder , i was nt surprised to see a party showing a lot of interest in bringing back the huge amount of black money from switz ,,, for the betterment of India ??

Thats what defines today's politicians! Being corrupt is a requisite.

ust today i came across this article from a newspaper .... heres the online page
titled

"Poisoning the minds of Children"

*www.hindu.com/2009/04/15/stor...1555871100.htm

This is what is taught in state run schools sponsored by the RSS
heres a sample text (rest in the link)

So? The truth should be eradicated from the history? I never see anyone condemning the "the chapters of mughal glorification in NCERT books"?? Imagine young children thinking that we had been mughal slaves for centuries!

Refer this thread => *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109640

Why do those self-certified "secularists" who don't see the 'actions' of a situation are quick to point out the 'reactions' and refer it "communal"?? This will certainly happen if those who play apathetic towards one section and favour reservation and all sorts of luxuries for another. And then the sleeping beauties, the self-proclaimed judges will christen the activists of the former section as "communal". Well, I dont see anyone shouting that "muslim reservation" is communal. Nobody even sees this as a problem. Day wont be long when people will rise and demand hindu reservation and the sleeping beauties will wake from their hibernation and then call them "communal". Can anybody stop the slaughter of goats?

 

[MetalheadGautham]

@mediator:

Don't you see ? I said instead of telling them to take more and more loans, they should be TAUGHT how to farm well. The same land is used in countries abroad for much much better harvests. Education is the one and only thing that can save them, these tax sops, subsidies, etc can act as temporary measures but having them forever is just stupid. Its like cutting leaves of weeds hoping that they don't grow, while they should be digging them up from the root to create a permanent solution.

Farming Industry is actually the industry in India with potential for maximum growth. All this can happen if and only if farmers are taught how to farm like PROS. Do you know that while 70% of Indians depend directly or indirectly on farming, their average efficiency is like 10% of the rest of the world ? Imagine what would happen if 70% of India starts earning 10 times what they earn now.

I voice my anger at the fact that while hard working people earning money are taxed a lot, the money does nothing useful.

Do you know that in Karnataka, the University of Agricultural Sciences is having 10 acres of its land demolished to widen a road ? Along with it are going several research plots, rare herbs and several trees.

Also, here the government allots lots of money to these hindu religious institutions, called "maths".

And politicians waste the time in the parliament arguing and causing several adjournments while eating up taxpayer's money.

Do you know that the MP, bollywood actor Govinda has only 12% attendance of the Lok Sabha in 2004-2009 ? And many MPs have single digit attendance percentage ? What does the government do to them ?

And look at the mumbai police. Buying weapons they won't even need by paying high prices without testing and screwing up.


This is what I term blasphemy.

They are WASTING taxpayer's money for all the wrong reasons.

I don't mind excessive taxation if the money collected is an INVESTMENT. But this is different. Most of the money goes waste. Tax money should be thought of like a Loan. A loan shouldn't be fully used up for just filling one's stomach. It should be used for investing in something which will assure you of plentiful to eat for years to come.

I remember my grandfather telling me of the times in 1950s when jobs were created in thousands with the help of Five Year plans and literacy and GDP increased exponentially. What do we have today ? NOTHING.

 

[mediator]

And thats why I said that you are quite unaware of the reality. Just "Teaching" them won't do any good. You think farmers are not aware of whats good for them? Ok, take the case of reservation as an example (I hope others wont start digressing on this one). Do u think a person from remote village probably "an ideal" SC/ST/OBC who hasn't done his education properly, no personality which is supposed to be developed in schools, can really live and perform like others? Do u think reservation, low qualification/passing marks are really helping in "competing" with rest of the students? Will he have the same "facilities" as those general class students like a computer, internet, books to buy etc? He might be having problems at home. So just by giving "reservation", are we really doing any good?

Take the case of Btech. A person doing Btech needs to master all his technical knowledge at the end. Do u think those who entered through "ideal" OBC reservation will have all the materials to practice on? Practicals need material like listed above. no material, no practice!! Do u think an "ideal" OBC person can enroll for RHCE which needs thorough practicals and deep knowledge of comupters?? Perhaps, the OBC student might know "how" to proceed, but might not have sufficient funds.

Obviously he needs to have money and IMO, should be financially supported and made to compete "on equal terms".

Coming back, so "telling/teaching them" them is like giving "reservation" without any financial support which is absolutely silly.

their average efficiency is like 10% of the rest of the world

Here's a read for you. Understand it ...
*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmers'_suicides_in_India

Like discussed above, is the money meant for farmers really reaching them? Are they being given an equal reward for their harvest?

Do you know that in Karnataka, the University of Agricultural Sciences is having 10 acres of its land demolished to widen a road ? Along with it are going several research plots, rare herbs and several trees.

Do u know in my area (Delhi), there are more than 5 malls in 5 km radius, plenty of roadside shops, hundreds of eating joints and small complexes etc and the green cover razed without much concern over rail metro links, common wealth preparation, road widening, road digging every year of the same area etc etc. That is our government which reduces the green cover that will result to more pollution in the already congested capital, lowering of water table etc. Why dig up the same road again an again? Can't they fix it up properly? And then, their intensity increases before elctions. How much money is wasted in digging the road again n again i.e inefficient plannng of the road? Who needs a dozens of malls so close to each other (?) and more coming up at the price of green cover. Coming to think of it Deli might be having more than 20 malls now and what not.

Its not the "tax", but the inefficiency of all the governments unable to handle the matter fluently. What else will happen with the unequal development of our country? Delhi is still going under development like they wont leave any tree around. While most parts of India are left untouched, consequences explained! The moment you enter from Delhi to Noida (UP) u can 'feel' the insecurity, though Delhi is still the topper in the crime rate chart. If Delhites can indulge in all out verbal battles over a small accident at traffic lights, then you can see revolvers in UP over the same.

Don't u think our tax is also being misused in "accomodating" the 2 crore bangladeshis and still rising, who steal electricity, are involved in thefts and murders, getting free government medical facilties and petty vote banks??

Do note, the intensity of my quotation where I have put the word "ideal". You need to understand that helping farmers is "not" a wastage of tax, but an assurance for a better tomorrow. But are the farmer really being helped? A straight forward approach like "educating" them isn't much of an answer. Even then, if we consider that they have zero experience and no knowledge, the question arises "How to educate them"? Will they be given financial support there as well?

Again, do note the size of population and territory under agriculture and add the term "politics" to it, both in terms of typicality and efficiency.