BJP vs Congress !!

[INS-ANI]

But its not DIGIT member vote that will count. We are the class of people, who are not a vote bank, and most of us don't even vote.

beside b/w BJP and CNG..its a tough choice. one is ass and another a hole.

 

[anispace]

But its not DIGIT member vote that will count. We are the class of people, who are not a vote bank, and most of us don't even vote.

beside b/w BJP and CNG..its a tough choice. one is ass and another a hole.

+1

@axxo
The BJP led NDA govt had badly messed up the situation during the 99 Kandahar hijack. They had an opportunity to capture the plane from the hijackers twice when it was still in India. But they still let it go to Afghanistan. Watch the documentary. It was on NGC i think.

 

[vish786]

+1

@axxo
The BJP led NDA govt had badly messed up the situation during the 99 Kandahar hijack. They had an opportunity to capture the plane from the hijackers twice when it was still in India. But they still let it go to Afghanistan. Watch the documentary. It was on NGC i think.

Opportunity ? How many hours do you think plane landed in India ? they landed for fuel. They had already warned by killing one hostage in Amritsar(who had gone for honeymoon to kathmandu and wife didnt even know that her husband was dead until plane arrived back to India) Now imagine if BJP(Well you idiot its not BJP's fault since it was in power @ that time, do you blame Congress for the Terror happened in Mumbai recently?!) Again, if a severe action was taken by attacking them these would lead to more death of hostages while the opposition would blame BJP for causing the deaths of innocent hostages since BJP was ruling & if Congress was ruling at that time would you blame congress for it??

Stop wining when you dont know what exactly is going on or else stfu and try to analyse the complex situation completely with different strategies then you can put forth your VIEWS!!

I was avoiding this thread cause of ignorant replies and your crappy post right from beginning made me post this.. you retarded fool.

Ignorance is Annoying & you trying to be a `I know All` smartass had crossed the limits of annoying

 

[Aberforth]

Personally, I support neither. Both BJP and Congress are different piles of the same garbage that Indian politics is. Neither the BJP, nor the Congress have any magical talisman to transform India into an utopia.

# A Ban on Cow Slaughter, to honor the Hindu tradition of deeming cows and most cattle as sacred, and prohibiting the consumption of beef and pork.

I thought India was a secular and democratic country, not a fascist Hindu-Taliban state. If I want to consume beef and pork, it is my imperative, not that of the government. The government needs to address more serious issues than trying to dictate meat eating habits of non-Hindus.

However for the time being, India needs POTA+Modi to cleanup things....

Yeah, organising ethnic genocides is the best way to clean up things. Because suicide bombers are really concerned about what law they are going to be tried in.

Have u ever seen Pakistan's state of Affairs ? How Hindu minority is living there ? How free are they to practice their religion and worship ?

Pakistan is a mess. An irreparable mess. If the BJP holds India's reins and gets its inspiration from Pakistan, then I'd feel sorry for India's future.

Whatever happened to the hammer and the sickle?

It rarely sells, because Laissez-Faire capitalists can package their ideas into more colourful and attractive wrappings. The propaganda is so successful that people ignore the bland product underneath.

Democracy works only in a country where the entire population is educated and well informed. Fat chance of that between the govt and the media.

Exactly. Democracy in India is dictated by the law of "government by the idiots, for the idiots and of the idiots". Hence, it is in the interests of our political overlords to keep the voting public in the shackles of idiocy and/or poverty.

 

[Infernal12]

Neither is my opinion. What India needs is a young vibrant leadership, capable of fast decisions, and most importantly, which learns from its mistakes.

 

[anispace]

Opportunity ? How many hours do you think plane landed in India ? they landed for fuel. They had already warned by killing one hostage in Amritsar(who had gone for honeymoon to kathmandu and wife didnt even know that her husband was dead until plane arrived back to India) Now imagine if BJP(Well you idiot its not BJP's fault since it was in power @ that time, do you blame Congress for the Terror happened in Mumbai recently?!) Again, if a severe action was taken by attacking them these would lead to more death of hostages while the opposition would blame BJP for causing the deaths of innocent hostages since BJP was ruling & if Congress was ruling at that time would you blame congress for it??

Stop wining when you dont know what exactly is going on or else stfu and try to analyse the complex situation completely with different strategies then you can put forth your VIEWS!!

I was avoiding this thread cause of ignorant replies and your crappy post right from beginning made me post this.. you retarded fool.

Ignorance is Annoying & you trying to be a `I know All` smartass had crossed the limits of annoying

read this u ignorant moron>>
How Govt lost the IC-814 hijack deal
And see the documentary.

And yes the Maharashtra govt is to be blamed for the Mumbai attacks. The point I was making was that the BJP is no better and the Mumbai attacks would have happened irrespective of the govt in power.


And whats with these abuses.If you want to make a point, talk properly. Such language just makes u sound like a retard. And as u mentioned plz stay away from posting in this debate.

 

[esumitkumar]

hmm..so it seems ppl are not satisfied by Congress neither BJP..So whats the answer ?? communism ?? CPI and CPM are bas*ards in India ..........

Should we all form a communist party whose main motto is development irrespective of caste,sex,religion and all that crap ???

 

[Mystic]

Communism isn't the solution. Isn't that will too be controlled by these fu-ktards?
And please, take a look at the Chinese people not just the development, they have no freedom of speech. At least at the moment we can say what we want to.

Should we all form a communist party whose main motto is development irrespective of caste,sex,religion and all that crap ???

OR form a democratic party whose main motto would be development irrespective of caste, sex, religion and all that crap.

Democracy is fine, the people who make it a bad example will still exists despite if the system is communist or whatever. They, and we - average Indian, are the one that need to be changed. And you know what exactly I meant by the average Indian.

Presidential rule might be a option, but that's another story.

But honestly, whatever, I don't see any hope. Wish if I, personally, was in the state of doing something.

 

[Anorion]

Communism is a highly misunderstood and fragmented ideology. You don't need much to destroy an ideology, just half a century worth of Reader's Digest articles bashing communism is enough to do it - but there was much more propoganda. The communist parties are all involved in in-fighting about what the ideology is, and therefore cannot put up a presentable front for themselves. It basically means two things.
1) No god
2) Rule of the working class
It just means that everyone is equal, that there is no omnipotent authority over us, and that all the resources we have (including intellect and expertise) belong to everyone and should be shared. That's it. What the parties say, I don't know, and I don't care to know.
I don't support what is called communism now a days. But I support the right of the farmer and the wage worker to have a say. Democracy does not give them this power, because you need money to form a party, and these folks don't have it. Like it or not, there is a very distinct class stratification in our society. If the resources are shared, and the economy were not to be based on resource hoarding, everyone would have more.
India took a major step forward when it refused to join the capitalists or the communists, and decided to go for being socialist. IT just did not continue down that road.

 

[karnivore]

Communism is a highly misunderstood and fragmented ideology.

With all due respect, the misunderstanding is in your mind.

You don't need much to destroy an ideology, just half a century worth of Reader's Digest articles bashing communism is enough to do it - but there was much more propoganda.

Wrong. If propaganda can get the best of an ideology, it does not speak too highly of the ideology. Besides, can you give me some examples of propaganda, as in hearsay/rumour/false flags that were propagated as fact to demean communism.

It basically means two things.
1) No god
2) Rule of the working class
It just means that everyone is equal, that there is no omnipotent authority over us, and that all the resources we have (including intellect and expertise) belong to everyone and should be shared.

So you do not know what communism is all about. Good.

But I support the right of the farmer and the wage worker to have a say. Democracy does not give them this power, because you need money to form a party, and these folks don't have it.

Even, democracy escapes your understanding. Double goodie.

If the resources are shared, and the economy were not to be based on resource hoarding, everyone would have more.

Really. How. Care to elaborate.

India took a major step forward when it refused to join the capitalists or the communists, and decided to go for being socialist.

Yes, it was a good choice. But it stretched way beyond its expiry date. More than half the problems that we face today are the direct result of that.

IT just did not continue down that road.

Thank your lucky stars for that.

 

[Anorion]

@Karnivore.
I don't claim to be an expert in Communism, but I can clarify my stand and some of your questions. The confusion is not in my mind. When I claimed it to be a fragmented and confused ideology, I was referring to two aspects of communism. Its fragmented because there are many branches and derivatives of communism, from marxism, leninism, titoism to maoism. There is no single canonical version of communism, and each party has bent the ideology for its own use. In India itself, there are four major communist parties who are fighting amongst themselves on the basis of ideology alone. That is why I said communism is a fragmented ideology. The confused part of it is a result of this fragmentation, which does not give a clear picture of exactly what communism is to everyone.
About the propoganda, there is a famous paper that students of the mass media have access to called manufacturing consent. This is basically tells why the mass media indulges in propoganda and how. There are four media "filters" that disallow certain kind of information from appearing the the media, as this would not allow for distribution, circulation or profits. These filters are ownership, that is nothing negative about the owners, the second filter is advertising, nothing negative about the advertisers, the third filter is sourcing, that is where the information is sourced from (which in turn have the first two filters too), and the fourth filter is flak, that is criticism against the publication, and the final filter is anti-communism. So anti-communist propoganda is a basic necessity of mass media. This is because the whole enviornment where mass media thrives in, as in advertising, different products, things like brand loyalty and consumption (of goods and services, not just food) cannot happen in a communist enviornment.
Really, look it up, filter whatever you read for yourself, and communism is basically a classless society of human beings sharing everything on earth without a god above. There are forms of communism that accept god, but that's just sissy communism. Bhagat Singh was a communist, who did not believe in God. A lot of Russians were communists who did not believe in God, and the industrial produce back then was great.
Imagine a society without brands. Say a product like a shirt would be of the same quality for everyone. It would be of the same price. All bags would be of the same quality. This conserves more resources, so that competetors don't have to hoard and waste materials. There would be just a single latest chip or graphic card in the market, without the business of two or more competitors just muddying up the field and giving products of a lower standard than they would have if they had worked together.

Now the point of democracy. It is great in theory, but not in practice. You cannot keep everyone happy, and say twenty one percent of the people do not vote for the BJP in the next elections, twenty one percent of a billion is still a large number of people, and it does not make sense to ignore their demands.

Right now the economic system stratifies the people. A car is not just a car, its a status symbol. While four wheels and an engine are there to take people around, there is a class associated with every car, whether it is a maruti, a santro, or a gallardo. The same applies for a phone. If it were all the same, then a lot of wastage would be saved on - all the materials wasted on advertising, all the materials wasted on competing products, all the manpower used pitting designers against each other instead of focussing their energies together. This may not work out for everyone, and it has its flaws, but that's what the idea is, that's what the ideology is.

I am not saying communism IS the answer for sure, or that it does not have problems. I am just saying that it is heavily misunderstood and people are not open minded about it.

 

[khurana_rishabh]

hmm..so it seems ppl are not satisfied by Congress neither BJP..So whats the answer ?? communism ?? CPI and CPM are bas*ards in India ..........

Should we all form a communist party whose main motto is development irrespective of caste,sex,religion and all that crap ???

Well.. I have a suggestion.. There should be a law nullifying any election in which the turnout of voters in a constituency is less than 75% ( or something like that) and contestants would be forced to go for re-election.

Implications of such law -

1. No Vote - bank Politics : Politicians will have to cater the needs of much larger section of people
2. Right to "Not to Vote"

Problems which might come up in the implementation -

1. Cost of a re-election
2. Passing such bill in LS will be very very tough


So, whatsay people.. any thoughts..

 

[karnivore]

@ Anonrion

You have presented an extremely simplistic, almost a naïve understanding of communism. Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion.

When I claimed it to be a fragmented and confused ideology, I was referring to two aspects of communism. Its fragmented because there are many branches and derivatives of communism, from marxism, leninism, titoism to maoism. There is no single canonical version of communism, and each party has bent the ideology for its own use.

Every single theory, which is subjective to individual interpretations, will have multiple facets. It is inevitable. The theory of communism is not fragmented. Different people have tried to look at it from different perspective, gave it a different spin. I will not bore you with the details of the differences between Marxism and Leninism and Maoism etc. The basic differences are extremely subtle and technical and are mainly about the implementation of MARXISM. Marxism, however, remains at the core of all the so called “fragmentations” . Fragmentations were not the reason why communism waned. Internal inconsistencies and flawed logic resulted in its demise.

In India itself, there are four major communist parties who are fighting amongst themselves on the basis of ideology alone.

The Indian scene is extremely different and it has got nothing to do with communism itself. A faction of the unified CPI wanted to support Congress while another faction did not. This resulted in the split. The CPI(M-L) entered the scene much later and was a freak movement started at Naxalbari.

About the propoganda, there is a famous paper that students of the mass media have access to called manufacturing consent. This is basically tells why the mass media indulges in propoganda and how. There are four media "filters" that disallow certain kind of information from appearing the the media, as this would not allow for distribution, circulation or profits. These filters are ownership, that is nothing negative about the owners, the second filter is advertising, nothing negative about the advertisers, the third filter is sourcing, that is where the information is sourced from (which in turn have the first two filters too), and the fourth filter is flak, that is criticism against the publication, and the final filter is anti-communism. So anti-communist propoganda is a basic necessity of mass media. This is because the whole enviornment where mass media thrives in, as in advertising, different products, things like brand loyalty and consumption (of goods and services, not just food) cannot happen in a communist enviornment.

I am well aware of Manufacturing Consent, by Noam Chomskey. But I don’t understand how it is in anyway relevant in this discussion. He was arguing that free press is not necessarily free. And also remember propaganda worked on the other side of the divide as well. If you want to argue that media is the reason for misconstruing communism, it will cut both ways. Let me assure you. People who want to know, they don’t depend solely on one side of a story.

…communism is basically a classless society of human beings sharing everything on earth without a god above.

There are many ways that a society can be classified. Wealth is just one of those. Communism probably eliminates class in that sense, but it creates another, more bizarre, more dangerous class – the political class. In other words, it simple switches the mode of classification - the classification, nevertheless, remains.

…the industrial produce back then was great. Imagine a society without brands. Say a product like a shirt would be of the same quality for everyone. It would be of the same price. All bags would be of the same quality. This conserves more resources, so that competetors don't have to hoard and waste materials. There would be just a single latest chip or graphic card in the market, without the business of two or more competitors just muddying up the field and giving products of a lower standard than they would have if they had worked together.

This is nothing but romanticizing about communism. Industrial produce of Russia was never “great”. You are again forgetting competition breeds quality. Without completion, there would be no urgency or need to make better products (Russia, Cuba, Vietnam). And no, altruism doesn’t work, neither does “political consciousness” (Mao).

Remember those immortal words of Orwell in The Animal Farm, “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

Now the point of democracy. It is great in theory, but not in practice. You cannot keep everyone happy, and say twenty one percent of the people do not vote for the BJP in the next elections, twenty one percent of a billion is still a large number of people, and it does not make sense to ignore their demands.

No one says, democracy is perfect. It is however the lesser of all the evils available. Communism leads to dictatorship and that is the last thing anybody wants. You are forgetting, that in order to hold on to power, the inevitable tyranny follows. Communism on paper is the rule of mass, but in reality it is a rule of few, and in most cases, one. (Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Fiedel )

Right now the economic system stratifies the people. A car is not just a car, its a status symbol. While four wheels and an engine are there to take people around, there is a class associated with every car, whether it is a maruti, a santro, or a gallardo. The same applies for a phone. If it were all the same, then a lot of wastage would be saved on - all the materials wasted on advertising, all the materials wasted on competing products, all the manpower used pitting designers against each other instead of focussing their energies together. This may not work out for everyone, and it has its flaws, but that's what the idea is, that's what the ideology is.

Yes, a society with no artificial means of classifying humans is always welcome. But its better to live in reality than to get lost in a pipe dream.

I am not saying communism IS the answer for sure, or that it does not have problems. I am just saying that it is heavily misunderstood and people are not open minded about it.

Well, if it is misunderstood then, a whole generation of Russkies, Chinese, East Europeans and Vietnamese were dumb as hell.

 

[chooza]

When we talk about Raj Thakrey, we shouldn't forget His Idol Shiv Sena Supremo, Bala Saheb Thakrey and his "Achievements" in Maharastra. And the BJP is party of Hatered(Remeber Babri Mosque), problem in that the basis on which they come into power, they quickly forgot that. First Ram Mandir(Where it is now), then Mr. Atal Bihari Vajpayee(Recent electins shows, where he is on party's now)When we talk of Gujrat, I think, govt in South are much far better then, Mr. Modi(Bhai, duniya NANo par hi khatam nahi ho jaati)and also please see the working in Rajasthan.BJP just want to coem into power by any mean.I am from Rajasthan and I know the problems we faced for 2 months during gujjar andolan, and we also saw, how top brass of BJP handled that problem.ANother thing, had you ever thought, why all the anti-nation activites happens only when BJP has any Problem or electins are nearby.(Blast in Delhi, Jaipur at the time of Gujjar andolan, and suddenly we found that their are two cars full of explosivein Gujrat, Mumbai attack at te time of Malegaon, Parliament attack at the time of Kandhar)Death of our top cops has come into suspision now. As far as we the citizens of India, let me inform you friends that Rajastahn a only state where the prices of LPG,petrol do not reduced when all india was getting the benefits of price cut by central govt.Yes, the alcohol in our state is very cheap, if one want to....

 

[chooza]

Opportunity ? How many hours do you think plane landed in India ? they landed for fuel. They had already warned by killing one hostage in Amritsar(who had gone for honeymoon to kathmandu and wife didnt even know that her husband was dead until plane arrived back to India) Now imagine if BJP(Well you idiot its not BJP's fault since it was in power @ that time, do you blame Congress for the Terror happened in Mumbai recently?!) Again, if a severe action was taken by attacking them these would lead to more death of hostages while the opposition would blame BJP for causing the deaths of innocent hostages since BJP was ruling & if Congress was ruling at that time would you blame congress for it??

Stop wining when you dont know what exactly is going on or else stfu and try to analyse the complex situation completely with different strategies then you can put forth your VIEWS!!

I was avoiding this thread cause of ignorant replies and your crappy post right from beginning made me post this.. you retarded fool.

Ignorance is Annoying & you trying to be a `I know All` smartass had crossed the limits of annoying

Just see the Documentry on History channel, they had clearly mentined that due to non effectiveness of central govt. the kandhar edisode happened.And what you say about akshardham, when the electins in Gujrat was nearby.Regarding Mumbai, why it happen only during Malegaon? Why every attack on India happens when their is some problem with BJP. Just go and check History.

 

[Gigacore]

+1 for BaJaPa

 

[afonofa]

It's a shame to use the word "neta" for the current batch of Indian politicians. The word neta brings the image of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose to my mind. Compared to him and all the rest who gave us independence, where do our current politicians stand??

After the great start that our opening leaders gave us, the middle order has collapsed pulling the entire team down . Every problem that India is facing today can be backtracked to the politics, infighting, lack of unity & foresight displayed by our maananiya netas (respected leaders). In a crisis when the people of India should be looking to their leaders for inspiration and a display of unity, it is actually the people who are displaying courage and unity and even then our politicians fail to learn.

rajneeti khelte khelte sab bhool gaye hain ki woh Congress ki sarkar ya BJP ki sarkar nahi, India ki sarkar banane ke liye chune gaye hain.

(playing dirty politics, they have all forgotten that they have been elected not to form a govt. of the congress or bjp, but to form the Government of INDIA)

 

[jck]

Religion is truly the root cause of most of the problems we face today

 

[Ronnie11]

i would seriously vote for congress if advani is running for the pm post...besides modi & prolly vajpayee i cannot think of any other leaders in BJP.They seem highly communal & their allies are worse.Manmohan singh is a good leader to be honest.I do not care how much sonia gandhi influences her decision but atleast they do not seem to be obssessed with power.Manmohan singh is an economist & had introduced various bills like the Indo-US deal & the insurance policy etc which were either blocked by BJP or the retards CPM.I am glad they got rid of CPM(pro chinese a**).He brought it good growth rates & brought in development.I have no complains whatsoever with manmohan.Advani..erm...seriously...BJP is just too communal & with support from shiv sena,VHP...no way...they are bunch of thugs...

 

[mediator]

I agree. I too have no complaints whatsoever with Mr.MMS and Shrimati Sonia maino/gandhi/khan/nehru (audience poll/50-50 ??) Begum who termed Orissa incidence as national shame and don't even acknowledge the plight of Kashmiri Pandits, and the Congress party wooing on "Muslim" Vote in the so called secular INDIA and partnering with people like Laloo, and now even coining he term "Hindu terrorism". Lemme guess, what all terms can be there : Brahmin terrorism, Parsi terrorism, Jain terrorism, atheist terrorism??

Not to forget about the uncleared controveries bt the so called "future of INDIA"!

Its funny that people forget history and then act like nothing happened at all. I guess thats why incidences happen & the history repeats itself. I guess its time to boycott both the parties and look towards emerging ones which share the same views as us, people who r frustrated with vote banks based on religion, exploiting the misery of people and flourishing and nourishing on our blood and wealth!

I guess even 26/11 would have gone unnoticed, if it didn't include foreign casualties, just like the rest i.e delhi blast, srinagar etc etc....list goes on with the subsequent communalisation of the issue in many cases!