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Communal tension because of different Personal Laws, when did that take place. People dont get time to go out of Mandir-Masjid issue so when was a communal tension because of a different personal law.mediator said:Bro, These are the few exceptions I'm talking about because of which there is divide between Islam and other religions. These are the few exceptions because of which most people think Muslims are terrorist minded, want to have separate country all the time, cant exist peacefully with other religions and cant coexist with National laws!
India was divided as I said because of these laws only. India at that time had much great percentage of Muslim population who wanted separate State. Who knows if population of Indian Muslims rises, there can be another partition. And these are not exceptions, these are sparking points of communal tensions.
India is Secular And Democratic
In any country, the Personal Law may differ for different groups of people and for different communities. Since India is a secular and democratic country it allows different groups of people to follow their own personal law if they wish.
Criminal Law
Criminal law is that law which is associated with a crime or an act which directly affects the society e.g. robbing, raping, murdering, etc.
The Criminal Law should be the same for all people
In any country, the criminal law unlike the Personal Law cannot be different for different groups of people. It has to be same for all people of different groups and different religions e.g. In Islam if a person robs, his hands are chopped off. This punishment is not prescribed in Hinduism. If a Hindu robs a Muslim, what would be the robber’s punishment? The Muslim would want the hands of the robber to be chopped, while the Hindu Law would not agree. So let the Criminal Law which affects the society be same and it is same and Personal Law be Personal. Anyways dude, u saying implement UCC will not implement UCC and me not approving UCC cannot stop UCC. So why are we debating on this. Only thing I want to add is, the Partition of India was not because of Personal Laws but because of the Divide and Rule Policy which the Britishers used to Rule over India and still our Politicians use the same policy during elections. As a common Indian like u and me we have better things in Life to look after than fight with regards to religion. As the Qur'an says "Call people in the way of Allah and show them the right path in the most righteous way but if they dont accept ur call tell them You do not worship what I worship and I will not worship what you worship so dont force me to worship what you worship and I will not force you to worship what I worship, for You have your Faith and I have mine"
Majority of muslims did not oppose it and will support such movements of National Interest. The small faction which might have opposed it are the people who are presented as the face of the muslim community but in reality they are only a fraction of people.mediator said:Everybody wants population of India to decrease so as to reduce all population related problems like unemployment,poverty etc. For this family planning was thought of. Why did the muslims oppose this? Arent they interested in contributing,solving national problems?
You cannot point out fingers and say only muslims have 3 or more children. Maybe because Muslims are in minority they get noticed for such things or maybe people make such things noticable. I will only give u one example of a Hindu having more than 3 children, Mr. Lalu Prasad Yadav, he has 9 children. Population explosion cannot be blamed on one community, we all are equally responsible for it.mediator said:Most muslim families have not less than 3 kids. These families arent able to feed their kids. And then go poor. Then they say govenrment is not doing enough for them. Who is responsible? Them or the governemnt?
As I said earlier Communal tensions have nothing to do with Personal Law, Personal Law is only for a particular community and it does not affect society on a whole...mediator said:If they follow laws equally dont u think it will be good for everyone? No more communal tensions I mean and no more population explosions.
Where did u hear something called as "Muslim Quota/Muslim Reservation"??? I believe in free India there should not be any reservations except financial reservation for poor people who cannot afford good quality education. All admissions to all institutions should be purely on Merit and if a candidate after getting selected cannot afford it, he should be fully supported financially....mediator said:Also to maintain equality dont u think subjects such as "Muslim Quota", "Muslim Reservation", "Muslim Vote" shud be abolished??
Sorry, I dont believe what u said? I as a muslim do not feel I am suffering in India as a muslim, I get equal opportunities everywhere where I am eligible except in few sections where Hinduist think all Muslims are Pakistanis and they should not be living in India. And I dont complain about it because I know these people (whether Hindu or Muslim) have no other work then just fight in the name of religion.mediator said:Dont u think the gap and partiality is rising enough?? Dont u think Muslims are being selfish to have everything for their comfort i.e first the exceptional LAWS as u said , second RESERVATION FOR MUSLIMS , third asking their community members to elect a governement of their common choice so that it will do more good for MUSLIMS ALONE i.e MUSLIMS VOTE ?? And at the end most of them still say they are suffering in India to gain some more priviledges and gain sympathy!! Dont u think its tooo much??
Sir, Disintegration can happen anywhere in any country. Biggest example is Pakistan though had one religion got divided and Bangladesh was formed. So Disintegration cannot be predicted or planned. And belive me everyone is just fed up of communal violence and hatred. Example is after 93 mumbai blasts there were riots and see 2006, after mumbai train blasts all Indians stood united, helped each other, irrespective of the religion. If u were in Mumbai (I dont know where u are from) u would have noticed the kind of oneness both the communities exhibited giving a strong reply to Terrorists u cannot divide us now, United we stand and we will stay United now...mediator said:I dont agree with this!
Will u keep saying this until disintegration has actually happened? Its similar to thing that is lost. most people dont realise the importance of thing until its lost. And then try to get it back when its lost.
Isnt the history witness that we were actually partitioned? How u know it wont happen again?
5-10 years after partition everyone was sad. No communal tensions were there. 10-20 years the differences again started to rise. Now we see communal tensions every year! How can u be sure partition wont happen? Cant u learn from the past and be convinced until the partition has actually taken place? Its a different matter tha most of us dont want a partition, but how many broadminded/educated people are there in the country? or as @yamaraj said how many REAL muslims are there in the country?
They are muslims only on the Birth Certificate, if they practiced Islam and even if they have slightest of Knowledge about Islam they would not even thought of Drinking, or indulging in adultery (illegal sex) are the biggest sins as per Islamic Laws.mediator said:How can u say they are not Muslims? They must be practising Islam more than u do! Every mother says not to drink or smoke. But if a child does so, is he no longer her kid?
That's Crap, whoever said this to u must be an uneducated roadside fool. All human beings are created by God, u have ur faith and I have mine, I give respect to expect respect from others.mediator said:Most Muslims say interacting with other religion members is alo UnIslamic! So for them u must be UnIslamic then!
Thats a Insane thing, I would suggest Capital Punishment (as suggested by Islamic Laws also) to any Rapist. I do not agree to it, I just said compared to girl wearing burkha and girl wearing western outfits, western outfits are more vulnerable. If u argue on this then there are insane people who even sex with their own sister/mother. I just mean Burkha is safer but obviously nothing is 100% safe.Even a 3 month old child girl,a girl in saree or salwar kameez is raped these days so why will they care about Burqa?
Islam is a religion which believes in simplicity. Music, dancing etc is prohibited according to Islam. What u consider as Happy thing may not be as Happy as u think...mediator said:And why arent there any dances and other happy thing in Muslim festivals except for feast?
Intermingling of sexes is Strictly Prohibited in Islam and more often than not leads to adultery. Just for example in Navratri festival how many girls/guys start an short term affair, how many girls lose their virginity, how many extra marital affairs start. Not everything that seems nice is always nice. That does not mean Muslim women do not enjoy Life, they do but there are certain boundaries which all practicing muslim women gracefully except...mediator said:Dances,Living openly in the SUN during winters etc are some of things Women enjoy the most.
Never heard that news buddy even though I keep myself updated with all latest news...mediator said:Why is it most Muslim girls are so desparate to learn Bharat Natiyam? I'm not saying this, but I was surprised to see it on news channels some months ago. If u think I'm making stories then let me tell u I dont like to talk absurd and dont expect the same from opponent! Nobody must be reading and watching news like I do!
Science tells us that even plants can feel pain. But the cry of the plant cannot be heard by the human being. This is due to the inability of the human ear to hear sounds that are not in the audible range i.e. 20 Hertz to 20,000 Hertz. Anything below and above this range cannot be heard by a human being. A dog can hear up to 40,000 Hertz. Thus there are silent dog whistles that have a frequency of more than 20,000 Hertz and less than 40,000 Hertz. These whistles are only heard by dogs and not by human beings. The dog recognizes the masters whistle and comes to the master. There was research done by a farmer in U.S.A. who invented an instrument which converted the cry of the plant so that it could be heard by human beings. He was able to realize immediately when the plant itself cried for water. Latest researches show that the plants can even feel happy and sad. It can also cry. Do goodle and u will find many such sites which Prove that plants do feel painmediator said:Neways u been talking and emphasising a lot on plants. I told u plants and animals are different categories and arent classified for no reasons!So now let me tell u ......A living form is said to feel pain and suffering if it has a NERVOUS SYSTEM. Birds,animals,humans all have nervous systems. They can sense pain. On the other hand, Plants dont have NERVOUS SYSTEM. And yes they dont feel pain. This was not mine but a scientific definition.
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Even Snakes shed its skin does it mean it does not have life?mediator said:If they wud have felt pain then
1. cud u explain me the concept of autumn, why leaves themselves shrink and then reappear during springs.
In the same way as human has to cut his one hand or leg, he too does not die....mediator said:2. Cud u explain me why dont the plant die even when break a branch of it?
You can fill up pages saying Plants do not have senses or feel pain and I can just give u scientific facts proving that Plants do feel pain and have senses.mediator said:List is endless! I can fill the whole page on this! So dont say plants have senses!
I dont cut trees...mediator said:Neways I told u now....I hope u wont feel pity for plants anymore. But yea every thing has its own importance. Plants provode us O2. So next time before cutting a tree think again !
Never heard such things, did some research and got some knowledge that Nails and Hair do not grow after the person dies...mediator said:Others say then NAILS,HAIR must be having life tooo as they can grow too after the person dies!
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Science bro, established science!mediator said:AND u shudnt talk about anything like plants on which ur ignorant! See I didnt talk about Sharia at all! Neways WHo told u plants have senses?? Muslim leaders/clerics??
Dont lose patience buddy just because we dont agree to a point. I am trying to prove things scientifically to you and not religiously....mediator said:Now why did u say CREATURE urself???? Plants dont come under the category of CREATURE!! I hope u got my point. I told u to understand the difference between plants and animals and understand about their classifications. But u didnt!! This really lowers the spirit of a good,peaceful discussion.
I am not defending anything here just trying to prove you that if killing animals is sin so is plants.mediator said:I see u only brought "Plants" in the discussion to defend the slaughtering of goats though u were ignorant about plants!!
To do what? Tell everyone that dont kill animals lets kill plants because they have less senses. Where did I used the word "PROMISE"?mediator said:SO ARE U READY TO ADOPT SUCH A WAY OF LIFE AND TELL OTHER MEMBERS OF UR COMMUNITY THE SAME???? U promised now, dont take a U-Turn from ur promise as it wud be UnIslamic !!
1. Islam is the oldest religionmediator said:Who told u Hindus think like that??? Stupid serials??? U said Media is stupid to potray Muslims as terrorist! Then let me say Media is stupid for this tooo!
Islam is just some 1000-2000 yrs old religion (The prophet Muhammad (circa 570-632 A.D.) introduced Islam in 610 A.D.). But do u know, Hinduism is ALMOST as old as Earth?? U may laugh on this, as most do! U may say how ALMOST old as earth? But this is what he fact is. Hinduism is the oldest religion on the earth.
Hinduism is not the oldest of all the religions. It is Islam which is the first and the oldest of all religions. People have a misconception that Islam is 1400 years old and that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the founder of this religion. Islam existed since time immemorial, ever since man first set foot on this earth. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was not the founder of Islam. He was the last and final Messenger of Almighty God.
2. The oldest religion need not be the purest and the most authentic religion
A religion cannot be claimed to be most pure and authentic, only on the criterion that it is the oldest. It is similar to a person saying that the water he has kept in an open glass, in his house, outside the refrigerator, for three months is purer than the water which has just been collected in a clean glass, immediately after it has been purified.
3. The latest religion need not be the purest and the most authentic religion
On the other hand a religion cannot be claimed to be the purest or authentic, only on the criterion that the religion is new or the latest. A bottle of distilled water which is sealed, packed and kept in the refrigerator for three months is much purer than a bottle of water freshly collected from the sea.
4. For religion to be pure and authentic, it should not have interpolations, changes and revisions in its scriptures revealed from God
For any religion to be pure and authentic, its scriptures should not contain any interpolation, addition, deletion or revision. Moreover the religion’s source of inspiration and direction should be Almighty God. The Qur’an is the only religious scripture on the face of the earth which has been maintained it its original form. All the other religious scriptures, of all the other religions have interpolations, additions, deletions or revisions. The Qur’an has been in the memory of a multitude of people, intact in its original form ever since its revelation, and now there are hundreds of thousands of people who have preserved it in their memory. Moreover, if you compare the copies made by Caliph Uthman from the original Qur’an which is yet present in the museum in Tashkent and in Koptaki museum in Turkey, they are the same as the ones we possess today.
5. The oldest religion need not be best religion
A religion cannot be claimed to be the best religion only on the criterion that it is the oldest. It is similar to a person saying, that my 19th century car is better than a Toyota car manufactured in 1998, because it is older. He would be considered to be a fool to say that his 19th century car which required a rod to be turned in circles to start it, is better than a key-start 1998 Toyota car, just because it is older.
6. The latest religion need not be the best religion
On the other hand a religion cannot be called as the best religion only on the criterion that the religion is new or that it came later. It is similar to a person who says that my 800 cc Suzuki car manufactured in 1999 is better than a 5000 cc Mercedes 500 SEL manufactured in 1997. To judge which car is better, a person should compare the specifications of the car e.g. the power of the car, safety measures, the capacity of the cylinders, the pickup, the speed, the comfort, etc. 5000 cc Mercedes, 500 SEL car manufactured in 1997, is far superior and better than a 800 cc Suzuki (Maruti Suzuki 800) manufactured in 1999.
Not trying to offend you bro but what is old need not always be the right or best and same thing applies for new things. We should think logically and Scientifically on this and not with emotions.....
Thats what I said above^^^mediator said:So as generations passed by facts about Hinduism have twisted! So I only believe only in Epics,Mahabharat,GITA and the VEDAS!! As they are the only thing that are real now.
There may already be sme twisting in ISLAM already who knows!
I am sorry if I am offensive or hurting in answering this one...mediator said:To tell u Hinduism is all about 3 Gods : Brahma(the creator), Vishnu(the preserver) and the Shiva (the destructor).
3 Gods: Why three God's does that mean each of the God's have some deficiency, i.e Brahma (the creator) cannot preserve what he created or destroy it himself or Vishnu(the preserver) cannot create or destroy anything or Shiva (the destructor) cannot create or preserve but only destroy??? Thats the reason I believe strongly in Islam because Islam believes in only 1 God, he is the creator of the heavens and the earth, he is the preserver and he alone can destroy it.... Till now I thought and had heard there are thousands of God in Hinduism and Hindus themselves dont know what to worship and what not to worship, You brought the number down to 3....!
Yes I am aware of origin of my religion.mediator said:Believe me so fire gods and whateva u say are just twists! The real things I explained u above! And if u dont believe into anything blindly then u shud be aware of origin of ur religion, u shud have facts to prove that prophet actually had an angelic visitation etc!
I suggest you to read this, as it will be too long to put it here:mediator said:One more thing, GITA says the last avatar of Vishnu i.e Kalki will appear during the end of Kalyug. And according to GITA and modern science this is the Kalyug where the violence will be at its peak!!!
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Bro there are hundreds of it, Visit this link if u would like to know more about it, where SCIENTISTS talk about facts in Qur'an:mediator said:Do u have the same scientific explanations and facts for Islam??
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I am not talking about differences bro but only answering you....mediator said:So I request u to stop talking about the differences between Hinduism and Islam as I can write pages endlessly on this!
There are animals which are allowed to be eaten and animals other than what is allowed is strictly forbidden to be eaten. All the animals which are allowed to be eaten feed on plants i.e they do not consume meat or blood and there are other conditions to it as well. All the animals what u mentioned have blood and flesh and are forbidden to be consumed by human beings.mediator said:Overpopulation of cattle?? So u started eating it?? What about DOGS and PIGS and CROWS?? They are also getting overly populated. Their multiplication is also very swift. GOD has also provided u with flesh of DOGS and PIGS. U'll find dogs every next street! So shudnt u be EATING them on this concept of urs ????
First of all u are getting offensive brother... Second as I said above there are animals which are allowed to be eaten and others that are forbidden to be eaten.mediator said:If u believe in this CONCEPT of urs blindly then shudn't u soon also be starting to eat the social animal i.e MAN and if u classify further on basis religion then a MUSLIM MAN (as they multiply more than any other religion and most have families not less than 3 kids)????
I agree with u, I do not follow what others say but believe in facts and surely use my brain...mediator said:In ur language I say "GOD has Given us the most important thing i.e the BRAINS to think whats wrong and right and made us the dominant species on earth" and "GOD wants u to use that brains to think harder and stop following what other say"!!!!
mediator said:Oh well! Guess our last lines are always the same! Do apologise me too If I hurt any of ur feelings !!! Thanx for reading and quoting my lines line by line. Lets continue this debate!!
CHeers!
Same line again, be patient as I read ur last post in ur last lines u were losing it slowly. Thanks for reading and I sincerely apologize if I was offensive or hurting...
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