Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store updates...

[DigitalDude]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

Yeah, you guys totally get my point.

Anyway, what's the point of arguing with both of you anyway. It is a known fact that you guys always, without exception, prefer inferior gadgets, inferior software and inferior ways of doing things. So be it. Your life; it's up to you.

If it was your decision to make, those floppy drives would still have been around!

*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78455

 

[napster007]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

^+10000 man. so cool!!!!!

 

[gxsaurav]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

Here's my view of things: Important backups that you don't want to lose: External hard drive.
5k for 500GB = Rs. 10 per GB.
DVD5 good quality = 22 per disc = Rs. 5 per GB.

Where do u get Mosar Baer DVD - R for Rs 22?? I buy it here for Rs 18,

Much more reliable, accessible, searchable, all that.

HD can crash, the partition can curropt, HD can die, it can break like Arya's Lacie HD broke.

With your logic nothing is reliable.

 

[napster007]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

^+1

 

[aryayush]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

it can break like Arya's Lacie HD broke.

Not everyone lives in a P.G. where there isn't even a proper table and you don't drop 250GB external hard drives everyday.

 

[gxsaurav]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

Not everyone lives in a P.G. where there isn't even a proper table and you don't drop 250GB external hard drives everyday.

Everyone isn't using a Mac which cannot make Multisession DVDs, or everyone isn't ignorant enough not to use the marker to write on DVDs about what content it has inside, or everyone isn't idiot enough to use HD for permanent archival purpose & buy a new 500 GB HD every 6 months.

 

[iMav]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

abey itna kuch bola ... il put it in simplest terms: [sarcasm]every1 is not aaysuh[/sarcasm]

 

[goobimama]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

Where do u get Mosar Baer DVD - R for Rs 22?? I buy it here for Rs 18,



HD can crash, the partition can curropt, HD can die, it can break like Arya's Lacie HD broke.

With your logic nothing is reliable.

A long boring rant, read whenever you have nothing to do.

18, 22. Same thing. Out here it is 25, I just thought I'd reduce it a bit to reflect market standards. So it is 18. Rs. 4 per GB?

As for hard drives being unreliable, sure, they can fail. They do fail. They can fail even the day after you buy it. And when it fails there's a huge amount of data that goes down the drain. Imagine losing 500GB of important data! Imagine losing 500GB of even not-so important data!

My point is, data backups are all unreliable. There's no such thing as a fool proof backup. Even if you backup somewhere in Google's servers, some crazy american could just as well blow up those servers.

Here's where we decide out priorities. In my experience, CDs have been more reliable than DVDs. DVDs have proven to be the worst (Imagine DVD-RWs!). I even bought a top quality DVD case, but alas, it wasn't so lasting. I've tried all brands, even imported some "grade 1" brands, nothing. CDs on the other hand are much more reliable. I don't know why, but they are. But then again, I've found that hard drives have proved to be much more reliable than CDs. Of course, I do keep multiple backups of important stuff on CDs, hard drives, in various locations just to be safe. After all, you can never get those family pictures back. I don't keep backups of movies, that's just a waste of precious space. With modern broadband connections it is fairly easy for me to get them again. I can only imagine what this will be like with the iTunes Rental Store. That's insane! So that cuts down heavy on my storage requirements! I don't buy a hard drive every six months. I can easily survive on a 200GB hard drive. Without movies there's nothing much to store.

So where does this leave us with the Macbook Air? There's no way in hel I'm going to be able to fill up 80GB of space at a stretch. And I say I and in "I", "Me", "Myself". I'm not talking about the rest of the population who might want to fit in huge hollywood movie projects in there. If I'm going to Bangalore, I would find a Macbook Air to be much more convenient than a slightly thicker Macbook/Pro. It's light, easy to carry, and has everything I need in it. I'd have to buy an ethernet adapter, but I'm sure the people in the US won't need to.

If I'm going to the office to do some uploading or some other work, I don't need to take my arsenal of movies, games (if there is such a thing for the mac), 100 year old backups with me. I won't need the extra speed for doing anything. At most I might need to open up a document, correct it a bit and save it. And that's possible even on my iBook. And if I do need to access a CD/DVD, I can just use it off the Wi-Fi. Wouldn't you say this is the perfect notebook for me? And wouldn't you say there are others like me?

I don't need the speeds cause I won't be doing any rendering on the move.
I don't need the space, I find my 60GB iBook mighty sufficient.
The offices are wifi enabled.
I don't need an optical drive cause there's always one which I can 'share' over the network.

 

[utsav]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

lol

 

[aryayush]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

A long boring rant, read whenever you have nothing to do.

18, 22. Same thing. Out here it is 25, I just thought I'd reduce it a bit to reflect market standards. So it is 18. Rs. 4 per GB?

As for hard drives being unreliable, sure, they can fail. They do fail. They can fail even the day after you buy it. And when it fails there's a huge amount of data that goes down the drain. Imagine losing 500GB of important data! Imagine losing 500GB of even not-so important data!

My point is, data backups are all unreliable. There's no such thing as a fool proof backup. Even if you backup somewhere in Google's servers, some crazy american could just as well blow up those servers.

Here's where we decide out priorities. In my experience, CDs have been more reliable than DVDs. DVDs have proven to be the worst (Imagine DVD-RWs!). I even bought a top quality DVD case, but alas, it wasn't so lasting. I've tried all brands, even imported some "grade 1" brands, nothing. CDs on the other hand are much more reliable. I don't know why, but they are. But then again, I've found that hard drives have proved to be much more reliable than CDs. Of course, I do keep multiple backups of important stuff on CDs, hard drives, in various locations just to be safe. After all, you can never get those family pictures back. I don't keep backups of movies, that's just a waste of precious space. With modern broadband connections it is fairly easy for me to get them again. I can only imagine what this will be like with the iTunes Rental Store. That's insane! So that cuts down heavy on my storage requirements! I don't buy a hard drive every six months. I can easily survive on a 200GB hard drive. Without movies there's nothing much to store.

So where does this leave us with the Macbook Air? There's no way in hel I'm going to be able to fill up 80GB of space at a stretch. And I say I and in "I", "Me", "Myself". I'm not talking about the rest of the population who might want to fit in huge hollywood movie projects in there. If I'm going to Bangalore, I would find a Macbook Air to be much more convenient than a slightly thicker Macbook/Pro. It's light, easy to carry, and has everything I need in it. I'd have to buy an ethernet adapter, but I'm sure the people in the US won't need to.

If I'm going to the office to do some uploading or some other work, I don't need to take my arsenal of movies, games (if there is such a thing for the mac), 100 year old backups with me. I won't need the extra speed for doing anything. At most I might need to open up a document, correct it a bit and save it. And that's possible even on my iBook. And if I do need to access a CD/DVD, I can just use it off the Wi-Fi. Wouldn't you say this is the perfect notebook for me? And wouldn't you say there are others like me?

I don't need the speeds cause I won't be doing any rendering on the move.
I don't need the space, I find my 60GB iBook mighty sufficient.
The offices are wifi enabled.
I don't need an optical drive cause there's always one which I can 'share' over the network.

It is not boring. It is logical and intelligent. I have almost the exact same needs and both of us have been trying to explain our situation to these guys for quite some time now but they just don't get it. They have a one track mind. It costs $1,800 and gives you this configuration for that cost. That's it. The one and only all-important factor by which they measure all computers in the world. You can't really argue with that if you are defending Apple.

Simply put, Apple will always, without exception, be the loser in that comparison and you are not the person Apple is targeting with their products if you have that mentality. Get over it. Stop bashing the company. It's their business and they have the full right to choose how they go about conducting it. They will not sell inferior stuff for lower prices (and the quality of a product for them taken into account a lot of things, performance being just one of them) and if you're in the market for lower prices, start your search with Apple out of the equation.

However, what you do is that you just don't shut up. You infiltrate every nook and cranny of the Earth and spread misinformation about the company to prevent them from buying Apple products, just because you can't/won't/didn't buy one. That's what despicable. Your disconnect towards Apple is not what surprises me. It is this constant urge to prevent other people from enjoying Apple products too, even if they can and are willing to afford them, that infuriates me.

If someone asks me to recommend a sub-60K notebook or a notebook that can handle gaming (with a sub-100K budget) or if the person needs it strictly for college/school purposes which is completely Windows centric, I never so much as mention Apple products. Why should I! He/she asked me for my honest, unbiased opinion and they deserve to have it. You guys, however, seem to have no regard for that. Your only aim seems to be to prevent people from buying Apple products. Sheesh!


Anyway, coming back to the MacBook Air - it is the rich man's secondary computer. Yes, that's a niche market to target but the market does exist and since Apple has the best product for that market, almost perfectly placed (but priced just a tad higher than it should've been), it will certainly be a hit. There will, of course, be quite a few people who'll buy it just because of the lure of it being "the world's thinnest notebook" and will probably regret that later, but Apple will already have made a sale.

I repeat - it is the rich man's secondary notebook. It is not a primary computer and since the price is too high for a secondary computer, only fairly rich people would want to buy it.

That's my honest opinion anyway. You're free to peacefully disagree.

 

[napster007]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

well if you put it that way now.......maybe ur comming to ur terms.

i second that apple is a rich man's company. They definately don't make stuff for a general man. You have to agree that the features they provide in any hardware can be bought for atleast 30-40% less with another brand.(Remind you i'm not talking about local barands)

Apple does have a style statement.....but does not make sense for people like us, we want that each and every penny should be worth its while.

if some one asked me an unbiased opinion.....i might even suggest apple.

hell i did suggest a nano when a guy on this forum asked me what to gift his girlfriend. i can't find the thread or i would given you the link.

so what i hate about apple is.......for us ppl they act unfair by over pricing their products.

 

[amitava82]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

^^ Lol so u want a Ferari at the price of TATA nano?

Ok, let me give you another example regarding price. When you look in terms of configuration, ASUS EEEPc is over priced considering: at $450 I can get 4X better laptop with HDD, DVDRW etc. A complete desktop replacement. Then why would I pay $350 for EEEPC? BTW, launch price was $400.

Its not like you pull out a product from a drawing board to market, specially a hardware. It involves lots of RnD which translates into to money. And manufacturing cost of Ultra Portable laptops are higher compared to regular laptops. Just like Desktop,Laptop price:config, you cannot compare a Ultra portable, regular laptops.

Now Apple being pricey, well, its the premium people pay for the brand name. Just like Pepsodent is expensive than any other local toothpastes. Both may be manufactured similarly but its the brand name and quality assurance associated with the brand that makes the product expensive. Because there is a market and people are ready to pay for it. You can check out some of the Toshiba Portege R500 Laptops. None of them are less expensive than Air.

No company over price their product. They set the price because people are ready to pay the price. Again mind you, not every product is for every market. In case of Apple, they have a different set of markets. Unfortunately people like us do not belong to that market. simply because we evaluate a product's value in terms of money we pay and net worth of the product. So, our complain is not going to make any change unless that specific market finds that the product is over priced. Pricing is really a complex job.

Even I used to complain Apple being pricey. But eventually you will learn. Just think from different prospective.

 

[napster007]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

^^ Lol so u want a Ferari at the price of TATA nano?

Well if you can find one......i'll take it. I said 30-40% cheaper.... not 800% so that the company will go bankcrupt.[sarcasm]

No company over price their product. They set the price because people are ready to pay the price.

Which is unfair! (Unless you have a different defination of over pricing)

Again mind you, not every product is for every market. In case of Apple, they have a different set of markets. Unfortunately people like us do not belong to that market.

agree.....if i was filthy rich (like my friend "aryayush") maybe i would have been on the other side of this debate

we evaluate a product's value in terms of money we pay and net worth of the product.

i just want every penny of mine to be worth its while! (is it wrong)?????

Pricing is really a complex job.

which is why it has to be unbiased!

Even I used to complain Apple being pricey. But eventually you will learn.

Maybe.........but not in the near future

 

[gxsaurav]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

It is not boring. It is logical and intelligent. I have almost the exact same needs and both of us have been trying to explain our situation to these guys for quite some time now but they just don't get it.

That's because you are trying to prove & say that the way u use computers is the only way of using the computers.

Simply put, Apple will always, without exception, be the loser in that comparison and you are not the person Apple is targeting with their products if you have that mentality. Get over it. Stop bashing the company. It's their business and they have the full right to choose how they go about conducting it. They will not sell inferior stuff for lower prices (and the quality of a product for them taken into account a lot of things, performance being just one of them) and if you're in the market for lower prices, start your search with Apple out of the equation.

However, what you do is that you just don't shut up. You infiltrate every nook and cranny of the Earth and spread misinformation about the company to prevent them from buying Apple products, just because you can't/won't/didn't buy one. That's what despicable. Your disconnect towards Apple is not what surprises me. It is this constant urge to prevent other people from enjoying Apple products too, even if they can and are willing to afford them, that infuriates me.

If someone asks me to recommend a sub-60K notebook or a notebook that can handle gaming (with a sub-100K budget) or if the person needs it strictly for college/school purposes which is completely Windows centric, I never so much as mention Apple products. Why should I! He/she asked me for my honest, unbiased opinion and they deserve to have it. You guys, however, seem to have no regard for that. Your only aim seems to be to prevent people from buying Apple products. Sheesh!


Anyway, coming back to the MacBook Air - it is the rich man's secondary computer. Yes, that's a niche market to target but the market does exist and since Apple has the best product for that market, almost perfectly placed (but priced just a tad higher than it should've been), it will certainly be a hit. There will, of course, be quite a few people who'll buy it just because of the lure of it being "the world's thinnest notebook" and will probably regret that later, but Apple will already have made a sale.

I repeat - it is the rich man's secondary notebook. It is not a primary computer and since the price is too high for a secondary computer, only fairly rich people would want to buy it.

That's my honest opinion anyway. You're free to peacefully disagree.

*gigasmilies.googlepages.com/37.gif, Man you got some awsome typing skills, I am feeling sleepy after reading this.

 

[iMav]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

Stop bashing the company. It's their business and they have the full right to choose how they go about conducting it. They will not sell inferior stuff for lower prices (and the quality of a product for them taken into account a lot of things, performance being just one of them) and if you're in the market for lower prices, start your search with xxxxx out of the equation.

please remember this little para u have urself written

 

[napster007]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

i guess if Steve Jobs told aryayush to kill him self........he will!!!

 

[iMav]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

i guess if Steve Jobs told aryayush to kill him self........he will!!!

oh man faraaz ur little quote some time back which got u banned cant help but think of it

 

[gxsaurav]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

Arya : Steve Jobs said Java Sux, that means JAVA Sux. He said flash on iPhone sux....means flash sux, he said over charging is good....means we should pay more...

 

[amitava82]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

Well if you can find one......i'll take it. I said 30-40% cheaper.... not 800% so that the company will go bankcrupt.[sarcasm]

Why not find me a Ultraportable laptop which is 40% cheaper at similar or better config? I can find you a UPL costs 100% more than Air with similar or inferior config than Air.

Which is unfair! (Unless you have a different defination of over pricing)

First of all, we have not settled that Air is over priced. A product is expensive does not imply that it is over priced. Again I'll say EEEPC is over priced because I can get better config just by paying $50 more.

agree.....if i was filthy rich (like my friend "aryayush") maybe i would have been on the other side of this debate

Being rich has nothing to do with evaluating a product. Evaluate a product by what it has to offer compared to what other's is offering.

i just want every penny of mine to be worth its while! (is it wrong)?????

nope. Same reason why TATA and Ferrari both co-exists in the market.

which is why it has to be unbiased!

there is nothing called unbiased pricing. Probably you should read some economics concepts n cases in order to understand what goes behind pricing.

Maybe.........but not in the near future

as I said, read

 

[drgrudge]

Re: Apple MWSF 2008 - MacBook Air, iPod touch, iPhone, Apple TV & iTunes Store update

i second that apple is a rich man's company. They definately don't make stuff for a general man. You have to agree that the features they provide in any hardware can be bought for atleast 30-40% less with another brand.(Remind you i'm not talking about local barands)

True, Apple products are 20-30% expensive than other hardwares. But I'll list why Apple wins. Atleast, IMO.

I've a MBP and had Dell Inspiron 6400. Dell is cheaper but it had problems, it frequently crashes - had to hard reboot many times, the battery lasts for 2.5 hrs atmost and heavy. My Mac lasts atleast 4 hours (in the same situation), only once or twice I had to reboot my Mac, no issues with the software. Not to forget you are plagued with Virus, Malwares and you're in constant threat no matter how well you might protect your PC. Not to forget that this thing is thin and light compared to my Dell, which is heavy by atleast a Kilogram.

Superior Hardware. After 6 months of usage, my Dell keyboard became 'loose' and some of the letters in the keyboard started to fade. Not to forget cheap parts, 'creaking sound' when you close the lid. Have you seen a MBP working after it dodged 2 bullets?! The darn thing works even after un my a heavy vehicle (a tractor?). When your Mac falls from a height, the HDD got some sensors that can sense something wrong and disorient itself and your Data is saved! The screen is gorgeous! For the same screen size, I get better screen resolution. Even otherwise the screen quality is amazing. Watch any HD movie in my Mac and the same in some hardware, there is difference.

Intelligent Engineering. When your Mac falls from a height, the HDD got some sensors that can sense something wrong and disorient itself and your Data is saved! My Mac has light sensors. The LCD bightness can adjust depending on the ambient lights. Also my keyboard has backlit. This is god send if your working in vicinity of other peoples. People in hostels will know what I'm talking about.

Remember that Apple service is very good. When I had issues with my MBP, I had called Apple Service. He asked for serial no and after verification, he asked to come to Apple Service. He said they'll replace my Mac, should there be any issue. Fortunetely (or unfortunetely, on how you look), there was no issue with my Mac and is in top notch condition.

Amazing Apps. Visit any TV, FM/Radio, recording studio. They'll have Macs. DJs, Designers, Coders/Programmers, Freelancers and some bloggers use Macs. I've been to Raj TV office in Chennai. They have 2 Mac Pros, 3-4 iMacs atleast. See the Apple thread, I always like Apple apps and some no match in any platforms.

In the longer run, Mac might actually be VFM. You get good money, if you wish to sell your Mac. Check some Bazaar threads to know what I' talking about.

Finally, those killer looks! Anyone who see/use my Mac love it. Sure, it makes heads turn and looks suave. My mom who know next to nothing in computers, loves the Apple Remote.

I'm one happy customer. I hardly have issue with my Mac. There are 2-3 but the advantages overlook them.

Yeah, Apple products are 'over priced'. But I'll continue to buy them. Most of my future PC is going to be an Apple Mac.

Apple does have a style statement.....but does not make sense for people like us, we want that each and every penny should be worth its while.

My friend, looks matter. We live in a soft racism country. See any matrimonial page, you'll see: "Want a fair good looking boy", "XYZ from ABC seeks fair, slim bride". Fairness cream lotion is a big business and hell we have for men too.

Dolce & Gabbana, Esprit, Pierre Cardin and other such fashion lifestyle might be out of bounds for most people but that doesn't make them out of business.