AMD Llano (fusion) mobile discussion

[ico]

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Note: This video has been uploaded by AMD, so take it with a pinch of a salt.

Llano = optimized Phenom II + HD 6620M (?)

And two mobile platforms are being compared in the video. I don't think Llano would come close to Core i7-2630QM in crunching numbers (CPU power), but if a laptop with this thing is sold at 40k and you're looking for a gaming laptop - it might be _the_ thing to get just like Zacate is.

 

[Piyush]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

well 40 k is difficult
but who knows
AMD is better in this area
they can surprise us all by their sweet pricing

 

[ico]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

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Core i7-2630QM with a discrete laptop GPU will obviously be faster, but if you look from the view point of OEM, it will be much more expensive. Basically, this thing guns for 35-50k notebooks imho.

I also expect Core i5-2xxxM + discrete GPU power consumption to be higher than the APU previewed in the video.

 

[Piyush]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

whoa!!!
128gb SSD
thats the another reason for its prices

 

[pauldmps]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

Why they are running CPU benchmarks on different chipsets & GPUs ? Isn't is totally biased ?


AMD should stick to what it does best - GPUs.

 

[Piyush]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

^^guess what
u missed processors in ur post

 

[ico]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

Why they are running CPU benchmarks on different chipsets & GPUs ? Isn't is totally biased ?


AMD should stick to what it does best - GPUs.

The whole point they are making is about the overall performance. And they're comparing mobile platforms. It isn't a desktop platform. You need _the_ ideal blend of perfomance with battery life and power consumption.

This is a single laptop chip which contains both CPU and GPU. They aren't gunning for a high end Sandy Bridge + discrete laptop GPU.

In a few months or so, you'll see mobile Sandy Bridge Core i3/i5 processors around 40k with and without discrete graphics. AMD is gunning for them. And I'll play games on my laptop, so I know what I'll have to get.

35k - Core i3-2xxx with no discrete graphics.
40k - Core i3-2xxx with discrete graphics.
45k+ - Core i5-2xxx with discrete graphics.

Now compare these to Llano equivalents. Excellent graphics and almost as good CPU performance.

 

[coderunknown]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

40k is impossible for a setup like this (i7 & AMD quad core) cause even if the on-die graphics is just 2-3% slower than a HD6550, manufacturers usually will go for the card & price the laptop at 50-55k. and put up a sticker in the laptop saying "1Gb graphics card. 2gb graphics card.. etc". its not that they don't know about the slim advantage of entrylevel cards over on-processor graphics but its to convince buyers to get a laptop costing 60k that is just a few percent faster than a 40k lappy.

but i wish that every manufacturer should at least release some performance lappy with GPU & instead put up stickers like "6-7hrs batter life". it mayn't attract everyone but they'll still sell well.

also if 6620M = HD5650M, theres no need for any GPU. a laptop having that config without the SSD if priced at 45k & offers 3hrs battery life will be a good buy for most.

 

[Dangerous Dave]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

nice video!

 

[ico]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

My whole point is, this thing is going to be much cheaper to OEMs for entry + mid-level laptops if we compare to Sandy Bridge Core i5 + discrete GPU solution. And power consumption is under great control too.

TDP of a good laptop GPU is 30w. TDP of Sandy Bridge Core i5 processors is 35w. And TDP of this APU thing is 45w.

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also if 6620M = HD5650M, theres no need for any GPU. a laptop having that config without the SSD if priced at 45k & offers 3hrs battery life will be a good buy for most.

HD 6620M = HD 5650M.

 

[Joker]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

wow...good days ahead.

this could turn out to be great vfm.

 

[Jaskanwar Singh]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

WOW...

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CeBIT 2011: AMD Demos Llano Behind Closed Doors : AMD Demos Mobile Llano

 

[vickybat]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

I think sandybridge+discrete gpu should be compared with llano based notebooks at the same price point.
Llano cpu cores(stars) will be no match for sandybridge but the apu's will be the difference maker.

If sandybridge(i5) + dedicated gpu is 40k and a llano based notebook is 40k, getting the sandy is a no brainer.
But sandy+discrete gpu @ 40k is too much to ask and imo, it will be more expensive than that. But we never know.

 

[pauldmps]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

^^guess what
u missed processors in ur post

They are comparing processors. Hence they have to be different lol!

 

[ico]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

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If sandybridge(i5) + dedicated gpu is 40k and a llano based notebook is 40k, getting the sandy is a no brainer.
But sandy+discrete gpu @ 40k is too much to ask and imo, it will be more expensive than that. But we never know.

Battery.

 

[vickybat]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

^^ That is surely a decider as far mobile computing is concerned. But i highly doubt those stars based cpu cores and even if amd optimizes them i don't think they will do a great job in power management. Atleast they are not in the level of sandybridge cpu's.

Bulldozer based fusions will be better owing to their more ground up design. But lets see what these apu's have in store for us.

If amd prices themm right, they will be a killer deal and a more viable option to intel based notebooks which had been dominating for the past decade or more.

 

[Jaskanwar Singh]

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that video is superb..amd is getting back seriously ..its simply awesome. and if that is so powerful than sandy what will bulldozer do!

ico that shows amd sys consuming less watts.!

 

[vickybat]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

^^ Jas its not powerful than sandy but is more power efficient. Sandy still has a lot of edge in pure number crunching performance and only bulldozer is expected to beat that.

Like i said, the apu is the difference maker here and its obviously has more rendering potential than sandy igp. Its almost a 5650m.

Sandy+ discrete gpu will be way faster than this but at the cost of tdp and price.
Lets wait and see how amd does the pricing right. That will be the difference maker.

In the high end to upper midrange laptop market, intel will still remain unbeaten until bulldozer challenges. Sandy+gtx 5series m/radeon 6series m will BE SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER.

These stars based apu's will target the entry level to lower midrange notebooks.
But that is actually the sweetspot and revenue generating market.

 

[Jaskanwar Singh]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

we will see

 

[vickybat]

Re: AMD Compares Llano and Sandy Bridge in Video

See the power of sandybridge + discrete gpu HERE.