AMD Bulldozer News and Discussion

max_snyper

Maximum Effort!!!!!!
^^IMO IF we are talking about the VFM of the intel and amd processors...heres my 2 penny on it.
I bought my second build in 2005 with pentium 4 ht 630 series...last i upgraded it to 2gb ram and a ati hd4670 512mb card in 2008.
it ran each and every game on 1680*1050 med-high settings till date (i mean up till deus-ex,hell ya even crysis 2.)(15~45 fps)
It played without even breaking a sweat.....talk about VFM..a outdated machine playing new-gen game thats Intel.
I trust Intel now a little more now,if they are planning for Ivy-bridge then its gonna be better than SB.
But a good attempt by AMD for BD..they better get their things right for piledriver if they want to be VFM king.
 

mrcool63

Journeyman
dude with a 9600gt even my athlon 3200+(5 year old rig!!) played every game including battlefield 2 on high settings at 1280x1024.. 15fps is not good... really..

no games use more than one core and only recently they have began using two cores.. AMD has been price vs performance king for very long.. intel used to be good performance but horribly overpriced .. now with sandy they have come down a little.. but the ultimate vfm king was always AMD everytime..!! Just see the phenom II or the athlon range before it..

AMD has always been a pioneer for invention of newer tech.. 64bit coding was first embeded by amd.. dual core first by amd.. now BD architecture first by AMD..

I am not a fanboy but i dont like it when people guage anything just by its cover.. It is a new chip.. give it time to mature..
 

max_snyper

Maximum Effort!!!!!!
^^ hey mrcool63 did you not read my previous opinion....it was for all company policies in early 2000's and now...a chip was to last for atleast 3~4 years for offcially casted as outdated now-a-days every 1~2 years there is new iteration for systems.
And i know 15fps mean..i have been in the gaming scene since the doom days so i pretty much know everything about gaming.
Im too not a fanboy of intel or amd...
Just that AMD has landed in VFM market 2~3 years back till that time Intel was the only chip known commonly in India.AMD was too costly and not avaliable everywhere...it has just landed into the scene of vfm after ph-ii 955 was sold like hot cakes in India.
 

tkin

Back to school!!
^^ my point almost mirrors yours.. windows 7 has a tough time working out the BD architecture which win 8 will probably be optimized to do.. Hyper threading has already been recognized by windows in the 7 edition however BD's architecture being new is not recognized by windows 7.. that is why by windows 8 will have a comparable performance of both 2600k and BD..

also sandy-e will be terribly overpriced.. you will have to pay through your nose just to get one.. also sb-e will involve a new socket... and.. intel have a bad record with new socket releases(since 1156, then 1155)!!! the lowest one will almost match the 2600k apparently and is a locked variety unlike 2600k.
Why are people going ga ga over Sandy-E, its clearly made for super rich enthusiasts, damn quad channel 32GB(4x8GB) ram kit from corsair costs a freaking 999$, so you can see the entire line up is made for wealthy buyers, on the other hand we will have Ivy, with an improved GPU and also 10-30% increased performance, less heat, power consumption, and hence more OC potential at a very consumer friendly price(to avoid clash with Sandy-E, ivy will probably max out below 350$, like 2700k now).

The improved scheduler will affect both 2600k and BD, and I am guessing, to edge out the competition 2600k will take 2500k's place and 2700k will be the new 2600k, so both of intel's top sandy will be hyper-threaded, effectively nullifying any performance improvement BD will have on win 8.
 

Skud

Super Moderator
Staff member
Some thoughts after going through the reviews and all:-

1) BD is either too late or too ahead of its time, depending on the way you look at it.

2) With so much talks going on single-core performance, I wonder why Intel/AMD not releasing a 4Ghz single core CPU, or at best a 4Ghz dual core with strong per core performance and strong overclocking potential. It looks like that should be enough for our normal PC usage for the time being. I mean, how many of the general PC users and even gamers are interested in running multiple VM simultaneously or in heavily threaded apps?

3) Pricing of the products is pretty much spot on. The 8120 looks like the CPU to go for, if you are actually thinking of buying a BD. :)

4) The biggest flop of the lot is the FX-4100. It is worse than Athlon II X4 at quite a few benches making the older Phenom II or even Llano A8 CPUs a better choice.

5) In continuation with the previous point, it looks like BD needs 4 modules/8 cores to remain competitive and can't go lower than 3 modules/6 core. So Piledriver with 6 modules/12 cores can actually deliver the promised/expected performance level of BD. If AMD can fix the single-core performance by that time, it might actually compete well with Ivy Bridge too. I do agree, at this moment all these are rather wishful thinking.

6) The Phenom II suddenly looks better than before. Reviewers are a funny lot. ;)

7) The biggest problem seems to be investing in the AM3+ platform at this moment. With the final generation of AM3+ CPUs expected to come out in 2012 itself, users won't be getting a much longer upgrade path.

8) For gamers on a budget, nothing much has changed. Going the BD route would probably allow a better GPU compared to SNB which in turn means better gaming performance except in CPU-intensive games, which are, thankfully, getting fewer by days.

Why are people going ga ga over Sandy-E, its clearly made for super rich enthusiasts, damn quad channel 32GB(4x8GB) ram kit from corsair costs a freaking 999$, so you can see the entire line up is made for wealthy buyers, on the other hand we will have Ivy, with an improved GPU and also 10-30% increased performance, less heat, power consumption, and hence more OC potential at a very consumer friendly price(to avoid clash with Sandy-E, ivy will probably max out below 350$, like 2700k now).

The improved scheduler will affect both 2600k and BD, and I am guessing, to edge out the competition 2600k will take 2500k's place and 2700k will be the new 2600k, so both of intel's top sandy will be hyper-threaded, effectively nullifying any performance improvement BD will have on win 8.


+1 for that. Windows 8 can't change the scenario overnight. Particularly, no one knows what will actually happen after 1 year. And by that time, we would be talking about newer CPUs for sure.
 

max_snyper

Maximum Effort!!!!!!
^^I have come to the conclusion that...its a fact that BD does not beat 2600k black and blue..and provides the functionality of 2500k so if priced around 10k in India its a win situation,but one problem it retails around $279 on newegg at the moment so may be when launched in India its gonna be priced around 16k.

i agree with u SKUD...that bring a dual core 4ghz processor with HT thats gonna rock at a mid segment level.

Theres not going to be drastic increase in performance on BD with "win 8" unless and untill applications are developed for BD chips.

IMO opinion seriously its not a bad idea if u want to invest in BD right now if u really want to as piledriver is up ahead on am3+ platform.......but investing in a z68 platform is not a bad idea either.
As down the line ivybridge is also coming for the z68 platform.
 

Skud

Super Moderator
Staff member
Price is already falling ;)

Prices AMD FX-8150 Black Edition already falling


And more problems:-

Rumor: AMD Working with TSMC for Bulldozer Manufacturing
 
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max_snyper

Maximum Effort!!!!!!
That roughly calculates to 14.5k INR with or w/o taxes in India coz europe and Indian prices are somewhat similar due to vat.....Thats too bad if they are pitching against what intel has now in the market....Not gonna make the cut here.....I still remember how p2-ii 955 created a storm in India when it was launched....BD just cant live up to that.
 

tkin

Back to school!!
That roughly calculates to 14.5k INR with or w/o taxes in India coz europe and Indian prices are somewhat similar due to vat.....Thats too bad if they are pitching against what intel has now in the market....Not gonna make the cut here.....I still remember how p2-ii 955 created a storm in India when it was launched....BD just cant live up to that.
I guess around 15k+
 

max_snyper

Maximum Effort!!!!!!
^^ So thats the case then why would a customer buy 15k+ proccy if hes getting same performance for 11k (2500k) or 15K (2600k).It sits right between both cpus thats what amd tried for.
only the + point for amd config is lower ram prices,lower mobo prices....some amount of money to buy ....may be gaming mouse or something else.
 

tkin

Back to school!!
^^ So thats the case then why would a customer buy 15k+ proccy if hes getting same performance for 11k (2500k) or 15K (2600k).It sits right between both cpus thats what amd tried for.
only the + point for amd config is lower ram prices,lower mobo prices....some amount of money to buy ....may be gaming mouse or something else.
Ram prices are same, both DDR3, mobo prices are similar if you compare the features.
 

Skud

Super Moderator
Staff member
Actually 990FX based mobos are bit costlier. And where are the 990X and 970 chipsets? Still no sign of them.
 
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Cilus

Cilus

laborare est orare
^^ hey mrcool63 did you not read my previous opinion....it was for all company policies in early 2000's and now...a chip was to last for atleast 3~4 years for offcially casted as outdated now-a-days every 1~2 years there is new iteration for systems.
And i know 15fps mean..i have been in the gaming scene since the doom days so i pretty much know everything about gaming.
Im too not a fanboy of intel or amd...
Just that AMD has landed in VFM market 2~3 years back till that time Intel was the only chip known commonly in India.AMD was too costly and not avaliable everywhere...it has just landed into the scene of vfm after ph-ii 955 was sold like hot cakes in India.

Max_Snyper, your information is not entirely true. AMD is available for a long time here, not just 2/3 years earlier, and even pre-Athlon 64 bit era Athlon XP processors was little better in gaming that their competitor early gen P4 processors due to the 3D Now instruction set. But they were not known to mass market in India.
My 1st desktop @ 2003 was an Athlon XP 2600+ with Nforce2 mobo + 32 MB Gforce2 IGP used to play Far Cry while my firend's 3 GHz P4 processors simply couldn't start the game.
Then around 2005 I had purchased my Athlon 64 3000+, priced @ 5.4K whereas P4 EE CPUs was available @ 6 to 6.5K and nowhere near to Athlon 64 in terms of performance.
And taling about outdated chip performing well, that is true for both AMD and Intel, not only for Intel. It cannot be a trust increasing factor for any brand. If you have an Athlon X2 6000+, launched at 2006 with a 8800GT, you can play all the games in medium setting @ 1366X768 resolution.
 

Skyh3ck

Cyborg Agent
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tkin

Back to school!!
Hey guys check this


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Is it true.......


^^ What's that, some sort of conspiracy site? Poor grammar, senseless rubbish, profanity, a poll on left that looks like some 13 year old child's rambling, anyway thanks for the laugh, this site should go in the 'Dumbest Thing about Computer Thread'

User comment on that site:
No registry fix.

No UMS problems.

No Bios fix.

You lied, and you persist in deleting both our posts and your own in an attempt to change the past to hide your own flaws.

Based on this, and the rest of the site – GET MEDICAL HELP.

Deleting this won’t help you, it won’t make you right, it won’t change history. By not admitting your flaws, you are far worse than any of the atrocities you accuse others of.

Signing off – No Faith.

I can't stop laughing.

+That guy talks about big foot.

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pretty interesting
These people are going though a phase, its called "DENIAL," just don't get bothered.
 

max_snyper

Maximum Effort!!!!!!
@cilus...i was referring to the VFM market that amd captured 2~3 years ago...
I know initial p4 478 pins cpu were complete dud in performance as compared to amd series...overheating problems here and there.
But my question to you is was amd avaliable in mass quantity as intel was back then?
And how many players in lamington road market(mumbai) had stacked up each and every amd proccy iteration at that time.they started stackingup in 2004 i think when athlon64. came
at that time around in 2002 searched for cheapest pc for my 1st build couldnt find other than Intel p4 1.6~1.7 ghz.
Im not a fanboy of any of these companies,but scenario changes when any pc component enter pc Indian market.
 
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