90.6% Indians still dont have Computer/Laptop!!!

[gopi_vbboy]

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[theserpent]

What method is recommended for large populations may I know?


@techbulb: Think beyond what is taught too. Do the census people come and ask you to show birth certificates? Or whether deaths were registered? The only way census fails is if people lie. And they generally do not. Once again, the Indian census is around 98% accurate despite all migrations, births and deaths. Large number of people do not kill its accuracy. It remains one of the most detailed surveys of the world.

Well for large population sample survey is preferred(As it is written in my books).
But even Sample Survey has many errors.
But i think its wrong.Around 30-45% must be having pc's at home.
Ofcource Census Enumeration is more detailed.But i mean,It might be done due to human error,Because people go from house to house,Spending at least 20 mins in each,They get tired.So,they might be mistakes in entering maybe,while they enter it in their comp

This I can't agree with you man. No offence

Indian Census is not as accurate you claim here. My father(Retired) and uncles' work in Revenue Department and I am pretty sure How things go around there. In fact they are the worst in collecting data. Example.. If you take Ration card , imagine how much fake data is present in our country. No one till now came to my House or apartment for survey to know How many does live in our colony and yet we get stupid Numbers in papers during Voter list process. This can't stop if I start telling about this process. 98% accurate? Oh come on...

+1.They dont even keep the files in a correct order

 

[ajaymailed]

90.6% Indians still dont have Computer/Laptop!!!

considering the literacy rate, computer literacy, number of people completing high school, number of college graduates, number of people actually depending on computer for work, education, entertainment, daily needs etc 10% is decent figure, that itself is more than 100 million.

i am a bank employee, we try to convince customers in semi-urban & rural areas to use internet as platform for banking, but they are either too ignorant or simply afraid of making mistakes while doing transactions online.

There are people who don't own a PC but still use computers in internet cafe, so people having access to computers will be a much larger group.

Internet Cafes are still a major way of access to PC with internet in rural regions.

 

[Skud]

Computer is purely a luxury item that we have integrated in our lives, think about a farmer, what will he do with a laptop? Or computer?

Data on weather, modern farm practices, price, futures trading of agricultural produce etc. There are already KVK's (Krishi Vigyan Kendra) where farmers come for information. Also NABARD helps setting up type of kiosks (shame on me, forgotten the exact name of the project), where a computer and internet connection is provided. Member farmers can gather information and knowledge free of cost. Any information just a click away.

That's the beauty of computer and internet, it can actually help empower people. Too bad some of our politicians/general public make us think otherwise.

 

[sujoyp]

Crap As someone said before that when maybe 30% of India's population is still hungry for food and dont have clothing, these survey count them to have a laptop and computer.

This is sheer stupidity ....rather than this they should do a survey on " How much hours of electricity is provided in Rural areas every day "

I have heard that in rural areas there is no electricity for 8-16 hrs

 

[Liverpool_fan]

Computing and Internet does indeed enpower people, and please don't bring blah blah are hungry there's no need for a computer. Typical Indian non-progessive attitude.

 

[Tech&ME]

Data on weather, modern farm practices, price, futures trading of agricultural produce etc. There are already KVK's (Krishi Vigyan Kendra) where farmers come for information. Also NABARD helps setting up type of kiosks (shame on me, forgotten the exact name of the project), where a computer and internet connection is provided. Member farmers can gather information and knowledge free of cost. Any information just a click away.

That's the beauty of computer and internet, it can actually help empower people. Too bad some of our politicians/general public make us think otherwise.

Yes.

We can take the example of Gujarat. Amul India. They have this Kiosk @Skud is talking about.

This has empowered women and the use of technology.

Excerpt:

Milk is collected at the co-operative milk collection centres located
within 5-10 km of the villages supplying the milk. The number of
farmers selling milk to these centres varies from 100 to 1000 and the
daily milk collection varies from 1000 litres to 10,000 litres. Each
farmer is given a plastic card as ID. At the counter he drops the card
into a box that reads it electronically and transmits the identification
number to the PC. The milk is emptied into a steel trough kept over a
weighbridge. Instantly the weight of the milk is displayed to the
farmers and communicated to a PC.

Although the ownership of having a computer is very low in India, we are still technologically moving forward at a very fast rate.

Election Voting Machine [EVM] is one of its kind in the world.

Also, Data of the statistics are correct as long as the person giving the data is telling the truth..

 

[S_V]

Well, some things are hard to explain. A 2% error rate in 1.2 billion people is a huge number in itself. Whether you agree or not is not the question here. I am quoting a figure acknowledged by some of the best statisticians in the country. I'll double check if I get the time and try to find a link.

And what does revenue department have to do with collecting census data?

is this Question for serious?

If you ever ask anyone who's works in Collect-orate Office. They will be happy to tell you How Revenue Department is involved in Census Data collection.. Listen I am not telling Revenue will control the statistical Department. It's the Collector (IAS officer) will make use of Revenue Department if they are short in staff or depend on the Situations. The Statistical and Revenue (Infact Government Employees) People are so lazy to go each and every individual House for Data and majority of the them fill the data themselves.

 

[Tech&ME]

is this Question for serious?

If you ever ask anyone who's works in Collect-orate Office. They will be happy to tell you How Revenue Department is involved in Census Data collection.. Listen I am not telling Revenue will control the statistical Department. It's the Collector (IAS officer) will make use of Revenue Department if they are short in staff or depend on the Situations. The Statistical and Revenue (Infact Government Employees) People are so lazy to go each and every individual House for Data and majority of the them fill the data themselves.

Well, some things are hard to explain. A 2% error rate in 1.2 billion people is a huge number in itself. Whether you agree or not is not the question here. I am quoting a figure acknowledged by some of the best statisticians in the country. I'll double check if I get the time and try to find a link.

And what does revenue department have to do with collecting census data?

I think you both need to understand that the statistical data in India is not collected by a SINGLE Department or Ministry.

Their is a vast parity between the actual data collected and the one which is recorded.

Please go to this link to understand it.

Example:

The other day someone came to my house saying they are from Health Department and would like to collect data on:

1. Number of Members in the family.

2. Age.

3. Education Qualification of each member.

4. Job / Self Employed / etc status of each member.

5. Health Insurance [ if subscribed to any with details ]

Now I answered every question correctly except the last question. I said we have no LIC or any other Insurance policy because I had no time to give him the actual details, so I simply said we have no Insurance Policy.

The point I want to make here is : Data Collected may not contain all the truth.

 

[Krow]

I think you both need to understand that the statistical data in India is not collected by a SINGLE Department or Ministry.

Your low powers of comprehension amuse me once again. When have I ever said that stats are collected only by one department? Kindly avoid mis-quoting and putting things out of context.

 

[Tech&ME]

Your low powers of comprehension amuse me once again. When have I ever said that stats are collected only by one department? Kindly avoid mis-quoting and putting things out of context.

thanks for the rant.

98% accuracy ?? that was my context for you. If different departments collect data, consistency is lost.

you will not understand this.

 

[sygeek]

Isn't this very obvious?

Whoever is upgrading to a whole new system, consider donating your previous system.

 

[Arsenal_Gunners]

Computing and Internet does indeed enpower people, and please don't bring blah blah are hungry there's no need for a computer. Typical Indian non-progessive attitude.

And why not?Personal Computers should be way down the priority list.

Data on weather, modern farm practices, price, futures trading of agricultural produce etc. There are already KVK's (Krishi Vigyan Kendra) where farmers come for information. Also NABARD helps setting up type of kiosks (shame on me, forgotten the exact name of the project), where a computer and internet connection is provided. Member farmers can gather information and knowledge free of cost. Any information just a click away.

This.Computers at community centres are enough at the moment in rural areas.

 

[Piyush]

90.6% Indians still don't have Computer/Laptop!!!

 

[Sujeet]

Well, some things are hard to explain. A 2% error rate in 1.2 billion people is a huge number in itself. Whether you agree or not is not the question here. I am quoting a figure acknowledged by some of the best statisticians in the country. I'll double check if I get the time and try to find a link.

And what does revenue department have to do with collecting census data?

Correct.

Around 30-45% must be having pc's at home.
Ofcource Census Enumeration is more detailed.But i mean,It might be done due to human error,Because people go from house to house,Spending at least 20 mins in each,They get tired.So,they might be mistakes in entering maybe,while they enter it in their comp

You are guessing that it should be around 30-45% and that too for 1.2bn Population...do you know the extent of ESTIMATION you have dared to make.Sire! And are still not ready to accept the figures which even if not that accurate are good enough to give a bigger picture of the level of technological penetration Indian society has undergone!

Noobish Talk...Data can be inaccurate because people were tired..how many times do you write a answer wrong in exams even when you know the correct answer...jut because you are tired!!! Some errors could be there but its a matter of national issue..lives of 1.2 billion Indians...The data is cross checked for minimum official/human based errors and are revised several times before publishing..go check out a office where they do it the hard way!

Data on weather, modern farm practices, price, futures trading of agricultural produce etc. There are already KVK's (Krishi Vigyan Kendra) where farmers come for information. Also NABARD helps setting up type of kiosks (shame on me, forgotten the exact name of the project), where a computer and internet connection is provided. Member farmers can gather information and knowledge free of cost. Any information just a click away.

That's the beauty of computer and internet, it can actually help empower people. Too bad some of our politicians/general public make us think otherwise.

Right.Technology brings empowerment and progress .It is symbolic of Progress.

Crap As someone said before that when maybe 30% of India's population is still hungry for food and dont have clothing, these survey count them to have a laptop and computer.

This is sheer stupidity ....rather than this they should do a survey on " How much hours of electricity is provided in Rural areas every day "

I have heard that in rural areas there is no electricity for 8-16 hrs

Take break before jumping into discussion.Check out the link in first Post..There is the complete database of entire survey reports carried out with 30+mb of excel/pdf files with electricity / automobile/water and tons other topics.

Computing and Internet does indeed empower people, and please don't bring blah blah are hungry there's no need for a computer. Typical Indian non-progressive attitude.

Well said.

 

[Liverpool_fan]

And why not?Personal Computers should be way down the priority list.

Read my post again.

 

[ajaymailed]

Crap As someone said before that when maybe 30% of India's population is still hungry for food and dont have clothing, these survey count them to have a laptop and computer.

This is sheer stupidity ....rather than this they should do a survey on " How much hours of electricity is provided in Rural areas every day "

I have heard that in rural areas there is no electricity for 8-16 hrs

Basic needs are always more important any computer or electricity. Above the basic needs, one needs literacy, infrastructure like electricity to own a computer/laptop.

Focus of PC/Laptop is on people who are able to meet basic needs & has electricity for most of the time, not for below poverty line or people struggling to meet those basic needs.

technology is supposed to help overcome lack of infrastructure like copper wire network, regular electricity supply etc

 

[Arsenal_Gunners]

Read my post again.

There really is no need or use of a computer for people lacking basic amenities.

Ask a typical farmer what he needs more.A desktop and Internet to access information or electricity for irrigation.I know what he'd prefer.

 

[CommanderShawnzer]

Computing and Internet does indeed enpower people, and please don't bring blah blah are hungry there's no need for a computer. Typical Indian non-progessive attitude.

So i take it you're....... English?
computers/laptops comes figures like no.6 on people's priority list
1.food & nutrition
2.shelter
3. literacy(how on earth can you make full use of a PC if you're not literate)
4.electricity(solar power PC's are not mainstream....yet)
5.good income/money(money to buy a PC.standard rig's come for 20k min.a debt-ridden farmer generally cant afford that)
6.computers/laptops

Computing and Internet does indeed enpower people, and please don't bring blah blah are hungry there's no need for a computer.

i agree PC's and technology sure empower people

 

[Desmond]

I couldn't agree less, but the statement should be that PCs empower people, provided that basic necessities are met.
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