1080p for Gaming with TV, 65k budget

[Innocent Lies]

Hi,

Planning to buy a Gaming rig with these requirements:

1. Want to do Gaming by connecting it to my TV or Projector.
2. Since these are both 1080p/60Hz or so, I'd like to play all Games at 1080p with high/v.high settings at atleast >30 FPS.
3. Since I'm not going to be changing either TV/Projector for atleast 5 years I hope my machine can play Games at 1080 for atleast 3-4 yrs minimum.

4. OC is not a priority. An option to do it at little-no extra cost would still be welcome though.
5. Planning to buy in Delhi. Also quite open to buy online if safe/tried& tested options exist
6. OS would be Windows 7.
7. Dont want to buy Monitor/Speakers/KB&M
8. Probably would be needing an assembler, dunno how to assemble.
9. Budget would be around 60-65K. Willing to extend it a bit if required.
10. Planning to buy it in May.
11. Finally I game in 3-4 hour sessions generally. 5-6 hrs every fortnight or so.

I want the best price/performance at 1080p gaming level, if it means spending extra for a lot more performance, I'm open to it.
I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to buying and assembling your own computer but quite willing to learn.

I was thinking of going for a Zotac 660Ti AMP or Sapphire 7950 HD OC Graphics card but the recent deal about Gigabyte 660Ti seems too good to miss so gonna go with that. It's a solid option for my requirements right?
On the CPU front I'm gonna go with i5 3570k. It seems the best option to me currently, if you think I should change it do mention why.
I don't know about MOBO, I was thinking a Z77 based one but I'd like to hear a few options specially as best fit/slightly lower/slightly higher so I can find good combos/deals etc. (something like Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H maybe?)

That's pretty much it. Only one thing to consider is that I might want to add some parts in 4-6 months such as maybe an SSD, have a SLI setup, more RAM etc. so a system that can handle that well enough would be great. I'd also like to spend 4-6K on a good case but that discussion is for later.

Thanks!

 

[ASHISH65]

fill these first - *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/pc-compon...new-pc-help-answer-these-questions-first.html

 

[harshilsharma63]

FX 8350 (11500)
Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0 (7100)
Seasonic S12II 620 620W (5400)
G.Skill RipjawsX 1600MHz 4 GB (2200)
WD Blue 1 TB (3700)
Gigabyte GTX660ti x2 SLI (30000) GRAB IT ASAP FROM FLIPKART
NZXT Gamma (2600)
CM Hyper 212 EVO (2200)

total: 64700

> GTX660ti is currently available for just 15k on FK. Grab two of them ASPS. 660ti SLI > single HD7970. ASAP :shocked:

fill these first - *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/pc-compon...new-pc-help-answer-these-questions-first.html

T think OP already answered the questions but mentioned just the answers. Bad editing

 

[ASHISH65]

Intel i5 3570k - rs 14000

Gigabyte z77-UD3H - rs 12000

Seasonic S12II 620w - rs 4900

Corsair vengance 8gb (4x2) = rs 4000

WD Blue 1 TB - Rs 3700

Samsung s840 (120gb) ssd - rs 6000

Corsair 400r cabinet - rs 4500

Cm hyper evo 212 - rs 2100

AsusGigabyte gtx 660 2gb - rs 15000


Total - rs 66,200

 

[Cilus]

65K budget is too low for gaming for 3 to 4 years, in fact 150K budget might fall short of your expectation

AMD FX-8350 @ 11.5K
Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0 @ 7K
Kingston HyperX Blue 1600 MHz CL9 4GB X 2 @ 3.8K
Toshiba 7200 RPM SATA 6 Gbps 1 TB HDD @ 3.9K
Corsair Carbide 400R @ 4.6K
Seasonic SS12II 620 620W 80+ Bronze PSU @ 4.7K
Sapphire HD 7970 OC 3GB GDDR5 @ 28.6K
Asus 24X DVD R/W @ 1K

 

[Innocent Lies]

FX 8350 (11500)

Why an AMD processor? Is there a significant difference at similar price? As I would be much more comfortable with an intel one specially that's heavily tried & tested.
Does an 8-core actually help?

Seasonic S12II 620 620W (5400)

Will this be enough for an SLI setup? I've heard atleast 750W should be used?

G.Skill RipjawsX 1600MHz 4 GB (2200)

Just 4 GB? Is it enough?

Gigabyte GTX660ti x2 SLI (30000) GRAB IT ASAP FROM FLIPKART

I know its a steal but is it really required for me ATM?

Also not sure if AMD CPU/MOBO goes well with Nvidia?

Thanks for the help!

65K budget is too low for gaming for 3 to 4 years, in fact 150K budget might fall short of your expectation

What I want to say is it should play all released games at 1080p at high~ish settings and should be able to play at 1080p later on (even with lower settings)
I could stretch my budget but MAX MAX till 75k as I feel anything more would be needless overkill.

AMD FX-8350 @ 11.5K

Is this a MUCH better option than an intel? Specifically i5 -3570k?

Kingston HyperX Blue 1600 MHz CL9 4GB X 2 @ 3.8K

Does the brand make a big difference here?

Sapphire HD 7970 OC 3GB GDDR5 @ 28.6K

Wouldn't the 660Ti x 2 be better here at the same price?

Plus I hear the Raedon drivers are not that good and cause micro-stutters/ frame rate is not smooth. (techreport)

 

[ASHISH65]

8gb ram is must for future gaming

yes gtx 660ti sli is better than hd 7970.

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for multigpus sli is alwys better than xfire due to better driver support


uptill now i5 3570k is faster than fx 8350 in every game,but still fx 8350 is good vfm.there is not a big difference between them in real world gaming.choice is yours which to get!




@harshilsharma i have said before Asus M5A97 mobo doesnot support sli,only xfire + @2nd pci slot is X4 speed.

if you want to multigpu setup in amd then you have to get mobo whcih has minimum 2nd pci 2.0 slot @x8 speed to make sure no bottlencks.

 

[harshilsharma63]

Why an AMD processor? Is there a significant difference at similar price? As I would be much more comfortable with an intel one specially that's heavily tried & tested.
Does an 8-core actually help?


Will this be enough for an SLI setup? I've heard atleast 750W should be used?


Just 4 GB? Is it enough?



I know its a steal but is it really required for me ATM?

Also not sure if AMD CPU/MOBO goes well with Nvidia?

Thanks for the help!


What I want to say is it should play all released games at 1080p at high~ish settings and should be able to play at 1080p later on (even with lower settings)
I could stretch my budget but MAX MAX till 75k as I feel anything more would be needless overkill.


Is this a MUCH better option than an intel? Specifically i5 -3570k?


Does the brand make a big difference here?


Wouldn't the 660Ti x 2 be better here at the same price?

Plus I hear the Raedon drivers are not that good and cause micro-stutters/ frame rate is not smooth. (techreport)

> If you talk about JUST gaming, then an i5 xxxx at similar price will give 8-20 fps more than the FX 8350. But, games have started to get multi-cored and that is where fx 8350 shines. PS4 is confirmed to have 8 core processor, so developers who port console games to PC will definitely love yo see more cores. FX 8350 comes very close to the i7 3770k in many tasks. Also 8350 is overclockable, so you can extract every drop of performance out of it when it starts getting a bit slower. If I would be buying a PC, I would go for FX 8350.

> 650W for overclocked FX 8350 and GTX 660ti SLI is enogh. you can ofcourse go for something of higher wattage.

> The graphs posted by ashish65 justify the investement in GTX 660ti SLI

> AMD cpu and Nvidia GPU have no compatibility issues.

> You are safe with 4 GB ram now as you can add another 4 GB stick anytime in future.

@harshilsharma i have said before Asus M5A97 mobo doesnot support sli,only xfire + @2nd pci slot is X4 speed.

if you want to multigpu setup in amd then you have to get mobo whcih has minimum 2nd pci 2.0 slot @x8 speed to make sure no bottlencks.

Can you suggest another motherboard for this case?

 

[ASHISH65]

this one is costly ,but worth every rupees - Asus sabertooth 990fx @rs 14k

also Gigabyte Ga-990xa-Ud3 @rs 10k (needs latest bios update i think to support fx)

@op if you want better psu then get Seasonic SS750JS (750w) - rs 5700

 

[flyingcow]

The 660ti isnt selling at 15k i repeat IT IS NOT SELLING AT 15k.... Ive checked it 23 times on FK cant seem to find it, maybe it was a glitch or something.....

 

[ASHISH65]

lol lol thanks for info

 

[Innocent Lies]

Oh well back to square one, I guess.

So Zotac GTX 660 TI 2GB DDR5 AMP or Sapphire HD 7950 Vapor-X 3GB DDR5 OC ?

 

[harshilsharma63]

^ I vote for sapphire hd7950 vapor x.

^ I vote for sapphire hd7950 vapor x.

 

[ASHISH65]

AMP cards tend to be the stronger of the factory overclocked cards from Nvidia so Gtx 660ti amp edition is slight faster than hd 7950 @stock so if there is 2k price difference between them ,then grab gtx 660ti as it would bang for buck

 

[Sainatarajan]

HD 7950 can be OCed to achieve the Stock HD 7970 Performance . So it is better than the 660 Ti

 

[harshilsharma63]

HD 7950 can be OCed to achieve the Stock HD 7970 Performance . So it is better than the 660 Ti

Um... thats not a good reason, but yeah, HD7950 is better than GTX 660ti, 660ti gives higher FPS in BF3, but HD7950 gives higher frame rates in almost all other games.

 

[HCgamer101]

> If you talk about JUST gaming, then an i5 xxxx at similar price will give 8-20 fps more than the FX 8350. But, games have started to get multi-cored and that is where fx 8350 shines. PS4 is confirmed to have 8 core processor, so developers who port console games to PC will definitely love yo see more cores. FX 8350 comes very close to the i7 3770k in many tasks. Also 8350 is overclockable, so you can extract every drop of performance out of it when it starts getting a bit slower. If I would be buying a PC, I would go for FX 8350.

> 650W for overclocked FX 8350 and GTX 660ti SLI is enogh. you can ofcourse go for something of higher wattage.

> The graphs posted by ashish65 justify the investement in GTX 660ti SLI

> AMD cpu and Nvidia GPU have no compatibility issues.

> You are safe with 4 GB ram now as you can add another 4 GB stick anytime in future.


Can you suggest another motherboard for this case?

not to sound cocky, but do you even have a list of games which are multicored except for crysis 3? and everyone agrees that crysis 3 is optimized really badly.

1. What performance boost are you expecting ? its not like unless you clock 50% of the base clock you are going to get a more than 10% increase.

2. The main plus point of the ps4 is not the 8core processor, but the 8gb ram. The 8 core jaguar processor is widely accepted as not being too powerful.

3. The FX-8350 has 4 cores in the true sense or 4 compute units. So its not like its an octa core processor.

4. Why not stick with a 500w PSU and get 8GB Ram ? considering its the need of the hour. Games like BF3 can almost use as much of 4GB ram.


I dont think you understand that more cores = / = more performance. IF your cores are weak its the same thing as a celeron. IMHO for a pure gaming rig a 3450 is the way to go.The 8350 is already getting maxed out, whereas for intel processors the hyperthreading has not even started working, so you see my point here.

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@Ashish65

it does make sense to go with a dual x8 lane mobo, but even with a x16 and x4 the difference is negligible. If the price difference is not justified then even a x16 and x4 mobo is okay.

 

[ASHISH65]

ya agree battlefield 3 takes more than 4gb ram at max settings.8gb ram is must now

 

[HCgamer101]

65K budget is too low for gaming for 3 to 4 years, in fact 150K budget might fall short of your expectation

AMD FX-8350 @ 11.5K
Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0 @ 7K
Kingston HyperX Blue 1600 MHz CL9 4GB X 2 @ 3.8K
Toshiba 7200 RPM SATA 6 Gbps 1 TB HDD @ 3.9K
Corsair Carbide 400R @ 4.6K
Seasonic SS12II 620 620W 80+ Bronze PSU @ 4.7K
Sapphire HD 7970 OC 3GB GDDR5 @ 28.6K
Asus 24X DVD R/W @ 1K

Actually a 500k budget will also fall short for that long a period.

change processor and motherboard to a i53450 + B75 get a 520w psu and its a really good config. Maybe add more ram and use ramdisk. ( no need for SSD )

or can also get 8gb ram and add a small SSD

 

[Innocent Lies]

Ok so I've been reading about ps4 a bit and the Processor to buy:
The 8350 gives decent performance at 720p or 1080p. It's real advantage should come with games that uses 8 cores properly. Plus the price difference will allow me to have a better plan for future.

I understand the key to PS4 is the 8 GB ram that can be used for graphics. Though there's nothing like that on the pc side, a crossfire setup with 2 HD 7950 OC should do fine. A 7970 seems needlessly expensive.
An 8 GB ram 1600 mhz & a PSU + mobo to support the above.

That's all I want for now. In about 6-12 months I plan to increase ram + get an SSD.
In 2-3 yrs replace the processor and mobo while keeping everything else. Sound good?

The only thing I want to know is what are the drawbacks of amd based system other than it consumes much more power. (and maybe more heat n noise)