Vista vs Mojave

[Pat]

No hardware is made for a particular OS. Hardware always follows standards.

This is the reason why I stopped getting into discussions with you.

My Logitech Quick Cam some model, worked out of the box in both XP & Vista. So yeah, you don't need to install drivers for every hardware. I thought you might be knowing this.

My unbranded, Chinese webcam works out of the box in Ubuntu Hardy but needs drivers in Vista.

 

[Kl@w-24]

True... There is no doubt about the fact that 8.04 was the most broken distro ever released by Canonical. That was a huge blunder by them and they are liable to be condemned. A company whose distro is by far the most popular shouldn't be this irresponsible.

Now just think, someone has heard a lot about Ubuntu & Linux from his colleagues, friends, whatever. He goes on and downloads Ubuntu 8.04, only to find out that he can't even proceed to the installation!! What impression will he have of this OS and what will he tell others about it?

The same thing happened with Vista as well. People who hopped onto the Vista bandwagon at a very early stage (without realizing whether their computers were even capable of running it) were not too impressed with it and dismissed it as a resource-hog and a buggy OS. Some couldn't get things working coz they were so used to the XP interface that a slight change in the placement of items like Network Connections (for ex.) got them confused. The word then spread like wildfire that Vista is crap, don't use it and what-not. Things have changed for the better with SP1 but the beliefs that have been formed in people's minds just don't seem to go away.

 

[iMav]

If there is something Vista did for the computer world (software & hardware) is that it made 2 GB as a minimum that most people have, which is a good thing, you can't have advances in 1 field and expect the other to stay archaic. Vista made buying a new computer very simple for most people who want a laptop or desktop, it set hardware benchmarks.

 

[chandru.in]

If there is something Vista did for the computer world (software & hardware) is that it made 2 GB as a minimum that most people have, which is a good thing, you can't have advances in 1 field and expect the other to stay archaic. Vista made buying a new computer very simple for most people who want a laptop or desktop, it set hardware benchmarks.

Wow!! I never knew that a day would come when creating bloated software which hogged hardware resources would be called a contribution to technology.

 

[infra_red_dude]

My Logitech Quick Cam some model, worked out of the box in both XP & Vista. So yeah, you don't need to install drivers for every hardware. I thought you might be knowing this.

Yeah? QuickCam is some unbranded Chinese cam? Quickcam works without drivers in XP, Vista, Most Linux distros and Mac OS X without any drivers.

Anirudh, I guess U are aware of the fact that Windows comes with many drivers included & also has Windows Update for driver updates.

For some unbranded Chinese webcam?

Thats the whole issue dude... DRIVERS.. thats what I've been screaming out since the start of this thread....

The initial release of 8.04 had few problems. They had to compromise and provide few programs which were in development version (Firefox 3 beta 5 for example) as they'll have to support them for another 2 years. If they had provided current stable versions, they may become obsolete within 2 years (again FF 2 for example)

Plz don't link this "few problems" with the ACPI bug, the kernel bug etc. This is by far the worst distro out there released by Canonical.

When you compare XP with Vista and say Vista was pathetic at the time of release I'd compare Ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 and would the same about 8.04.

Just when we say about MS: "With power comes great responsibility", with Canonical I'd say: "With popularity and brand name (Ubuntu is synonymous with Linux today), comes great responsibility".

Now just think, someone has heard a lot about Ubuntu & Linux from his colleagues, friends, whatever. He goes on and downloads Ubuntu 8.04, only to find out that he can't even proceed to the installation!! What impression will he have of this OS and what will he tell others about it?

I would whole-heartedly agree on this with you and this is what I tried to highlight in my previous post. Canonical has been very irresponsible.

The same thing happened with Vista as well.

This where I fail to agree with you. Things were different when XP was released. The performance of OS to power of hardware ratio of Vista is very very bad as compared to any previous Windows version. It very evident. Just try running something like Auto CAD 2k8 or Maya or something + Vista on the standard hardware available today and compare it with the same during XP dayz. People who haf extensively used XP and previous releases and haf some knowledge about OS internals will agree to what I am saying.

If there is something Vista did for the computer world (software & hardware) is that it made 2 GB as a minimum that most people have, which is a good thing, you can't have advances in 1 field and expect the other to stay archaic. Vista made buying a new computer very simple for most people who want a laptop or desktop, it set hardware benchmarks.

haha.. thats the funniest thing I've ever read God save the computing world...

 

[Kl@w-24]

If there is something Vista did for the computer world (software & hardware) is that it made 2 GB as a minimum that most people have, which is a good thing, you can't have advances in 1 field and expect the other to stay archaic. Vista made buying a new computer very simple for most people who want a laptop or desktop, it set hardware benchmarks.

I wouldn't agree with you. Vista didn't just require people to upgrade RAM. If you want to enjoy the Aero interface, you'll also need to invest in a capable graphics card or an onboard solution that can support it. A new OS should NOT require you to upgrade substantial parts of your hardware, IMHO.

In a nutshell, I'd say Vista ain't bad, but it ain't that good either.

This where I fail to agree with you. Things were different when XP was released. The performance of OS to power of hardware ratio of Vista is very very bad as compared to any previous Windows version. It very evident. Just try running something like Auto CAD 2k8 or Maya or something + Vista on the standard hardware available today and compare it with the same during XP dayz. People who haf extensively used XP and previous releases and haf some knowledge about OS internals will agree to what I am saying.

I'll have to say I agree with you. What I meant to say in my previous post was, that the devil is not as black as he is painted

 

[iMav]

^^ That's where you guys are fundamentally wrong. You want Vista ran on a P1 with 16 MB RAM and that is what I have been trying to tell you guys that software & hardware development should go hand in hand. You can't expect something released today consume the same amount of resources that are 5 year old.

Vista made 2 GB RAM a bare minimum for people buying computers.

 

[infra_red_dude]

^^ That's you guys are fundamentally wrong. You want Vista ran on a P1 with 16 MB RAM and that is hat I have been trying to tell you guys that software & hardware development should go hand in hand. You can't expect something released today consume the same amount of resources that are 5 year old.

Plz stop this BS dude.. nobody is trying to do that.. or even think as stupid as that.. people are not even able to run Vista properly with 1GB RAM.. and thats something which became a standard when Vista was released. The same goes for GMA 950.

I shouldn't drag this thing into this thread but anyway.. here goes.. When Apple announced that its dropping support for PPC arch. in Snow Leopard (to be released earliest by next year) you two were the first to cry about it and condemn Apple... and now you say this thing.. Thats purely double standards...

 

[iMav]

Ask the hardware manufacturers you will come to know how Vista has helped them in selling newer and better hardware. Stand at Croma's computer section for 15 minutes and listen to what people ask, will this machine run Vista, give me a comp that can run Vista. Even Croma execs say that Vista has helped them sell computers which usually people over look.

 

[Kl@w-24]

^^ That's where you guys are fundamentally wrong. You want Vista ran on a P1 with 16 MB RAM and that is what I have been trying to tell you guys that software & hardware development should go hand in hand. You can't expect something released today consume the same amount of resources that are 5 year old.

Vista made 2 GB RAM a bare minimum for people buying computers.

Let's talk about today's situation then. Suppose I've got 2 GB of RAM and I'm running Vista. Now you might be knowing, Vista needs 2 GB of RAM to be comfortable. I bought this system so that I could run resource-intensive apps like Maya or AutoCAD etc. but since I'm on Vista, the OS itself gobbles up a massive chunk of available memory!! So what's left for my apps???
I'm not saying for a minute that Vista sucks, but there are some valid points against it.

Ask the hardware manufacturers you will come to know how Vista has helped them in selling newer and better hardware.

And costlier hardware, may I add?

 

[infra_red_dude]

Ask the hardware manufacturers you will come to know how Vista has helped them in selling newer and better hardware.

Are you defending Vista as a consumer or as a profit oriented hardware manufacturer? What has this post gotta do with us consumers?

What rationality in thinking, dude.... Hats off...

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Anyways, was just posting in this thread for a change Back to work now.. Lets forget about Mojave and ask the members of this forum about their experience on Vista Thats the best acid test for it

 

[iMav]

Anyways, was just posting in this thread for a change Back to work now.. Lets forget about Mojave and ask the members of this forum about their experience on Vista Thats the best acid test for it

What do you expect on an antiMS.com/forum?

As far helping consumers is concerned, the early something is adopted the sooner something better will come and the sooner it will mature and the sooner the cost comes down.

 

[gxsaurav]

For some unbranded Chinese webcam?

Thats the whole issue dude... DRIVERS.. thats what I've been screaming out since the start of this thread....

U do know that even these web cams adheres to some standards & use common web cam chipsets.

Just try running something like Auto CAD 2k8 or Maya or something + Vista on the standard hardware available today and compare it with the same during XP dayz

Ahem...sure about this? Then how M I working???? GPU acceleration & DWM is the best thing which happened to computing.

the high end hardware which once vista required is now dirt cheap & standard.

 

[infra_red_dude]

U do know that even these web cams adheres to some standards & use common web cam chipsets.

Just coz something works for your "ideal" hardware doesn't mean it works for the whole world. Jus come over dude.. I will anyday prove this wrong. You are mistaken.. all those exotic hardware use some obscure chipsets which fail to work on any OS'. Take that situation and then compare the OS'.

Ahem...sure about this? Then how M I working???? GPU acceleration & DWM is the best thing which happened to computing. the high end hardware which once vista required is now dirt cheap & standard.

Come over to my place and I will show you at least 30 computers like this and more.

PS: Arrange your own tickets

Ask the hardware manufacturers you will come to know how Vista has helped them in selling newer and better hardware. Stand at Croma's computer section for 15 minutes and listen to what people ask, will this machine run Vista, give me a comp that can run Vista. Even Croma execs say that Vista has helped them sell computers which usually people over look.

And the point is? Are you trying to say MS is helping the hardware vendors make huge bucks by duping the consumers into buying new hardware for Vista?

What do you expect on an antiMS.com/forum?

For once.. lets bar all those people in this forum who use Linux or haf even tried it once. Conduct the survey on purely Windows users and see what the result is

And frankly dude.. I'm not dragging Linux or even Mac OS X in this thread. All my posts pertain to comparisons between MS' own OS' - XP and Vista.

 

[gxsaurav]

Come over to my place and I will show you at least 30 computers like this and more.

No need to yell, if you don't know how to configure a Workstation, it's not my mistake.

 

[infra_red_dude]

^^^ haha.. OK dude.. point noted.. I don't know to "configure a Workstation"

 

[Pat]

Ya right. If a user can't configure a Linux workstation, it is the fault of Linux. However, if a user can't configure a Vista workstation, it is the fault of the user. Cool.

 

[FilledVoid]

Same stuff ..... New Packaging. As far as this thread goes I only have a few things.

Oh! Well, back to square one. This project proves that all the Vista bad press is nothing but FUD.

Created by your own users or people who "don't know how to configure a Workstation."

What do you expect on an antiMS.com/forum?

I doubt this forum is antiMS as you put it. Anti-Fanboy maybe. AntiMS , Nope don't think so.

 

[infra_red_dude]

Ya right. If a user can't configure a Linux workstation, it is the fault of Linux. However, if a user can't configure a Vista workstation, it is the fault of the user. Cool.

A request to keep 'Linux' out of this thread. Things will get out of control, otherwise.

 

[iMav]

More info on the Mojave experiment:

The focus group took place over three days in San Francisco and was conducted earlier this month.

1. All participants were either Mac, Linux, or users of versions of Windows that came before Windows Vista. Respondents were chosen from the focus group organizer's database, called at random, but then selected based on having a low perception of Vista (<5 rating on a scale of 1-10).
2. The participants were given a demo by a trained retail salesperson - geared towards the experiences they seemed most interested in following a series of interviews. While the retail salesperson drove the demo, it was geared by the interests and direction of the participant.
3. We did not use some geeked out or custom built PC. We used an HP Pavilion DV2500. It had 2GB of RAM and was running an Intel Core 2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz. The OS was a 32 bit version of Windows Vista Ultimate.
4. Of the 120 respondents polled, on a scale of 1:10 where 10 was the highest rating, the average pre-rating for Windows Vista was 4.4. After they saw the demo, respondents rated Mojave an average of 8.5.