Vista vs Mojave

[sameer.pur]

Since it already turned out to Windows VS. Linux..

I would also like to add my view..
We always brag for eye-candy & more visual in games. (At least some of us. Not me, I only look at gameplay.)
We are even ready to spend thousands for it.
For this reason we also prove that IGP is crap.
But when an OS is giving some eye-candy. We are sueing against it. or say FUDing it. WHY..??
I will not say Vista is perfect, infact no OS is. I do agree with pillainp.
For most people simplicity is most important. XP provided it better.
For now, people are used to work with XP. They can't seem to think to switch.
Ask a P-III 500 MHz., 64 MB RAM owner who used Win98 a year and half ago..what it was like to switch..!! (I am one..)
So it's the thinking we need to change.

I just want to say.. Vista is not a crap. It's a bit hard to catch on using it.
But XP too was in early days. and about Linux.. I would say until it becomes more h/w compatible, it's not gonna be my primary OS.

And, it was my view. Since every person can have their own opinion.
Thanks for reading this.

 

[gxsaurav]

Linux still has a lots more feature to provide. This is the problem with lingeeks. if linux isn't compatible with someone's hardware then it isn't the fault of Linux, it is the fault of user. however if a hardware is not vista compatible then it is some how the fault of MS & not the hardware manufacturer

 

[sameer.pur]

Linux still has a lots more feature to provide. This is the problem with lingeeks. if linux isn't compatible with someone's hardware then it isn't the fault of Linux, it is the fault of user. however if a hardware is not vista compatible then it is some how the fault of MS & not the hardware manufacturer

I think there is a difference between Vista Compatible & Vista Capable.

Compatibility means having support for it. i.e. it can just run/recognise that.
While Capable means properly running it.

Take a example of 945 Chipset, it can just run Vista but can't run Aero.
While 965 Chipset can fully run Aero on it.

 

[gxsaurav]

Intel 945 chipset came at the same time frame as Vista & with it's GMA 950 it was fully vista compatible. Onboard graphics r always bad for anything but to run the OS only, while DX 9 cards were available since 2005. only basic computers were not compatible.

Mojave project proved that the bad vista press was nothing but FUD by lingeeks & Macboys who have never used it

 

[amitava82]

So are you saying that all the bad names about vista is spread by Linux users and therefore MS is having bad time with it's superior OS? I didn't know Linux user base is so powerful that they can swing a market Good one!

 

[FilledVoid]

Since it already turned out to Windows VS. Linux..

I would also like to add my view..
We always brag for eye-candy & more visual in games. (At least some of us. Not me, I only look at gameplay.)
We are even ready to spend thousands for it.
For this reason we also prove that IGP is crap.
But when an OS is giving some eye-candy. We are sueing against it. or say FUDing it. WHY..??
I will not say Vista is perfect, infact no OS is. I do agree with pillainp.
For most people simplicity is most important. XP provided it better.
For now, people are used to work with XP. They can't seem to think to switch.
Ask a P-III 500 MHz., 64 MB RAM owner who used Win98 a year and half ago..what it was like to switch..!! (I am one..)
So it's the thinking we need to change.

I just want to say.. Vista is not a crap. It's a bit hard to catch on using it.
But XP too was in early days. and about Linux.. I would say until it becomes more h/w compatible, it's not gonna be my primary OS.

And, it was my view. Since every person can have their own opinion.
Thanks for reading this.

Personally I don't think Vista is "crap". Not to mention the topic isn't about Linux so I'll choose to refrain.

Mojave project proved that the bad vista press was nothing but FUD by lingeeks & Macboys who have never used it

Such a pity that one of the best products in Microsofts showcase as you put it turned out to lose its credibility by a couple of "lingeeks" and "macboys". What does the above form like 3% of the market?

 

[chandru.in]

Linux still has a lots more feature to provide. This is the problem with lingeeks. if linux isn't compatible with someone's hardware then it isn't the fault of Linux, it is the fault of user. however if a hardware is not vista compatible then it is some how the fault of MS & not the hardware manufacturer

Simple dude, if a h/w works with Ubuntu 7.10 and does not work with 8.04 then it is fault of Ubuntu. In the same way, if a h/w works with XP but not with Vista (esp those having a Vista capable label on them ), it is the fault of Microsoft.

If a h/w never worked with Linux at all as the manufacturer did not give Linux drivers, how can it be a fault of Linux??

The OS market monopolist is having to go on streets promoting Vista with a lie called Mojave. Seems indicative of something to me.

 

[lywyre]

If Vista would have performed as good as XP on my machine (102 Ggc, 2.66GHz Pentium D, 1GB 667 MHz DDR2 RAM, Onboard ATI XPRESS RADEON 200), then I sure would have upgraded to Vista. I did try Vista on my machine and (un)fortunately, XP was faster and better. I don't go for looks. I am not going to look at my desktop 24x7, but it would be my browser, office suite etc that I am going to be involved with. Also games. Where Vista took the bulk of the memory, XP saved all those for my games and apps. So common sense prevailed.

 

[infra_red_dude]

Linux still has a lots more feature to provide. This is the problem with lingeeks. if linux isn't compatible with someone's hardware then it isn't the fault of Linux, it is the fault of user. however if a hardware is not vista compatible then it is some how the fault of MS & not the hardware manufacturer

OMFG.. you've become a typical MS employee...

 

[gxsaurav]

Simple dude, if a h/w works with Ubuntu 7.10 and does not work with 8.04 then it is fault of Ubuntu. In the same way, if a h/w works with XP but not with Vista (esp those having a Vista capable label on them ), it is the fault of Microsoft.

It is the fault of hardware manufacturer that there are no drivers for Windows Vista for there hardware. In case of Linux it is Linux's fault cos they restrict drivers to be open source only & closed source drivers do not always work with Linux. Driver manufacturer has the choice to release OSS or closed source drivers in case of Windows, but in case of Linux they must OSS it even if they don't want to. Since many hardware manufacturers don't want to release the source of there drivers, they cannot be blamed for not providing linux drivers. Windows gives them choice of going either open source or closed source, Linux doesn't.

 

[infra_red_dude]

It is the fault of hardware manufacturer that there are no drivers for Windows Vista for there hardware. In case of Linux it is Linux's fault cos they restrict drivers to be open source only & closed source drivers do not always work with Linux. Driver manufacturer has the choice to release OSS or closed source drivers in case of Windows, but in case of Linux they must OSS it even if they don't want to.

LOL.. what a hypocrite...

And you are grossly misinformed regarding the drivers being open...

Go.. take a break.. you need rest

 

[FilledVoid]

Driver manufacturer has the choice to release OSS or closed source drivers in case of Windows, but in case of Linux they must OSS it even if they don't want to

You did Install Ubuntu once right? Does "Restricted Drivers" sound familiar?

 

[RCuber]

Some mentioned Hardware Drivers!!
here is my situation .. I bought a so called "Run's on Vista" USB Tuner .. it also won the gold award by digit.. say what.. MCE didnt detect the tuner.. I Could use the tuner with the bundled app and other DVR's

Same Tuner didnt work in Ubuntu too no drivers.. Mehul and IRD knows abt this .
So what should I do .. ditch the Rs. 4400 tuner and get a new tuner which works with Linux & Vista or just use the OS + app which is supported by my Tuner..
I have been using Vista ( genuine ) from past 1 year with fully updated system.. I have to say Vista a big disappointment for me. Vista is not for me ..

 

[infra_red_dude]

Guys.. don't you think we are going off-topic? Bringing Linux in this thread.. I mean.

[Post not meant for Charan as its perfectly on topic ]

 

[MetalheadGautham]

OK, so I borrowed a live Ubuntu distro, 8.04.

It will not recognise my 9600GT, so no 3D.

It will not recognise any USB devices, so no flash drives.

It will not recognise my modem, so all my hopes for the great helpline on the net are shot to hell.

And any change I need to make, it directs me to some man page that is so long I can take it instead of a sleeping pill.

By contrast Vista pre SP1:
9600GT recognised and widescreen resolution automatically applied.
Modem and internet connection detected and all it asked for was the username and password. It connected by itself, and activated by itself.

OH yeah, it recognises all my optical devices off the bat, and is now asking me which one I want as my default writer. With Ubuntu, it was the OS saying that my writer did not exist, because the writer had 8MB cache, but Ubuntu could only see 2. If I said 2, the writer would not work. If I said 8, Ubuntu would not see the writer.

Now the wner of the system also wanted Ubuntu, along with Vista. Guess what he now has, by his own choice. He tells me he wants no part of Ubuntu, and is now productively running Vista.

Point is, I can install Vista and be productive in about 1 hour, whereas with Linux, 1 hour later, I am most likely juking around trying to get my internet to work.

I think the problem is that you just don't know how to use Linux, and expect that linux is 100% the same as windows and all things should happen the same way. Each one of your problems can be answered with one word - its not a problem at all in the first place.

Take a look at me, a typical windows user who installed linux for the thrill of it to give myself an early birthday gift a few weeks before I turned 16. Now, over an year later, I can't have enough of it, and I am able to do things much better in linux THAN in windows. I can't claim I am a linux expert, no that takes years. But I am at a level when I know where to look to solve any random problem that might arise.

and about Linux.. I would say until it becomes more h/w compatible, it's not gonna be my primary OS.

State your hardware so that I can be of help to you.

Linux still has a lots more feature to provide. This is the problem with lingeeks. if linux isn't compatible with someone's hardware then it isn't the fault of Linux, it is the fault of user. however if a hardware is not vista compatible then it is some how the fault of MS & not the hardware manufacturer

Lots of features to provide ? What is that awssome thing in vista that I can't live without ?
A Linux Distro like Arch or Debian is MUCH MUCH more feature rich and complete as an OS compared to windows. Besides, the main problem with windows is that its simply not as easy to use as linux. And its damn slow. Install something like JRE to know what I mean. After downloading I can install it within 4 seconds on arch while on windows xp it takes a few minutes. And if a hardware supports open standards, it supports linux too. But the real issue is that many hardware vendors don't care about supporting an OS, often because of secret licence agreements with companies like Microsoft.

So are you saying that all the bad names about vista is spread by Linux users and therefore MS is having bad time with it's superior OS? I didn't know Linux user base is so powerful that they can swing a market Good one!

+1. Linux is hardly wide spread. Its used, but not by n00bs who are as common in this world as dirt in people's shoes.

OMFG.. you've become a typical MS employee...

I thought he already is one...

 

[Faun]

It is the fault of hardware manufacturer that there are no drivers for Windows Vista for there hardware. In case of Linux it is Linux's fault cos they restrict drivers to be open source only & closed source drivers do not always work with Linux. Driver manufacturer has the choice to release OSS or closed source drivers in case of Windows, but in case of Linux they must OSS it even if they don't want to. Since many hardware manufacturers don't want to release the source of there drivers, they cannot be blamed for not providing linux drivers. Windows gives them choice of going either open source or closed source, Linux doesn't.

uber religious hypocrite

reminds me of Tuco in TGTBATU

Do you even know why open source philosophy exists

 

[k6153r]

Microsoft must understand that, most people are waiting for Windows 7 (or 8).

 

[iMav]

A Linux Distro like Arch or Debian is MUCH MUCH more feature rich and complete as an OS compared to windows. Besides, the main problem with windows is that its simply not as easy to use as linux. And its damn slow.

Thank you for that dose of laughter. I needed that. Thank you. I am still ->

 

[amitava82]

@MetalheadGautham: please stop the joke that Arch/Linux is easier than Windows. It's getting old already.

 

[infra_red_dude]

...and expect that linux is 100% the same as windows and all things should happen the same way.

+1. This is very true.

A Linux Distro like Arch or Debian is MUCH MUCH more feature rich and complete as an OS compared to windows. Besides, the main problem with windows is that its simply not as easy to use as linux.

ZOMG... Arch is easier than Windows... Dude.. what do you smoke????

....but not by n00bs who are as common in this world as dirt in people's shoes.

When you post something in a public forum, post sensibly and use better analogies.

I thought he already is one...

Now he's showing that he is one

Thank you for that dose of laughter. I needed that. Thank you. I am still ->

I'm with you.. lol...