Will Wii u meet the same fate of Sega Dreamcast

Will Wii u meet the same fate of Sega Dreamcast


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NoasArcAngel

Wise Old Owl
I am not shouting. I was just applying extreme emphasis on that portion of the statement.

A list of upcoming 3rd party games on the Wii U(not including indies, off the top of my head):

Resident Evil: Revelations Unveiled Edition
Deus Ex: Human Revolution Directors Cut
Project CARS
LEGO Marvel Superheroes
Lego Batman 2
Assassins Creed: Black Flag
Watch: Dogs
Rayman Legends
Splinter Cell: Conviction
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Project Phoenix
Skylanders Swap Force
Disney Infinity
Sacrilegium
Arkham Origins

No console could survive with exclusives, thats why Sony tried and got them in an effort to bail out the PS3.

The price of the Cell and Blu-ray drive did not drop by $200 in that amount of time. They cost a little more than that to manufacture(in total) in the first place.

The PS3 did get a redesign, not just new SKUs to help push it.

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS3_Slim#Slim_model

If this does not count as a redesign, then nothing does.


Whether you are a hardware hacker or not and the number of consoles you've owned and the number of games you have played is irrelevant. My point was that it is stupid to ask a person not to comment on hardware hacks just because he is not one himself.

And how does playing video games and owning consoles even let you know what the industry trends are? And if you really are a hardware hacker then you will know that it is something that >90% of consumers can't/won't do, even for solder free ones.

Valve's employees have the freedom to choose which project they work on. I work at Valve confirmed.

Name one Nintendo franchise that is being milked and prove it. The games from those franchises are still selling bloody well.

Look up the facts before you reply.

the last time i checked, typing in caps MEANS YOU ARE SHOUTING . making an extreme point.

your list of games is like a single word compared to the games the xbox infinity and the ps4 are going to be having after 6 months of their release


Are you serious? redesigning a cooling system and reattaching wires doesnt count as a console "redesign"


blu ray drive prices did drop by that amount. 599~799$ was the price of the standalone bluray drive. cbe fabrication shifted to a smaller process reducing costs and also reducing cooling costs.

No wonder valve sucks, day by day.

every nintendo fp is being milked, mario kart specially. What proof do you want? it is not as if mario kart has changed over the years.

its like coke, been around for 60 years doesnt even taste the same but still sells and every 2-3 years you get a new product like vanilla coke and cherry coke and ...orange coke. Its not so hard to understand

you should look up your facts. :lol:
 
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CommanderShawnzer

Steam High Templar
the last time i checked, typing in caps MEANS YOU ARE SHOUTING . making an extreme point.

your list of games is like a single word compared to the games the xbox infinity and the ps4 are going to be having after 6 months of their release


Are you serious? redesigning a cooling system and reattaching wires doesnt count as a console "redesign"


blu ray drive prices did drop by that amount. 599~799$ was the price of the standalone bluray drive. cbe fabrication shifted to a smaller process reducing costs and also reducing cooling costs.

No wonder valve sucks, day by day.

every nintendo fp is being milked, mario kart specially. What proof do you want? it is not as if mario kart has changed over the years.

its like coke, been around for 60 years doesnt even taste the same but still sells and every 2-3 years you get a new product like vanilla coke and cherry coke and ...orange coke. Its not so hard to understand

you should look up your facts. :lol:

from PS3 Phat to PS3 Slim
Reduction of 4 USB 2.0 to 2 USB 2.0 ports
Removal of flash card reader
Removal of PS2 BC
Cell processor moved to 45 nm manufacturing process.RSX moved to 40 nm manufacturing process
less power draw due to above mentioned reason.

thats enough changes to be called a redesign.
 

NoasArcAngel

Wise Old Owl
from PS3 Phat to PS3 Slim
Reduction of 4 USB 2.0 to 2 USB 2.0 ports
Removal of flash card reader
Removal of PS2 BC
Cell processor moved to 45 nm manufacturing process.RSX moved to 40 nm manufacturing process
less power draw due to above mentioned reason.

thats enough changes to be called a redesign.

no thats not redesign.

you just removed some stuff.

move to a smaller fabrication is not because of saving $$, its because its a necessity. If you dont know how semiconductor fabrications work then dont argue on this.
 

CommanderShawnzer

Steam High Templar
1.no thats not redesign.

you just removed some stuff.
2.move to a smaller fabrication is not because of saving $$, its because its a necessity. If you dont know how semiconductor fabrications work then dont argue on this.


1.Says who?Give me a definition of console redesign.(with a source)
2.I never said anything about moving to a smaller manufacturing process is to save dollars :lol:
 
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vickybat

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
from PS3 Phat to PS3 Slim
Reduction of 4 USB 2.0 to 2 USB 2.0 ports
Removal of flash card reader
Removal of PS2 BC
Cell processor moved to 45 nm manufacturing process.RSX moved to 40 nm manufacturing process
less power draw due to above mentioned reason.

thats enough changes to be called a redesign.

It wasn't a redesign mate. You define redesign if the changes impact the overall outcome or result. The ps3 is more or less the same gaming device before and after. Removal of usb controllers
and lesser fab designs doesn't account for a redesign. You can say it was more like a cosmetic redesign with improved stability. But no performance enhancements. Going to a lower fab was indeed a necessity because manufacturing processes allowed it for the better. The slims were actually even less prone to defects. It cannot be called a redesign in a broad sense. :)
 

CommanderShawnzer

Steam High Templar
It wasn't a redesign mate. You define redesign if the changes impact the overall outcome or result. The ps3 is more or less the same gaming device before and after. Removal of usb controllers
and lesser fab designs doesn't account for a redesign. You can say it was more like a cosmetic redesign with improved stability. But no performance enhancements. Going to a lower fab was indeed a necessity because manufacturing processes allowed it for the better. The slims were actually even less prone to defects. It cannot be called a redesign in a broad sense. :)

But then.Which console does give performance enhancements?With an improved version? so,what is the word used for improved versions of consoles like xbox 360 S,Ps3 Slim,ps2 Slim?
 

NoasArcAngel

Wise Old Owl
But then.Which console does give performance enhancements?With an improved version? so,what is the word used for improved versions of consoles like xbox 360 S,Ps3 Slim,ps2 Slim?

no console gives performance improvements with an improved version. Its just that it has lower power draw and lower heat alongwith improved longevity.

there is no word, its just called SKU's.

Hardware revisions are neccesity for consoles be it, wii, psp, ps2, ps3, or xbox 360. this allows manufacturers to cut costs and at the same time allow for better pricing and improved features or characteristics.

It wasn't a redesign mate. You define redesign if the changes impact the overall outcome or result. The ps3 is more or less the same gaming device before and after. Removal of usb controllers
and lesser fab designs doesn't account for a redesign. You can say it was more like a cosmetic redesign with improved stability. But no performance enhancements. Going to a lower fab was indeed a necessity because manufacturing processes allowed it for the better. The slims were actually even less prone to defects. It cannot be called a redesign in a broad sense. :)

thanks for that explanation.+1 :)

People think if the playstation was painted red, it just got redesigned. ;)

1.Says who?Give me a definition of console redesign.(with a source)
2.I never said anything about moving to a smaller manufacturing process is to save dollars :lol:

if the ps3 cbe did not move to a smaller fabrication then the ps3 would cease to exist. as simple as that.
 

heidi2521

Padawan
the last time i checked, typing in caps MEANS YOU ARE SHOUTING . making an extreme point.

your list of games is like a single word compared to the games the xbox infinity and the ps4 are going to be having after 6 months of their release


Are you serious? redesigning a cooling system and reattaching wires doesnt count as a console "redesign"


blu ray drive prices did drop by that amount. 599~799$ was the price of the standalone bluray drive. cbe fabrication shifted to a smaller process reducing costs and also reducing cooling costs.

No wonder valve sucks, day by day.

every nintendo fp is being milked, mario kart specially. What proof do you want? it is not as if mario kart has changed over the years.

its like coke, been around for 60 years doesnt even taste the same but still sells and every 2-3 years you get a new product like vanilla coke and cherry coke and ...orange coke. Its not so hard to understand

you should look up your facts. :lol:

You forget that the PS3 BD was produced on a much larger scale and that normal blu-ray players included costs other than the drive itself, licensing fees paid to Sony and a big phat profit margin.

Mario Kart has not changed?

Mario Kart changes with every iteration and comes once every console generation. This does not count as milking. And are you seriously claiming every fp Nintendo franchise has been milked? 3 games in 27 years, each differing from the previous is milking for you?

The likes of Fifa & Call of Duty are being milked because they bring minimal changes to the game play with each iteration and come every year. They are essentially just new map packs and rosters, not a new game in its entirety. Mario Kart OTOH, changes a fair bit with every iteration and comes once per console. That does not count as milking.

Verb
redesign (third-person singular simple present redesigns, present participle redesigning, simple past and past participle redesigned)
To lay out or plan a new version of something previously laid out or planned.

The PS3 slim definitely fits the definition.

Edit: The Source: *en.wiktionary.org/wiki/redesign
 

NoasArcAngel

Wise Old Owl
You forget that the PS3 BD was produced on a much larger scale and that normal blu-ray players included costs other than the drive itself, licensing fees paid to Sony and a big phat profit margin.

Mario Kart has not changed?

Mario Kart changes with every iteration and comes once every console generation. This does not count as milking. And are you seriously claiming every fp Nintendo franchise has been milked? 3 games in 27 years, each differing from the previous is milking for you?

The likes of Fifa & Call of Duty are being milked because they bring minimal changes to the game play with each iteration and come every year. They are essentially just new map packs and rosters, not a new game in its entirety. Mario Kart OTOH, changes a fair bit with every iteration and comes once per console. That does not count as milking.



The PS3 slim definitely fits the definition.

Edit: The Source: redesign - Wiktionary


So? point being that costs dropped.

Not changed.

How does it change a fair bit? For a nintendo fanboy ( i hope you take no offence in being called one ) mario kart changes just as much as call of duty or FIFA does.

for gods sake, this is a technical debate. dont bring in literal meaning of words here.

and even according to that definition the ps3 did not undergo a redesign because :

To lay out or plan a new version of something previously laid out or planned.

planned : play games
after your so called redesign : still play games.
 

gagan_kumar

Wise Old Owl
no console gives performance improvements with an improved version. Its just that it has lower power draw and lower heat alongwith improved longevity.

there is no word, its just called SKU's.

Hardware revisions are neccesity for consoles be it, wii, psp, ps2, ps3, or xbox 360. this allows manufacturers to cut costs and at the same time allow for better pricing and improved features or characteristics.



thanks for that explanation.+1 :)

People think if the playstation was painted red, it just got redesigned. ;)



if the ps3 cbe did not move to a smaller fabrication then the ps3 would cease to exist. as simple as that.
lol dude srsly u want like gr8 things in small packages??????
 

heidi2521

Padawan
So? point being that costs dropped.

Not changed.

How does it change a fair bit? For a nintendo fanboy ( i hope you take no offence in being called one ) mario kart changes just as much as call of duty or FIFA does.

for gods sake, this is a technical debate. dont bring in literal meaning of words here.

and even according to that definition the ps3 did not undergo a redesign because :

To lay out or plan a new version of something previously laid out or planned.

planned : play games
after your so called redesign : still play games.

Point being that sony did not drop the price to reduce costs to customers, but to bail the console out.

The major changes I can think of the top of my head:

7: Added gliders and underwater racing.
Wii: Online multiplayer, new control scheme, more rebalancing, improved AI.
DS: Battle Mode, Item rebalancing.
DD: Co-op gameplay
SS: Essentially SMK with new tracks and the features of 64
64: Elevation, analog controls new kinds of tracks, refined items.
SMK: The Original

9 Nintendo platforms since SMK (excluding the Virtual Boy) and 7 games.

If this is milking for you then so is Tekken.

Wait, are you trying to say we should use figurative definitions of words in a Technical debate?

You are truly showing your english comprehension skills with this part:

and even according to that definition the ps3 did not undergo a redesign because :

To lay out or plan a new version of something previously laid out or planned.

planned : play games
after your so called redesign : still play games.

Look at bold. The slim is a new version of the PS3 fat. Do note the feature changes mentioned by CommanderShawnzer.
 
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Extreme Gamer

僕はガンダム!
Vendor
So? point being that costs dropped. You said that the PS3 wasn't redesigned. Now you're saying, "So what? It's a cheaper product!" Suddenly the redesign arguement never existed in the first place!

Not changed. Yeah, not changed- redesigned, lol.

How does it change a fair bit? For a nintendo fanboy ( i hope you take no offence in being called one ) mario kart changes just as much as call of duty or FIFA does. Read post #1899195.

for gods sake, this is a technical debate. dont bring in literal meaning of words here. A technical debate uses every word technical word in the literal sense unless otherwise clarified.

and even according to that definition the ps3 did not undergo a redesign because :

To lay out or plan a new version of something previously laid out or planned. The whole PCB was redesigned to take advantage of a die shrink, less USB ports, and the redundant circuitry for the EE+GS chip was removed. That is enough to call it a redesign. Also, it did add a new feature called "Bravia Sync", which surprisingly, works even with my 22" Samsung TV, lol.

planned : play games
after your so called redesign : still play games. So according to you, a redesign should always do more than the previous version? Fine, it does have Bravia Sync, as mentioned above. But it does not always have to do something new, it can also drop features- for instance, it removed PS2 support, which the first two SKUs of the fat model had and linux support, which the fat model had until sony removed it. And a redesign can also be aesthetic, as can be seen in the Slim->SuperSlim redesign.

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It seems that after failing to succesfully debate the dreamcasting of the Wii U, you've resorted to derailing the thread about how Nintendo milks franchises and whether sony consoles were redesigned or not.
 
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vickybat

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
Desperate times for nintendo.

Nintendo Offering Conversion Software to Mobile App Devs?

Is this a valid move or an act of desperation?
 

heidi2521

Padawan
Desperate times for nintendo.

Nintendo Offering Conversion Software to Mobile App Devs?

Is this a valid move or an act of desperation?

They had announced this at and around GDC 13 so this is old news. IIRC They even demoed the Nintendo Web Framework and Xcode conversion at that time. So this is certainly not a sudden act of desperation. Wii U sales crashed in January and 3 months of time isn't enough to prepare this kind of thing and have it ready for a live demo.

They must have been working on it since launch at least. So this is not a move of desperation.

The Wii U may be struggling but times are certainly not desperate for Nintendo itself.
 

NoasArcAngel

Wise Old Owl
Point being that sony did not drop the price to reduce costs to customers, but to bail the console out.

The major changes I can think of the top of my head:

7: Added gliders and underwater racing.
Wii: Online multiplayer, new control scheme, more rebalancing, improved AI.
DS: Battle Mode, Item rebalancing.
DD: Co-op gameplay
SS: Essentially SMK with new tracks and the features of 64
64: Elevation, analog controls new kinds of tracks, refined items.
SMK: The Original


9 Nintendo platforms since SMK (excluding the Virtual Boy) and 7 games.

If this is milking for you then so is Tekken.

Wait, are you trying to say we should use figurative definitions of words in a Technical debate?

You are truly showing your english comprehension skills with this part:



Look at bold. The slim is a new version of the PS3 fat. Do note the feature changes mentioned by CommanderShawnzer.

wow so much new... so basically nintendo has been trolling all of you by not releasing all the important features of mario kart in a single release. They have been charging you like EA and activision for Map packs, in fact even more

psst. even call of duty has snowmobiles ;)

Words like these dont sound cute when they come out from your mouth. nor does hardcore :lol:

oh yes, tekken is milking no doubt about it.

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It seems that after failing to succesfully debate the dreamcasting of the Wii U, you've resorted to derailing the thread about how Nintendo milks franchises and whether sony consoles were redesigned or not.

stop replying in the quote itself.

Dead5, your brothers english comprehension and even your common sense is that of a 5 year old.

I never said that the ps3 was not redesigned. Making cosmetic changes like removal of usb ports and flash memory cards does not count as a redesign. Get out of nintendoland guys.

There is not a redesign because :

1. Core components of the ps3 were not changed

a. blu ray drive
b. xdr ram
c. cbe
d. rsx gpu
e. architecture.

if they had shifted from cbe to powerpc or to x86 then yes.

So yes if sony keeps on putting the playstation hardware in a much more fancy box does not mean that it got redesigned.

to keep up with the manufacturing, and technical advancements obviously they had to use a smaller fabrication and use a more compact motherboard. This is called as hardware revision, not redesign.

This way from the ps1 , ps2 , psp , ps3 , xbox 360 every console has had hardware revision even including wii

im not derailing, im putting the rails to show that wii-u has been dreamcasted.

They had announced this at and around GDC 13 so this is old news. IIRC They even demoed the Nintendo Web Framework and Xcode conversion at that time. So this is certainly not a sudden act of desperation. Wii U sales crashed in January and 3 months of time isn't enough to prepare this kind of thing and have it ready for a live demo.

They must have been working on it since launch at least. So this is not a move of desperation.

The Wii U may be struggling but times are certainly not desperate for Nintendo itself.

there is some hope for this thread now.

And this is clearly doom time for nintendo.

Wiiu has been cracked or is almost there. A company which makes its sales primarily on software sales and not hardware is facing a piracy issue on its console which isnt even cheap and hasnt even sold. So im guessing that nintendo is trying as hard as possible to support it financially for some time and then they are going to abandon it like gamecube.

dead5 is a software dev, extreme gamer is a script kiddie gamer. I dont think both of you even qualify for a technical debate specially that on consoles.

Wii - U has been dreamcasted. The longer nintendo stays on this boat the higher the risk for their survival in the future.

this just in :

battlefield which sold a record 9 million is not coming to wii u

*www.vg247.com/2013/03/27/battlefield-4-skipping-wii-u-to-avoid-risks-says-dice/

now we are going to get mobile games on the wii u . Epic. Nintendo porting mobile games to the wii u .

can i get to play mario look alike on the Wii u ? it will be awesome.

Why i should i buy a wii u ?

1. no games
2. old hardware
3. low availability
4. selling a tablet pc with a resistive touchscreen and without a keyboard from the 2000's in 2013 for the ultimate second screen experience
5. dead online community
6. no games
7. no games

amazon drops wii-u price to 149 pounds. Omg lol

*www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/jetse...dramatic-nintendo-wii-u-price-drop-in-the-uk/

if i have to play mobile games on the wii-u, id rather buy the lg nexus 4. Even though it will cost me 2 times it will be worth it. Atleast i get a capacitative touch screen
 
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heidi2521

Padawan
wow so much new... so basically nintendo has been trolling all of you by not releasing all the important features of mario kart in a single release. They have been charging you like EA and activision for Map packs, in fact even more

psst. even call of duty has snowmobiles ;)

Are you trying to say that they should have included features they had not developed/not technically possible should have been included in the original release? Or maybe they should have waited until they would make the last mario kart and include all incorporated all the features they developed and the changes they made based on critic and community feedback in that release? The difference with COD and MK is the snowmobiles feel no different while gliding/underwater does. And that whenever they introduce new things like the wing suit in BLOPS2 it is there for like 5 mins in the campaign and are forgotten about after that with no changes at all in the core of the gameplay.

Words like these dont sound cute when they come out from your mouth. nor does hardcore :lol:

oh yes, tekken is milking no doubt about it.

In that case so is almost every major fighting franchise like BlazBlue and Guilty Gear(SF is being milked. Thats about it), The GTA games, much of the Total War franchise, Monster Hunter etc.

stop replying in the quote itself.

Dead5, your brothers english comprehension and even your common sense is that of a 5 year old.

I never said that the ps3 was not redesigned. Making cosmetic changes like removal of usb ports and flash memory cards does not count as a redesign. Get out of nintendoland guys.

no thats not redesign.

What does this mean then?

Read EGs comment. There weren't just cosmetic changes. Plus removal of I/O is not a cosmetic change.

There is not a redesign because :

1. Core components of the ps3 were not changed

a. blu ray drive
b. xdr ram
c. cbe
d. rsx gpu
e. architecture.

if they had shifted from cbe to powerpc or to x86 then yes.

So yes if sony keeps on putting the playstation hardware in a much more fancy box does not mean that it got redesigned.

You have a house. You get its walls remade in different positions, get repainted, get it refurnished and redecorated while using the same kinds of bricks and doors and windows and furniture. In short you get the house redesigned.

Function before: Housing people
Function after: Housing people

Core components before and after remain the same too. But that does not mean it has not been redesigned.




to keep up with the manufacturing, and technical advancements obviously they had to use a smaller fabrication and use a more compact motherboard. This is called as hardware revision, not redesign.

Hardware revisions can be accompanied by redesigns. If it looks the same, has the same internal schematics and has the exact same functionality then it is just a hardware revision. If it changes any of those(or all in PS3 slims case) then it is a redesign



This way from the ps1 , ps2 , psp , ps3 , xbox 360 every console has had hardware revision even including wii

Yes and all of them had redesigns too. PS -> PSOne, PS2 -> PS2 Slim, PS3 -> PS3 Slim, Xbox 360 Elite -> Xbox 360 S, Wii -> Wii Mini


im not derailing, im putting the rails to show that wii-u has been dreamcasted.



there is some hope for this thread now.

And this is clearly doom time for nintendo.

[SARCASM]Obviously. It is doom time for a company which has just come off a ultra high streak of successful consoles, has $10bn in the bank, has a console that is a runaway success in Japan, a good success in Europe and a great success in North America, has no debt, some of the worlds most powerful brand names and franchises(intellectual properties) and sits on a multi billion dollar media franchise spanning anime, manga, music, video games, model kits, toys and more. [/SARCASM]


Wiiu has been cracked or is almost there. A company which makes its sales primarily on software sales and not hardware is facing a piracy issue on its console which isnt even cheap and hasnt even sold. So im guessing that nintendo is trying as hard as possible to support it financially for some time and then they are going to abandon it like gamecube.

Nintendo abandoned the gamecube? Which planet are you living on? They supported the console till is EOL when they released the Wii. The crack is a modchip that can be rendered useless easily with a system update. So far we have seen dumped games, not games running on it. The first X360 modchips came out in mid 2006 too. 3DS games were dumped long ago, yet nobody is able to play them. By virtue of being a modchip(and not a solder free one at that) it is inaccessible to most consumers any way.


dead5 is a software dev, extreme gamer is a script kiddie gamer. I dont think both of you even qualify for a technical debate specially that on consoles.

*yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem


Wii - U has been dreamcasted. The longer nintendo stays on this boat the higher the risk for their survival in the future.

With the Dreamcast Sega was coming off a string of failed consoles who had all turned losses, not a massively successful one whose predecessors were also profitable for the company. Sega's intellectual properties were nowhere as strong a Nintendos, neither was the company known for the amount of effort or polish put into its titles. Sega was extremely close to bankruptcy and had a lot of debt. If you actually read up, you will realize that the Dreamcast had quite a good launch and sold fairly well in the first year. The console failed because it failed to turn a profit quickly enough. Had Sega the money to support the Dreamcast a while longer it would have ended up being profitable for them. Sega did not sit on top of massive media franchises or have $10bn in the bank. I fail to see the parallel between Nintendo/Wii U's current situation and Sega/ The Dreamcast's situation.

this just in :

battlefield which sold a record 9 million is not coming to wii u

Battlefield 4 skipping Wii U to avoid risks, says DICE | VG247


And Final Fantasy did not come to the N64 and GTA did not come to the Gamecube. This was not enough to dreamcast them, when Nintendo's position was worse. So no BF wont dreamcast the Wii U


now we are going to get mobile games on the wii u . Epic. Nintendo porting mobile games to the wii u .

can i get to play mario look alike on the Wii u ? it will be awesome.


Nintendo is enabling devs to port their games to the Wii U, not porting it themselves, so there will be no shitty Mario knockoffs on the e-shop. The curation process is still there.


Why i should i buy a wii u ?

1. no games
2. old hardware
3. low availability
4. selling a tablet pc with a resistive touchscreen and without a keyboard from the 2000's in 2013 for the ultimate second screen experience
5. dead online community
6. no games
7. no games


There are games right now and according to rumours(and as indicated by their financial report) a Nintendo Blitzkrieg is planned soon after Pikmin 3.

The hardware is not old. Saying that the Wii U has old hardware makes as much sense as saying that the SGS4 has old hardware.

It is certainly available in most game stores and big box retailers and online retailers.

The gamepad does have a keyboard which pops up when you need to type.

The gamepad is not a tablet PC. It is a tablet controller.

Resistive touchscreens are better for the kind of games on the Wii U because the are much more accurate and you don't need multitouch. You wouldn't want to end up using an antidote instead of a mega potion when a Lagiarcus is charging at you. You wouldn't want to pop the spike right next to the one you want to pop in Balloon Trip Breeze and thus pop a balloon or hit the wrong block/enemy in Pikmin Adventure, getting yourself knocked out.

The online community is anything but dead. This forum has less activity than Miiverse, yet it is not considered dead.

There are games right now and according to rumours(and as indicated by their financial report) a Nintendo Blitzkrieg is planned soon after Pikmin 3.

There are games right now and according to rumours(and as indicated by their financial report) a Nintendo Blitzkrieg is planned soon after Pikmin 3.




amazon drops wii-u price to 149 pounds. Omg lol



Jetsetter: A dramatic Nintendo Wii U price drop | Digital Trends

They brought the price down after they had marked it up a lot expecting a high demand because NOE didn't set a MSRP. Nothing surprising. And that is just the basic model. The premium model which comprises of most of the Wii U sales is still at 289


if i have to play mobile games on the wii-u, id rather buy the lg nexus 4. Even though it will cost me 2 times it will be worth it. Atleast i get a capacitative touch screen

The framework is meant to attract mobile game devs, not just to port mobile games over. Plus, the only practical use of multitouch in smartphones is pinch to zoom which is more than adequately substituted by the analog sticks on the gamepad. The resistive touchscreen is superior in every way possible when used for games. A person buys a Wii U for the awesome games Nintendo puts out/will put out on it and the niche exclusives they get. Mobile games will just be an additional feature.



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FYI, the Wii U is already profitable per unit sold.
 
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vickybat

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
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FYI, the Wii U is already profitable per unit sold.

There aren't much units sold. That is the problem.
That's the reason why people think its gonna be dreamcasted. The blitzkrieg titles Nintendo has planned isn't targeted at a major group worldwide but japan only.
I doubt games like pikmin 3 will take off the same way in this generation like before. Nintendo should target the mainstream audience. Battlefield was an important franchise that nintendo lost. They are aware of it.

Same will happen with a lot of upcoming third party titles. The real threat for nintendo are also indie developers. The kind of games nintendo makes are being matched by indie devs that microsoft and sony are pushing so much ( especially sony). That is more than enough to draw the casual crowd.

I often think you are the only one who thinks so positive about nintendo. Well that's a good thing for a loyal fan but i fail to find anything positive about this console in the web or anywhere.
There are just too many loose ends tied with this console.

Hope this does some good to nintendo's sales.

Pikmin 3 Preview

Isn't this targeted towards a casual audience?
 
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heidi2521

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There aren't much units sold. That is the problem.
That's the reason why people think its gonna be dreamcasted. The blitzkrieg titles Nintendo has planned isn't targeted at a major group worldwide but japan only.
I doubt games like pikmin 3 will take off the same way in this generation like before. Nintendo should target the mainstream audience. Battlefield was an important franchise that nintendo lost. They are aware of it.

Same will happen with a lot of upcoming third party titles. The real threat for nintendo are also indie developers. The kind of games nintendo makes are being matched by indie devs that microsoft and sony are pushing so much ( especially sony). That is more than enough to draw the casual crowd.

I often think you are the only one who thinks so positive about nintendo. Well that's a good thing for a loyal fan but i fail to find anything positive about this console in the web or anywhere.
There are just too many loose ends tied with this console.

You are mistaken if you think that the blitzkrieg is for Japan only. Super Mario 3D, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros., Pikmin, The Legend of Zelda and the like are quite popular in the west. Retro Studios is an american developer whose games sell well in (you guessed it) America and to some extent europe, but don't gain much traction Japan. The only major game that seems to be Japan focused appears to be Monolith Soft's X. According to sales data Shin Megami Tensei and Fire Emblem are slowly becoming more and more popular in the west, with explosive sales of Fire Emblem: Awakening, so I'd be reluctant to classify SMTXFE as a Japan only or as western focused. Bayonetta is another one that well in the west and Japan. Most of their games also target Japan, but they are not Japan focused. JRPGs have become big in europe, especially in France so X also helps there.

I am not saying Battlefield isn't important. My point is that Nintendo consoles have never had explosive third party support since the SNES and many a major franchises have skipped the console without Dreamcasting them.

Many indie developers share the gameplay focused philosophies and ideas with Nintendo, but they are nowhere close to matching the kind of games Nintendo makes. You have no Indie Skyward Sword like, no Super Mario 3D Land like, no Luigi's Mansion like etc. The main problem is that indies lack the reach and resources (and platform access) that Nintendo has.

Frankly, thats why you see quite a few indie devs like Two Tribes, Shin'en Multimedia and Frozenbyte are supportive of the e-shop and that is why Nintendo is taking steps to court them.

I am certainly not the only one who loves his console and thinks that in the long term it will be fine.

Eg:

Wii U Satisfaction Thread - NeoGAF

I happen to think that the Wii U will manage turn a good profit for Nintendo in the long term even though it won't be as popular as the western consoles primarily because of the insane attach rate Nintendo games have on their consoles and because of the fact that the price of the touchscreen, the most expensive part of the console, is dropping rapidly, while the 3DS rakes in massive amounts of cash and they continue earning the pokemon and merchandising dollars they have been since the 90's.

The main problem with the Wii U is that Nintendo's long burn policies are biting it in ze arsch. It is not selling well because there are no proper Nintendo games released on it since launch and no major one is coming until August. And as historical data has shown, Nintendo console sales spike sharply with their releases and sell based on them. They revealed their hand too early at E3 2011 allowing M$ony to one up them. Because of that, they are keeping all their pieces close to their heart this time.

It makes no sense for Nintendo to target the Dudebros like M$ony do because they do not have the resources to participate in a pissing contest to please them and not a single section of their fanbase is comprised of them and abandoning that fanbase would be extremely stupid, lest they fail in capturing the market. What makes Nintendo's games special is the awesome gameplay, art direction and music they have, which dudebros don't really care about and would rather go for a game that says "BLOODY SCREEN. SO REAL!!!" and happen to think "safe for children to play" == "adults can't enjoy this kind of game". Nintendo makes quite a few cinematic games, but no movie games which is also demanded by that audience.

I don't think that Pikmin 3 is going to be the saving grace of the Wii U, but it does mark the start and provide backup. You would want to get the sales to move a little at least before you drop something like 3D Mario or Mario Kart you know. They will probably have a mega seller like SM/MK/SSB/TLoZ every month/every other month and have titles like Pikmin, Bayonetta, The Wonderful 101, X etc. fill out the spaces in between. If they do manage to do this and market the consoles and its games properly, it should perform better than the gamecube at least.

Nintendo(and by extension the Wii U) is not doomed any time soon because they are in a good position right now as a company and because their policies ensure that their brands don't become giant jokes like Final Fantasy and Crash Bandicoot and that they continue to sell well.

Hope this does some good to nintendo's sales.

Pikmin 3 Preview

Isn't this targeted towards a casual audience?

I don't think casual would be the right word. It is a semi-casual RTS (And RTSs are very hardcore). I wouldn't call this casual because you do need a fair amount of skill to get Olimar to the ship. The controls are simple and easy, but you need time and skill to get things done, something which isn't required for casual games.

Although not a "hardcore" game by any definition, the term "casual" doesn't do it any justice either. It lacks major features of casual games like being suited to short gameplay sessions, being pick up and play, can be played by anyone, from the age of 5 - 105 etc. After you get past the tutorial levels you need a fair amount of skill to proceed. Randomly chucking Pikmin won't get you anywhere. You need to be able to quickly choose and react to the environment and enemies and make sure you don't send too many or too little Pikmin for one task and manage them carefully so that they don't get killed and you don't face a Pikmin shortage. It is stuck in the same category as Flower or Journey in terms of "hardcoreness".
 
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^^ Ok fair points. Lets see if these really turn out to be true. Actually another problem is m$ony aren't targeting dudebro gamers only.
They are in nintendo's territory too and not just from an indie perspective but FP. I'm not gonna bring littlebigplanet this time but:

Knack

Knack Is The First Announced PlayStation 4 Game. Here's Some Footage.

This came to my mind since you mentioned crash bandicot.

Talk about JRPG''s, sony seems to be having huge plans on that with its ps4 and busy with FP developments probably in its japan studios.
There already was ni-no kuni by namco in ps3.

Making the PS4 a Success (Part 1): A First-Party JRPG Studio

PS4 title from Level-5 currently “in the planning stages”

If sony successfully bags a decent developer and goes after jrpg fanbase ( i think it can do), what happens to Nintendo after that.
Do you think Nintendo can handle diversity of this level?

What happens when final fantasy is Resurrected and enjoys its earlier position? Square enix has already developed a brand new engine and probably touting another final fantasy.
 
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