Why Security Pros Use Macs

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Eddie , don't make such lame attempts to save yourself .
you have seen in the screenshot , MS does provide the COde to be compiled { there's a tick on debug } now if you can't even nuderstand plain simple language then it's not my fault .

Well here's the Whole Ms-RL License for you .

Microsoft Reference License (Ms-RL)
Published: March 8, 2007

This license governs use of the accompanying software. If you use the software, you accept this license. If you do not accept the license, do not use the software.
1. Definitions

The terms "reproduce," "reproduction" and "distribution" have the same meaning here as under U.S. copyright law.

"You" means the licensee of the software.

"Your company" means the company you worked for when you downloaded the software.

"Reference use" means use of the software within your company as a reference, in read only form, for the sole purposes of debugging your products, maintaining your products, or enhancing the interoperability of your products with the software, and specifically excludes the right to distribute the software outside of your company.

"Licensed patents" means any Licensor patent claims which read directly on the software as distributed by the Licensor under this license.

2. Grant of Rights

(A) Copyright Grant- Subject to the terms of this license, the Licensor grants you a non-transferable, non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free copyright license to reproduce the software for reference use.

(B) Patent Grant- Subject to the terms of this license, the Licensor grants you a non-transferable, non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free patent license under licensed patents for reference use.

3. Limitations

(A) No Trademark License- This license does not grant you any rights to use the Licensor’s name, logo, or trademarks.

(B) If you begin patent litigation against the Licensor over patents that you think may apply to the software (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit), your license to the software ends automatically.

(C) The software is licensed "as-is." You bear the risk of using it. The Licensor gives no express warranties, guarantees or conditions. You may have additional consumer rights under your local laws which this license cannot change. To the extent permitted under your local laws, the Licensor excludes the implied warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose and non-infringement.

It doesn't even mention the word compile once

 

[eddie]

Eddie , don't make such lame attempts to save yourself .

LOL!!! Good one...I actually love to see monkey acts. You are amusing me pretty well

you have seen in the screenshot , MS does provide the COde to be compiled { there's a tick on debug } now if you can't even nuderstand plain simple language then it's not my fault .

Yes and we did see the code being provided for compiling in 3rd screenshot..."PowerToys"...That is Windows Kernel...right? A person who spells "understand" as "nuderstand" is trying to give me English lessons!

Well here's the Whole Ms-RL License for you . It doesn't even mention the word compile once

Yes but it does mention this...

"Reference use" means use of the software within your company as a reference, in read only form, for the sole purposes of debugging your products, maintaining your products, or enhancing the interoperability of your products

Everything related to the products of the company...not Windows source code! Now do you [sarcasm]"nuderstand"[/sarcasm]?

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Yes and we did see the code being provided for compiling in 3rd screenshot..."PowerToys"...That is Windows Kernel...right?

well you saw the second screenshot , MS does provide the windows Source code under the ESLP program n many other programs , enuf said , it's hard to get something into people who can't think with an open mind .

 

[eddie]

well you saw the second screenshot , MS does provide the windows Source code under the ESLP program n many other programs , enuf said , it's hard to get something into people who can't think with an open mind .

Yes and it is even harder to get something into people who don't understand what "license" means.

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Yes and it is even harder to get something into people who don't understand what "license" means.

btw , although MS does allow it's code to be debugged , my point is that in case even if MS doesn't allow you to compile the code it isn't ny problem coz you already have the compiled code in the form of your copy of the Operating system , so you can understand the code and debug from the compiled windows binaries .

 

[eddie]

you already have the compiled code in the form of your copy of the Operating system

Do you even know why this all discussion started in first place? It started because a fellow forum user was saying that Windows source code can be audited in just the way Open Source can...and I have proved that it cannot be...because you just cannot make sure whether the source is even complete or not.

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

well you CAN audit windows source code , but you have to send microsoft the changes you've made and when it is approved it will be added into the Windows Code .
Also how do you knw that the code provided to you is not complete ? If you can't trust such huge and succesful prginizations as Microsoft then who can you ?

 

[eddie]

well you CAN audit windows source code

Yeah...without knowing how much more is there to it.

Also how do you knw that the code provided to you is not complete ?

I don't know and no one can know until the license restrictions are lifted and people be allowed to compile the source code to get working binaries.

If you can't trust such huge and succesful prginizations as Microsoft then who can you ?

Don't make me laugh...
Microsoft and trust don't come in the same sentence until the word trust is prefixed by anti and I am not alone. IIRC there was a study done a few years ago which showed that most of the IT experts didn't trust Microsoft and I don't see any reasons why the situation should change.