Why Security Pros Use Macs

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aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
Why do I insist on using a Mac as my primary work machine? More specifically, why an Intel Core2-based MacBook Pro?

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It's probably not the reason that you think.

Security professionals need not hide behind the argument that avoiding Microsoft Products is the end-all solution to a secure computing environment. Security Professionals have much better reasons, and those were amplified when I talked to other folks at CEIC 2007 over the last few days. I was astounded at the number of Mac laptops that were present. It was easily twice the number from last year.

Here are the reasons:

1) In today's current environment of Windows-specific malware, yes hanging your hat in the OS X corner makes sense. You are less of a target. The malware bad boys are writing their code for Windows. Whether this is because OS X is so secure, or because the miscreants want to capitalize on market share to make their bucks, the argument that using OS X as your primary OS is a smart one today. Security Professionals want to practice what they preach, and this is a pretty decent way of doing so.

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I don't see how any sane and rational human being (and this requirement automatically sieves out certain members of this forum) could possibly have a differing opinion on any point in this article. :)
 

gxsaurav

You gave been GXified
Lets disect the post a bit.

1) In today's current environment of Windows-specific malware, yes hanging your hat in the OS X corner makes sense. You are less of a target. The malware bad boys are writing their code for Windows. Whether this is because OS X is so secure, or because the miscreants want to capitalize on market share to make their bucks, the argument that using OS X as your primary OS is a smart one today. Security Professionals want to practice what they preach, and this is a pretty decent way of doing so.

Yup, we all know that :). Macs are secure just cos they got less number of users & malwares are not targeting this low population. Didn't hackers recently proved that Mac can be hacked.

2) No other platform allows you boot OS X legally for security research and testing. OS X has a rising marketshare, and it *is* relevant to anyone doing forensic work. At CEIC there was an entire presentation on OS X forensics, and it was packed. That same presentation was packed last year. Hmmmm.

Yup, the only legal way it to buy a Macintosh cos El Jobso wants you to use it on his company's computer not just any equal performing computer which you can buy out there dirt cheap. Also it depends on what application you use.

3) Parallels. ..................

Isn't this available for Windows since.,...umm VMWare


4) None of that "Genuine Software Checking Crap". Man, Microsoft really annoyed me with their Genuine Advantage crap. Every time I changed hardware components on my forensic machines, that damn GA would insist that I call MS

Microsoft has no way to find out whether you are using a legit Windows OS or not. Apple has a legit way, it runs only on Apple hardware so to run MacOS X legaly you need to buy a new computer. Why do you guys always forget to mention that ?
Virtual unlimited abundance of software. Want to run EnCase or FTK or WebInspect? Power up your Parallels image.

Again, did someone forgot to mention that Windows has been doing this since...umm VMWare :rolleyes:

My student discount puts a nice dent in the price tag.

Speaks about itself

Try it - you might be surprised. When I whip out that Apple remote control and start clicking through my Keynote slides I usually have to remind the folks in the room to watch the slides and NOT my remote control. (true story)

cool, I think this guy didn't see Acer Ferrari, Sony VAIO, Asus Lambhorgini laptops out there :D
 

kumarmohit

Technomancer
Erm, If this guy is a security 'pro' how come he got a student discount. Mr Jobs I am studying 2 courses in parallel and do some freelancing too. If you can provide a 'student' discount to a security pro, plaese oblige me by sending an Octa-core MacPro with 2 Apple 30 inch cinema displays, A black Mac Book 13 inch (Already have 15 inch laptop, so cut the MacBook Pro) and drop a 80Gig iPod in too.;) @ mini discount of 100%:))
 
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aryayush

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
He explains why he is eligible for student discounts. The least you could have done was actually read the article before posting something.
 

gxsaurav

You gave been GXified
Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, Autodesk all provide student license however it is subcidiced by the college you are in. Like Vancuvar film institute, if you study there you get student license of Photoshop & 3Ds Max, Shake, Final cut at really cheap prices.
 

Desi-Tek.com

In the zone
mac is secure because it is built on bsd kernel with mod and it will always remain secure and 1 more important point it implement FAP file access permission. So again in case if mac will get infected with virus it will need root permission to create any disaster which i don't think any body will give :) . FAP is missing in windows and recently introduced in vista but still it has long way to go
 

kumarmohit

Technomancer
aryayush said:
He explains why he is eligible for student discounts. The least you could have done was actually read the article before posting something.

My mistake, I thought you only gottaa be a student to get the discount!!!
 
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aryayush

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
This post alone makes you a thousand times better than the second poster in this thread. Having the decency to admit that you made a mistake is a great character trait. :)
 

Zeeshan Quireshi

C# Be Sharp !
as GX said , Mac is only secure coz less people use it n hackers target windows . say if Mac share rises to 90% then the situation would be the other way round ;)

Also , an Opearting System is as secure as the usr using it :D
 
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aryayush

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
Zeeshan Quireshi said:
as GX said , Mac is only secure coz less people use it n hackers target windows . say if Mac share rises to 90% then the situation would be the other way round ;)
Doesn't change the fact that it is secure, reasons be damned.

Zeeshan Quireshi said:
Also , an Opearting System is as secure as the usr using it :D
Correction: Windows "is as secure as the usr using it". You can use Mac OS X as you wish to, visit any website, download any file - you'll always be secure.
 

eddie

El mooooo
aryayush said:
Correction: Windows "is as secure as the usr using it". You can use Mac OS X as you wish to, visit any website, download any file - you'll always be secure.
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eggman

I have Yolks not Brains!
Damn!!!Even viruses don't like Macs.....even they hate it.
I had my last hope on viruses........poor mac :))
 

kirangp

The joy Of Wow
I am using Windows Vista as I wish to, visit any website, download any file - I am always secure and I am sure of that;)
 

gxsaurav

You gave been GXified
Damn!!!Even viruses don't like Macs.....even they hate it.
I had my last hope on viruses........poor mac :mrgreen:
:ROFL:

I am using Windows Vista as I wish to, visit any website, download any file - I am always secure and I am sure of that:wink:
You are not the only one bro. No AV here, just a firewall & ad muncher.
 

Sukhdeep Singh

Host4Cheap.org
Lets disect the post a bit.
1) In today's current environment of Windows-specific malware, yes hanging your hat in the OS X corner makes sense. You are less of a target. The malware bad boys are writing their code for Windows. Whether this is because OS X is so secure, or because the miscreants want to capitalize on market share to make their bucks, the argument that using OS X as your primary OS is a smart one today. Security Professionals want to practice what they preach, and this is a pretty decent way of doing so.
Yup, we all know that :). Macs are secure just cos they got less number of users & malwares are not targeting this low population. Didn't hackers recently proved that Mac can be hacked.

Exactly, and same applies to linux
 

praka123

left this forum longback
UNIXen are inherently better and secure.
Linux a Virus Target?

In an article on vnunet.com, two executives of anti-virus firms opined that Linux would be the next virus target. Here are excerpts from the article:
"Of course we will see more and more attacks on Windows, but Linux will be a target because its use is becoming more widespread," said Raimond Genes, European president for antivirus at Trend Micro. "It is a stable OS, but it's not a secure OS." Jack Clarke, European product manager at McAfee, said: "In fact it's probably easier to write a virus for Linux because it's open source and the code is available. So we will be seeing more Linux viruses as the OS becomes more common and popular."
I will be charitable and call these statements "myths" or "misperceptions" rather than other nastier but perhaps more accurate terms. Let's examine and debunk the myths.
Myth: Widespread use equals widespread abuse

This myth goes as follows: Product X (Windows, Outlook, whatever) has more security problems because it is far more widely used than Product Y (Linux, Mutt, whatever).
In fact, the Apache Web server is far more widely used than Microsoft's IIS (Source: Netcraft), but has suffered far fewer security problems (Source: defacement archives).
Update: I have had several comments saying that this survey reveals that Windows computers account for about 50% of Web servers, but that Apache runs more web sites. Some people claim that under this metric, therefore, IIS is more widely used than Apache. Even if I accept these figures, the fact is that the defacement archives show Windows defacements outnumbering non-Windows defacements 62 to 38. From this, I still conclude that the number of vulnerabilities in a piece of software does not necessarily correlate with its popularity.
Myth: Linux is not a secure OS

In fact, no commodity OS is "secure". Security is a process, not a product, as dozens of security experts keep reminding us. Linux does, however, have important security enhancements compared to consumer-level Windows operating systems: File permissions and separate user accounts can greatly mitigate the damage caused by malicious software. If all of the security features built-into Linux are properly configured and enabled, Linux is a highly secure system.
For those who need even more security, the U.S. National Security Agency provides a Security Enhanced Linux distribution which contains advanced security features beyond anything found in Microsoft operating systems.
Myth: It is easier to write viruses if you have the OS source code

I would suggest just the opposite: If source code is widely-available, many organizations with an interest in security (such as the NSA, for example) can audit the code, correct security problems, and feed these corrections back to the main code tree.
Why is it that tens of thousands of viruses exist for closed-source systems like Windows (with several of them actively propagating around the Internet as you read this), while only a handful of pathetic "proof-of-concept" viruses have been written for Linux, and none has propagated to any extent?
Why is it that open-source Apache has a far better security record than closed-source IIS?
Why Linux viruses are unlikely

In order for an e-mail virus to propagate, it must be able to:
  1. Enter the target machine
  2. Execute on the target machine
  3. Propagate itself
Linux makes steps 2 and 3 very difficult.
Social Engineering to Enable Execution

Under Windows, a file is marked as "executable" based on its filename extension (.exe, .com, .scr, etc.) Encoding metadata (like file type) into the file name is a very bad idea and has horrendous security consequences. Encoding metadata in this way allows for the simple-minded social-engineering attacks we see on windows: "Click here for a cool screensaver!!!"
Such an attack under Linux would go like this: "Save this file; open up a shell; enable execute permissions on the file by typing 'chmod a+x filename', and then run it by typing './filename'."
Obviously, the Linux permissions system makes such a social-engineering attack very difficult.
Software Flaws to Enable Execution

Another means by which viruses can execute are by exploiting bugs in e-mail client software. Both Outlook and the various Linux mail clients have had their share of bugs, and this is indeed a risk, even on Linux. However, because of the overwhelming uniformity of Windows desktops, a virus which exploits a software bug in Outlook is far more likely to propagate than one which exploits a software bug on a Linux e-mail client. This is simply because of the huge array of Linux e-mail clients in use. At any given time, only a small portion of all Linux users are vulnerable to e-mail client bugs.
Virus Propagation

To propagate itself, an e-mail virus must re-mail itself to others. On Windows/Outlook, this is simple, because there is a uniform, well-known interface for obtaining address lists and sending e-mail. On Linux, this is harder. There is no uniform way for a virus to read your address book, so a Linux virus would have to work harder to propagate itself.
Linux in the Future

There is a trend under Linux to build complex, rich desktop environments which allow rich interaction between programs. These environments could, if not designed correctly, increase the chances for viruses to execute and propagate. So far, however, the designers of these environments seem to be following sensible design and security procedures. No-one, for example, has built a Linux e-mail client which automatically executes an attachment with just one mouse click.
Challenge to Anti-Virus Companies is Over

My anti-virus challenge, which had been running since 5 December 2001, is now (7 May 2002) over. No-one managed to meet the challenge, although one person came close.
The Challengers

There were five entries in the anti-virus challenge:
  • Entry 1
  • Entry 2
  • Entry 3
  • Entry 4
  • Entry 5 (This one came close)
  • But seriously...
Copyright © 2001 David F. Skoll *www.roaringpenguin.com/about/articles/anti-virus.php


I'd like all windows fanboys to read below article:
"Remote shell trojan". In order to be infected by it you must run a binary infected by it, as root. Most binary Linux software is typically signed by the vendors that produce it, and a quick check of the signature would reveal if the package were changed or not. In addition this "Remote shell trojan" cannot replicate across networks, it cannot send itself out as an email attachment, or hunt for and infect network shares. On the other hand the Code Red worm will infect any NT or 2000 machine that has a default configuration without sufficient security updates (estimates run from 300,000 machines and up were infected by Code Red). While the number of UNIX, and Linux viruses will of course increase, but I doubt we will see the explosion that the Windows world has been suffering in recent years. The argument that "the increasing popularity of Linux (and UNIX in general) will mean more viruses" is correct but only in a limited way. The general usage habits and layout of the system will defeat the majority of viruses quite effectively.

*www.seifried.org/security/index.php/UNIX_and_Viruses
 
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