Why Microsoft should fear Apple -Scot Finnie

[shantanu]

Hey arya!! i just understood a fact.. that even if apple copies its some good thing behind that... just coz its APPLE.. you can never appreciate M$ , coz from your heart you hate M$, and you want personally Apple to be the best, thi reason sometimes becomes so high that your mind cant control your emotions... , that ok it happens sometimes.. but you must think for a second that what ar you saying..

 

[gxsaurav]

The Mac UI uses Aqua right now, which was not GPU accelerated compleately till MacOS X 10.4 which was relesed after Vista showed the features in Longhorn 3xxx build. QuartzGL is still not implemented in Tiger, there is no 2D acceleration of Windows parallel to the monitor screen.

Leave alone Microsoft, show me something like Time Machine made by ANY other company.

No, i will not. You were talking about MS copying Apple features, so I showed it did not. There is no need to bring other companies here.

GDI+ = What is that?

For gods sake, stop using Computers .

Now I hope you don't ask what Aqua, Quartz Extreme & QuartzGL are.

Windows Photo Gallery couldn't have been more similar to iPhoto had it been run through a photocopier - which, come to think of it, it most probably has been.

iPhoto, uses a timeline like Interface & saves images from a particular day as Film rolls, Photo gallery sorts according to EXIF tags & metadate. They are not same from any angle.

But the version in Vista heavily borrows a number of features from iMovie.

Yeah, Adobe Premiere pro 1.0, or Avid Liquid, or Ulead or Virtual dub or numuras other 3rd party application which were relesed long before iMovie & iDVD went to the future to copy the ideas from Apple . Again, talk something which makes sence.

When I launched the program, I thought for a second that it might have been iDVD with a glassy interface. It is exactly the same, though the iDVD has better templates to choose from.

guess what, Roxio Easy media creator (creators of Windows XP CD burning feature) has such UI, functionality since Easy media creator 7, oh wait.....they also went to future to copy from Apple.

The world saw it first on Tiger, two years before Windows.

Yup, kudos to Apple to relese just this small feature in the form of a big $130 new OS.

Oh yeah! Do you have any idea what you are talking about! Why not just go ahead and say that its been there since Windows 3.1? Or even 1.0? Maybe even in DOS!

once in this forum u asked something like this & Nikhil pointed a screenshot like this. Have you forgottten it...does this rings a bell.

*img352.imageshack.us/img352/3899/iconsizeaf4.jpg

Vista is still not the first OS that runs without a BIOS though.

Yes, it is not the first OS. That award does goes to Windows server 2003

Dude, you are not that important. Get over it.

Q - Which Macboys brings me to all threads where I don't even want to post.
A - Arya

You have obviously used neither iDVD, nor iMovie or iPhoto or even a Mac. Why do you keep making things up then!

Same way I can say, that you have not used Windows Vista , stop making up things

One thing which I should tell you, it is neither Apple nor Microsoft which are the real innovators. The real innovators are Independent Software vendors. Software companies like Giant Ant-ispyware or Roxio or Nero or Acronis or Unsanity or Stardock or 3DNA are the real innovators which these OS companies copy or buy.

 

[mediator]

This debate is between windows n Apple. Why do people drag Linux in between, just to make conversation more interesting and the place more happening? And then they dont entertain me and finish the debate with me!

even a child can operate it

With common sense as someone said? On one hand u say windows is most user friendly,reliable and all the qualities in the world and on other u say that while surfing u need to have common sense! When did an average joe and children in particular become that smart?

I hope u wont give a null argument like to disconnect the most basic necessity as internet and then operate!

+ Microsoft made computing easy by windows edition.. 3.1,95,98 2000 , XP

By making users experience crashes/hangups/error screens more than letting them do their urgent/daily tasks? U call it easy life, easy computing? It wud have been better if u had said that MS revolutionised the desktop world.

and how can you say that Linux is better than windows.. tell me the games which runs on Linux and that too just by double clicking the .exe

And u say u have experience with Linux. U dont have exe in linuxes. I'm not much into gaming but played "tremulous" recently. U try to play it tooo and then try to have a serious discussion.

Microsoft makes software for people , not for geeks and PROS...

And for whome is MS-OFFICE and VMWARE for?


Ahh......Its useless actually to debate when they dont entertain u to the end!
So please, I urge not spread ur FUDs unecessarily. Let it be an APPLE n MS discussion.

 

[gxsaurav]

By making users experience crashes/hangups/error screens more than letting them do their urgent/daily tasks? U call it easy life, easy computing? It wud have been better if u had said that MS revolutionised the desktop world.

nope, by giving users an OS which runs on any hardware out there with strong drivers, hardware & software support. With a solid UI with a simple start button with a meaning ful UI (close max min buttons) etc

yo, u r right. keep it till apple, or infact don't keep it at all, this is not fight club

 

[shantanu]

*img338.imageshack.us/img338/78/ohgodwhy7mene5.jpg

(dont accuse me in copyright of this pic) it has been posted before also

 

[mediator]

yo, u r right. keep it till apple, or infact don't keep it at all, this is not fight club

Thats more like it, I hope others creating a FUD storm here will show some maturity!

 

[knight17]

It was in Microsoft's labs even before that.

The world saw it first on Tiger, two years before Windows.

Apple may be an iCon all over the place but the truth will be different if the Linux side just makes a simple move. Everyone knows Apple is building their so called superior operating system on top of Darwin, which was/is an open source project. My question is If Apple is a company that filled with a crowd of software wonder kids from Mars with an IQ greater than 140, why can't they build their own OS.

If any Linux distribution chose to stick with any single hardware configuration, they are the next Mac OS X. The hindrance that Linux is facing all these years is due to getting people understand how to start with it, if they start to bundle it with Dell, with correct drivers and everything, it is always greater than OS X, no one need to configure anything just start working. As the Linux desktop environments continue to make progress I am sure it will happen.

All the Mac fans here, can you tell me is there anything I can't do on my Windows box, but you can on your Mac.

 

[shantanu]

r u saying it to me ... @mediator... you can take my name thats ok..

 

[mediator]

^ Ayila!
Thats more like it...but it is illegal here!

 

[shantanu]

dont worry !! i dont mind.. ok i will surely show the maturity you want.. hehe lol

 

[gxsaurav]

Apple may be an iCon all over the place but the truth will be different if the Linux side just makes a simple move. Everyone knows Apple is building their so called superior operating system on top of Darwin, which was/is an open source project. My question is If Apple is a company that filled with a crowd of software wonder kids from Mars with an IQ greater than 140, why can't they build their own OS.

bang on target, it is already proved so many times that Apple just takes from the freely available GNU Codebase but hardly provides anything back to it. About webkit, here is the thing. OpenSource means very cheap R&D which is almost risk free & also costs less over all, Apple found themselves a good way to save money.

If any Linux distribution chose to stick with any single hardware configuration, they are the next Mac OS X. The hindrance that Linux is facing all these years is due to getting people understand how to start with it, if they start to bundle it with Dell, with correct drivers and everything, it is always greater than OS X, no one need to configure anything just start working. As the Linux desktop environments continue to make progress I am sure it will happen.

Dell is about to bundle linux in there desktops, don't know which version maybe Dell-ubuntu or something like that. But here is the thing, that Linux will be tailor made for the computer or laptop it is coming installed on, maybe even recompiled for it. It will be much faster then other Linux distro's out of the box. Maybe dell will also bundle codecs with it, after all there is no restriction to charge something for Open Source project as long as the code is available to others.

Tieing OS to the hardware is a really bad thing & restricts the users ability to install it on there own hardware configuration.

All the Mac fans here, can you tell me is there anything I can't do on my Windows box, but you can on your Mac.

i know what they will say. "We do not get Virus or malware". Guess what...neither does Linux or Windows Vista (so far)

 

[goobimama]

Heheh...This thread is crazy! Amazing stuff from all sides. Seriously speaking these kinds of threads are the most informative...truth be told.

Love the iCon thing...

And just to add some harmless fuel to the tropical forest fire:
Vista sucks! OS X rulez!!! Down with microsoft!!!

 

[gxsaurav]

Heheh...This thread is crazy! Amazing stuff from all sides. Seriously speaking these kinds of threads are the most informative...truth be told.

yeah, i was laughing when i came to know arya doesn't know what GDI+ is , & when he said MacOS X is using EFI since day 1 while EFI was under construction from 1991

seriously there is a limit of pwnage

And just to add some harmless fuel to the tropical forest fire:
Vista sucks! OS X rulez!!! Down with microsoft!!!

lolz stop doing that. this is not fight club yaar

 

[aryayush]

yeah, i was laughing when i came to know arya doesn't know what GDI+ is , & when he said MacOS X is using EFI since day 1 while EFI was under construction from 1991

seriously there is a limit of pwnage

Ask goobimama whether he knows what GDI+ or EFI is. Ask shantanu_webmaster or any random user here. Out of the thousands of members on this forum, I am sure no more than twenty people know about it.
It is OK. I don't know what GDI+ is. But that does not mean my computer knowledge is in any way, shape or form less than yours. There are things you know and I don't and vice versa.
I am proud of the fact that I at least have the guts to come out and admit that I don't know something.

All the Mac fans here, can you tell me is there anything I can't do on my Windows box, but you can on your Mac.

No, there isn't much. But most of the things that you do on your Windows box can be done much better and in a more intuitive manner on a Mac. It has a more refined user interface.
However, I'll get back to you on this.

i just understood a fact.. that even if apple copies its some good thing behind that... just coz its APPLE.. you can never appreciate M$ , coz from your heart you hate M$

I said that "Microsoft should do the same and it does." It copies from Apple and there is nothing wrong with that. I hate Windows, but not Microsoft.

 

[gxsaurav]

Here is the thing, this is not the first time you have lied & got pwned. Talk about something which makes sence. If Mac can do same thing as windows for some people in simple way, then be it. No need to sing a song or brag about it. Do I brag that Mac doesn't run AutoCAD?

Stop this elitest behaviour of yours. what u do right now are simple things, that alone does't make an OS better.

(online by phone, jogging. Anyone wants Jalebi )

Ask goobimama whether he knows what GDI+ or EFI is. Ask shantanu_webmaster or any random user here

I know they do, now you can confirm it for yourself.

But that does not mean my computer knowledge is in any way, shape or form less than yours.

Right now, if I search on this forum for your posts, 98% will be in Win vs Mac thread or those bashing Windows, or praising Mac. That, combined with the numuras times you were pwned with your attitude & fact list itself proves wether you know about anything other then Mac or not. the problem with Apple is not the OS or hardware, it is the attitude of macboys.

No, there isn't much. But most of the things that you do on your Windows box can be done much better and in a more intuitive manner on a Mac. It has a more refined user interface.

Some people like Aston, some like talisman, some like Windowblinds. It depends on the user. Some find the UI of windows easier (duh....just a start bar) while some find that of GNome better & some find Aqua. It is not that Aqua over Aero will alone make a user do productive things.

I said that "Microsoft should do the same and it does." It copies from Apple and there is nothing wrong with that. I hate Windows, but not Microsoft.

Again, it is proven many times that you are a Windows\MS Anti-fanoby. Stop lieing again, & act mature.

 

[nepcker]

Microsoft makes software for people , not for geeks and PROS... even a child can operate it.. and more than 85% people in world arent mad to buy
windows.. and + Microsoft made computing easy by windows edition.. 3.1,95,98 2000 , XP and now Vista...

"Microsoft makes softwares for geeks, Apple makes software for normal people." That's what I and many many more persons believe. Windows is really hard to use, especially when compared to Mac OS X. You believe Windows is superior because it's the only OS you've ever used. Try Mac OS X Tiger and then say that Windows is more user-friendly. And oh, I haven't seen BIOS since I've made the switch to my mac - when I bought an iBook about five years ago. BIOS is something I've only seen on a PC.

you say Microsoft Copies From MAC, what did they copy a theme.. that you meant to say...

Pretty much very feature of Windows is copied from Mac OS. From the Recycle Bin (Trash) to the Start Menu (Apple Menu), from the Integrated Search in Windows Vista (Spotlight) to the Desktop Gadgets (Widgets). Aero is copied from the Aqua Interface. And oh, Microsoft throws in a few enhancements. Users can adjust the border translucency, for instance. But Vista is still only an OS X clone — and a slightly inferior-looking one, at that. Something like UAC is already there on Mac OS X. But it only pops when you make significant changes on your Mac, not like in Vista when you make any change.

Apple this spring will release OS X version 10.5 with advanced features that will leapfrog the just-released Vista.

While the new Windows has rudimentary data-backup capabilities, for instance, Leopard will include something called Time Machine that will transparently replicate data on a backup drive and allow for point-and-click retrieval of existing files (and even old versions of those files).

It's also important to note that Apple has offered OS X upgrades at roughly yearly intervals during the half-decade that Microsoft has labored on Vista. Apple is an innovation engine; Microsoft, not so much.

Now when Apple releases Mac OS X Leopard, it will leap even farther behind.

and how can you say that Linux is better than windows.. tell me the games which runs on Linux and that too just by double clicking the .exe, no they dont.. you say that windows is copied, give me a PROOF that the works by M$ is copied by macs , it will help me understand that why M$ is such a big company and APPLE isnt.. Dude.. being a FANBOY is very simple.. but the truth wont change by that... anyone will say that M$ is the biggest of all IT sector companies... but you thik its Apple.. Apple is a very good company.. i dont say its not.. but if you coapre it with M$ then it goes way behind it.. 4% is nothing to cover in worlds population...

If APPLES were so good then why they arent 80 % all over the world..

M$ discovered the Pnp Support, an infact

How would a Windows game run on Linux? You can use the emulators.
You can google for more information. You'll find out that all MS does is try to make money off others' innovation.

And as I've said before, market share isn't important. Will you buy anything just because it has more market share.

Apple has more market share in the computer industry than BMW and Mercedes combined have in the automobile industry. But BMW and Mercedes are both respected brands.

The reason why MS has more market share is because of Bill's unique aboilty. He can turn a technologically-failure product into a market success.

 

[gxsaurav]

^^^ thats it. who fed the troll

 

[aryayush]

I am fed up of reading and replying to stupid posts and posters.

Scot Finnie was not paid by Apple to write that article, he did so because he genuinely believes that Apple has a much superior product. And what you guys think of it is highly irrelevent. Intelligent people will read the article and use their brains to figure things out for themselves. Idiots will be stubborn. It is your choice which camp you want to be on.

I had taken a haitus from the digit forum once a year ago but when I bought a Mac, I was surprised to find it so superbly exceed all expectations I ever had from a computer. And when I was here asking for suggestions, only one person suggested me that I should go for a Mac. I returned because I thought I could rectify the situation, convince a few more people to benefit from the Apple experience.

People who are intelligent, like pathiks, took heed of others' suggestions, used their own brains and most importantly, tried out the platform. Even if he does not like it (which is very unlikely), he will at least have the satisfaction of having tried out something new.
The idiots were stuck in their own world and will continue doing so if they take their advice from the wrong sources.
A Mac user generally has used both Windows and Macs (and in most cases, Linux) extensively and is therefore in a far better position to comment on which one is better.

shantanu_webmaster admits that he has never used a Mac but goes on to say that it is not as easy to use as Windows. "I have not tasted it but that pickle is sour!"

And I hope most of you will agree with me when I say this that more than 90% of Mac users are extremely satisfied Mac users and can never entertain the thought of switching to Windows. Can you say the same for Windows? If you are honest, you cannot. That is the reason why most people who are even a little techno savvy at least try Linux. Why? Because there is dissatisfaction.

If a person buys a Mac on my advice, I'll have nothing to gain. He will be the one who will benefit from the decision. So why would I advocate it if I was not hundred percent sure that it is better? Why would I use it myself? Why would Scot Finnie recommend it? Why does Paul Thurrott use Mac OS X as a benchmark in his extensive review of Vista? Read the first post in this thread. And think about it.

Most people who use Windows either have no choice or they think they have no choice. If you have the choice, make sure you make the right one. And since Macs do run Windows and Linux quite perfectly, you have little to lose.

Sayonara!

 

[Pathik]

Pretty much very feature of Windows is copied from Mac OS. From the Recycle Bin (Trash) to the Start Menu (Apple Menu), from the Integrated Search in Windows Vista (Spotlight) to the Desktop Gadgets (Widgets). Aero is copied from the Aqua Interface. And oh, Microsoft throws in a few enhancements. Users can adjust the border translucency, for instance. But Vista is still only an OS X clone — and a slightly inferior-looking one, at that. Something like UAC is already there on Mac OS X. But it only pops when you make significant changes on your Mac, not like in Vista when you make any change.

lol.. reminded me of this...
*www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaIUkwPybtM

 

[shantanu]

first of all !!! a simple windows user will know what is GDI+ (graphics Device interface) and many people say it ( Graphical Device Interface)...

GDI+
With the introduction of windows Xp, GDI was deprecated in favor of its successor, the C++ based GDI+ subsystem. GDI+ is a "next generation" 2D graphics environment, adding advanced features such as anti-aliased 2D graphics, floating point coordinates, alpha blending, gradient shading, more complex path management, intrinsic support for modern graphics-file formats like jpeg and PNG (which were conspicuously absent in GDI), and general support for composition of affine transformations in the 2D view pipeline. Use of these features is apparent in Windows XP's user interface, and their presence in the basic graphics layer greatly simplifies implementations of vector-graphics systems such as Flash or SVG . The GDI+ dynamic library can be shipped with an application and used under older versions of Windows.

then, you know one thing that :
crow's curses cannot kill the beast

this is a great indian say(kahawat),
ki kauwon ke kosne se dhor nahi mara karte...

it implies perfectly on you MAC FANBOYS....

i never said MAC is BAD, but you all say Windows is BAD... this is really another Cheapshow by you people..

Originally Posted By nepcker
Microsoft makes softwares for geeks, Apple makes software for normal people." That's what I and many many more persons believe. Windows is really hard to use, especially when compared to Mac OS X. You believe Windows is superior because it's the only OS you've ever used. Try Mac OS X Tiger and then say that Windows is more user-friendly. And oh, I haven't seen BIOS since I've made the switch to my mac - when I bought an iBook about five years ago. BIOS is something I've only seen on a PC

You mean to say that windows is very hard to use.... can anyone please tell me the meaning of this JOKE.......

you are the first ever person to say windows is hard to use...

Originally Posted By Aryayush
shantanu_webmaster admits that he has never used a Mac but goes on to say that it is not as easy to use as Windows. "I have not tasted it but that pickle is sour!"

What you mean to say... you are directly pointing gun at me

Originally Posted By Aryayush
And I hope most of you will agree with me when I say this that more than 90% of Mac users are extremely satisfied Mac users and can never entertain the thought of switching to Windows. Can you say the same for Windows? If you are honest, you cannot. That is the reason why most people who are even a little techno savvy at least try Linux. Why? Because there is dissatisfaction

i think i am satisfied with my windows and every part of , whether it is programming or gaming or anything, and many of the user do .. this is not making sense in any way that MAC os x is better then windows..

Just the advertisement cannot make it better, and then M$ never do this kind of self supporting adverts...

you said you hate windows (why ?0 and dont hate M$) means you love the mother but hate her child.... why......??? this sounds somewhat unsocial....

just think on this...

NO HARD FEELINGS DUDE