What do u want to change in Microsoft & Windows Vista?

[mediator]

But u do appreciate that its for end-users isn't it? People with high end hardware might also like to buy Home basic if it costs less, so it shud also include AERO. I hope starter edition will also have aero. If not then note and put it up in suggestion filter of ur mailbox and tell MS to include AERO in starter edition and full support for mulimedia and games!!

 

[gxsaurav]

People with high end hardware might also like to buy Home basic if it costs less

Why? The difference between Home Basic & Home premium is just $50. You spend more then that on a date in USA. U don't want to use Aero on such a high end system .

You find Home basic cheap, you yourself mentioned its flawed points but forgot mention the cost effective points. U want aero on Vista Home basic, buy WindowBlinds for $20 which provides 3rd party skinning & use whatever theme u like along with aero. Even I prefer buying Home premium & then buying Windowsblind. I myself find Ultimate useless over Home Premium

so it shud also include AERO.

You want Aero on such a high end system, get Home premium.

I hope starter edition will also have aero.

I cannot give it as a feedback cos starter edition is made for low end PCs which can't run aero anyway. It has full support for multimedia already.

 

[mediator]

Why? The difference between Home Basic & Home premium is just $50. You spend more then that on a date in USA. U don't want to use Aero on such a high end system

Why do u keep murmering USA so frequently? The whole world isn't USA and I hope u know VISTA isn't limited to just USA!!

About Aero and systems, its users choice which version they shud buy! End-Users obviously tend to buy the cheapest version, that works. Ths kids want something amazing in that! So naturally AERO shud be included in all version aimed for end-users, families, kids and students!! Its so obvious! Instead of arguing, just note it down, forward and do ur paid job!

You find Home basic cheap, you yourself mentioned its flawed points but forgot mention the cost effective points. U want aero on Vista Home basic, buy WindowBlinds for $20 which provides 3rd party skinning & use whatever theme u like along with aero. Even I prefer buying Home premium & then buying Windowsblind. I myself find Ultimate useless over Home Premium

U may suggest that to MS also about why u find "Ultimate useless over Home Premium" n enlighten us y u find it useless!! And if we r to buy everything that is 3rd party then why even to use VISTA?? World shud simply switch to Linux and other such operating systems!

Can't the world have the honour to use MS products reasonably??

You want Aero on such a high end system, get Home premium.

And suggest MS to stop making such confusing names for their versions and use some brains next time! Its HOME, BUSINESS, PROfessional etc. NOW they categorised HOME also and made a new hierarchy so that people get confused even more?

We talked about HOME edition from start, then u talked bt premium and I bt BASIC. How Absurd! Does the student,ultimate,profession (if any) versions also have some hierarchy?

So yes, we want Home edition. Suggest them to remove premium and BAsic crap out of it and include Aero in it with some options in the install stage as I talked before!!

I cannot give it as a feedback cos starter edition is made for low end PCs which can't run aero anyway. It has full support for multimedia already.

Thats terrible! Then suggest em to optimize the WOW for low end systems! Obviously when speaking of low, I talk bt the sytems with atleast 1Ghz speed and 128 MB RAM and not PIIs with 266 Mhz & 32 MB RAM i.e the Aero shud be Njoyed by as many end-users in the world!!

 

[gxsaurav]

About Aero and systems, its users choice which version they shud buy! End-Users obviously tend to buy the cheapest version, that works. Ths kids want something amazing in that! So naturally AERO shud be included in all version aimed for end-users, families, kids and students!! Its so obvious! Instead of arguing, just note it down, forward and do ur paid job!

I m not paid to do this job, & I have already mentioned the feedback to kill Home basic all together. Just for u to know, Vista Home premium OEM editions costs even low, just $112.

U may suggest that to MS also about why u find "Ultimate useless over Home Premium" n enlighten us y u find it useless!!

Personal preference. Most of the home users will not need the features of Ultimate edition over Home premium edition.

And suggest MS to stop making such confusing names for their versions and use some brains next time! Its HOME, BUSINESS, PROfessional etc. NOW they categorised HOME also and made a new hierarchy so that people get confused even more?

Point noted. Have a look at post 1

So yes, we want Home edition. Suggest them to remove premium and BAsic crap out of it and include Aero in it with some options in the install stage as I talked before!!

Didn't I say that aero is already there in Home Premium

Thats terrible! Then suggest em to optimize the WOW for low end systems!

Already Done.

Obviously when speaking of low, I talk bt the sytems with atleast 1Ghz speed and 128 MB RAM

Minimum requirment for Vista Home premium = 1 GHz CPU with 512 MB RAM & DX 9 gfx card cos Aero is an all GPU based UI.

 

[mediator]

I m not paid to do this job, & I have already mentioned the feedback to kill Home basic all together. Just for u to know, Vista Home premium OEM editions costs even low, just $112.

And what was that bragging bt?.......

I don't know the exect price for this but for a student edition of home basic it is about $60 + $45 upgrade to Home premium Student edition if required. These are same as retail editions with nothing removed.

Since u r talking bt OEMs, then look for prices in here
$75, $93.99, $99 etc.


And from the source u had put, here's a small excerpt from it!

About Home premium

Cons: They say this OS was built from the ground up? uh huh, right... That's why I am still discovering some of the SAME EXACT Bugs that XP had, plus some that XP doesn't have... What's up with that? At least XP saved window, icon and other settings correctly. Also, I can't set refresh rate over 60Hz on my crt monitor at 1920x1200... When using XP I was able to set it at 75Hz at 1920x1200... Why is this? I have all the correct drivers installed.... Uuurrrgh! People want LESS problems, duh!
Other Thoughts: I installed this OS on a newer PC with a fresh clean HDD. Why O' why, MicroFart! It seems that MS put more work into trying to make it look better, rather than making it more compatible, functional and bugless... I write A.S. codes in Flash, and I understand that writing codes can be a pain, but come' on, for the latest OS, it's just a little pathetic... I'M DISAPPOINTED! They should of worked on it longer. My PC Specs: Core 2 E6600, 2GB XMS2 800, ASUS P5N32-SLI, 8800GTS 640MB, SB Audigy2, 750w PSU w/ active PFC. ......Nothing is over-clocked. (why stress your system?) -rjflash

So please, also give this little feedback to MS and suggest them to make the lives of their users atleast a little relaxed! The bolded parts r enought to ponder bt!!

Personal preference. Most of the home users will not need the features of Ultimate edition over Home premium edition.

Please dont think all users r like u interested in mulitmedia stuff only. many have the habit to explore the OS and might be needing the features of Ultimate and fancy stuff like Aero at a reasoable price!!

Suggestion: Tell MS to conduct a poll and ask what end-users want and r fond of fiddling with, wat there desires r n then to bundle them appropriately in HOME BASIC and other 'strippy teasy' version!

Point noted. Have a look at post 1

Good! Do the same for the rest and post the MS replies here!

Didn't I say that aero is already there in Home Premium

First remove the term 'premium' and replace it with 'Basic'. Now overall remove both craps and put end-users, kids desires in it..things ike powershell, aero, virtual stuff etc!!

Minimum requirment for Vista Home premium = 1 GHz CPU with 512 MB RAM & DX 9 gfx card cos Aero is an all GPU based UI.

Obviously I'm not talking bt a crawling sytem which increases the users frutration in which even notepad takes years to open! Be reasonable!

 

[sms_solver]

Next version of windows should do away with Registry. A good alternative of it has to be developed.

 

[iMav]

mediator ... ultimate was a version released by MS and sold under the pretext that they will have a lot of addons that will be released later specifically for vista ultimate .... thats the only difference and 1 noteworthy addon is dreamscene other than that its pretty much the same as home premium .... yaar aero is not specific to ultimate only ... home basic is the only version that doesnt have aero

i wud request u to go thru this page please:

*www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/choose.mspx?wt_svl=10033WHa1&mg_id=10033WHb1

and there are only 4 versions of vista and they have beenm nicely differentiated considering the market variety

 

[mediator]

U know my stand, so I wont repeat! U know what users want, the little review from gx's source is enough for u to have 2nd thought!! And isolating a single version from AERO is nuthing less than foolish!! Its a suggestion nuthing to argue bt!!

 

[shantanu]

@gx : you started the thread for which purpose ?

having ideas or creating wars.. ?

the thread is in fight club, tat means that you wanted flame wars. ?
then thread isnt solving its purpose.. you guys are just flaming, and this is serious BS man... ! and others.. if you can just stay to topic rather than arguing.. and fighting. ! and why are you asking GX like he owns M$.. he is doing a job to relate your points and post them for feedback.. you guys should provide valid points which you want changed.. not what most of you are doing.. !

 

[gxsaurav]

@gx : you started the thread for which purpose ?

Having ideas which i m constantly adding to the first page & sending to MS feedback.

why are you asking GX like he owns M$.. he is doing a job to relate your points and post them for feedback.. you guys should provide valid points which you want changed.. not what most of you are doing.. !

Thanx. I just tried mentioning to Mediator why there are a few things MS can't do which he refuces to listen.

many have the habit to explore the OS and might be needing the features of Ultimate and fancy stuff like Aero at a reasoable price!!

You can explore all you need in home premium too, plz take a look at post 1 of this thread comparing Ultimate edition & Home premium edition & you will come to know why I prefer Home Premium over Ultimate. There are only 3 differences which do not apply to 99% home users, so they get it for cheap. If you want to explore you always have the option for Windows Anytime upgrade to ultimate edition at a very low cost.

powershell

Whose gonna use Powershell in Home . If you want it is given via Windows Update easily. Powershell wll be included in Vista SP1

Next version of windows should do away with Registry. A good alternative of it has to be developed.

Point noted. However I don't think this will be removed, registry is machine language & a unified database. I m forwarding the point but don't expect MS to listen to me about this, cos registry works fine.

 

[mediator]

Whose gonna use Powershell in Home . If you want it is given via Windows Update easily. Powershell wll be included in Vista SP1

Ofcors not people like u, but those who r interested in OS, kids who wanna learn more. Thats y I tell again n again not to process my suggestions using ur brains. It gets stuck in a deadlock again n again and u show BSODs here! Just forward it!

I m forwarding the point but don't expect MS to listen to me about this, cos registry works fine.

Thats what me n others were requesting from the start. Just forward it, and leave it to MS!!

 

[gxsaurav]

Ofcors not people like u, but those who r interested in OS, kids who wanna learn more.

Sure, I agree. Isn't PowerShell already available via Windows Update.

There is no point giving MS feedback to this because PowerShell is already available.

Now, you will say include it in Vista. Plz give MS a time machine so that they can include this in Vista SKU released in November 2006 for manufacturing.

Windows Vista SP1 is about to release. PowerShell will be included in it. When SP1 releases MS will change the SKU & all the boxes of DVD which come out of manufacturing plant will have SP1 integrated which means PowerShell out of the box.

So, I hope I made myself clear why I cannot give this stupid feedback of yours

 

[mediator]

Sure, I agree. Isn't PowerShell already available via Windows Update.

There is no point giving MS feedback to this because PowerShell is already available.

Now, you will say include it in Vista. Plz give MS a time machine so that they can include this in Vista SKU released in November 2006 for manufacturing.

Windows Vista SP1 is about to release. PowerShell will be included in it. When SP1 releases MS will change the SKU & all the boxes of DVD which come out of manufacturing plant will have SP1 integrated which means PowerShell out of the box.

So, I hope I made myself clear why I cannot give this stupid feedback of yours

Oh, I see someone might have already given such 'stupid' suggestion/feedback to include powershell in SP1 to some intelligent MVP in some other forum n thats y MS must be bundling it.
I sympathise with the sorry state of few MVPs in this forum!!

 

[gxsaurav]

Oh, I see someone might have already given such 'stupid' suggestion/feedback to include powershell in SP1 to some intelligent MVP in some other forum n thats y MS must be bundling it.
I sympathise with the sorry state of few MVPs in this forum!!

What should we interpret with this? Isn't this offensive.

Powershell was stated to be released with Vista but it was not ready at the time of Vista.

 

[praka123]

btwn windows powershell seems interesting....but the question is how many windows users are able to use this? ..nd where is winfs?is it coming with SP1?

 

[gxsaurav]

but the question is how many windows users are able to use this?

Taken from Windows Powershell download page

Windows PowerShell 1.0 RTW currently supports Windows XP Service Pack 2, Windows Server 2003, Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008

WinFS is being actively developed but integration into the Windows codebase will come only after the technology has fully incubated

 

[din]

and why are you asking GX like he owns M$..

Offtopic ...

LOL, did not want to post in this thread but can't resist

Shan, can't blame the poor 'others' as you can see GX is strongly support MS whenever and wherever he get a chance and making confirmations on behalf of MS. So others might be thinking hes someway related to MS.

Now even if GX announce hes not an employee of MS or he does not own MS, I sm sure there will be some

OMG !! We always thought you are someway related to MS

 

[mediator]

What should we interpret with this? Isn't this offensive.

Powershell was stated to be released with Vista but it was not ready at the time of Vista.

Yea, too bad VISTA released much later than expected and then not having wat was expected! Poor business practices! BUt neways now we have a suggestion thread, I hope everything'll be phine!

 

[gxsaurav]

Yea, too bad VISTA released much later than expected and then not having wat was expected! Poor business practices!

The whole Windows longhorn source code which was based on Windows XP SP2 code was scrapped in favor of Windows Server 2003 code in 2004. So overall it only took 3 years to make the version of Windows we see today.

 

[mediator]

Doesn't matter how much time it took if within the limits! They delivered late and delivered less than expected. Thats what matters!

Client asks me to deliver a software in 10 days! I make in 1 day, without doing any software testing etc and boast that I did make in one day. But wats the use if I deliver it late to them than expected and not adhering to clients requirements?

This is wat happens when u don't follow proper coding and business practices! U get a 'file delete' problem that shud have been rectified or shud I say, shud have not even been there in alpha testing stage and lacking functionalities like Power Shell etc, 'Out-of-Box' and those in the review in the source provided by u!!

Maybe u shud read what software engineering is and what r best practices!!

Too much Big talk and no show!!