Utorrent question

[Skud]

True.

Incorrect. You can download that torrent given the condition that availability of the torrent is more than or equal to 1. And also many times some seeders usually come of that torrent but yes it is not sure, but its incorrect to say that you can't download these torrents.


No you don't need at least one seeder. Say there are 20 pieces and peer no. 1 have 1, 10, 5, 9, 20.
Peer no. 2 have 3, 7, 11, 14, 16, 19.
Peer no. 3 have 2, 4, 6, 8, 13,
Peer no. 4 have 12, 15, 17, 18, 1, 20.
In the above scenario you don't have any seeder but you'll be able to download the files 100% without any problem. Do you disagree???

You are right, I have finished at least a couple of torrents without any seeders. Even quite a few times when there is only 1 seeder, I have seem my torrent getting downloaded from other leechers but no connection at all with the seeder.

 

[Vyom]

@modder: I can see, you went to great length in explain the same situation, which even I tried to explain, but with a diagram
Link to that post

*img228.imageshack.us/img228/8896/torrentseedsandpeerswor.png

 

[gameranand]

You are right, I have finished at least a couple of torrents without any seeders. Even quite a few times when there is only 1 seeder, I have seem my torrent getting downloaded from other leechers but no connection at all with the seeder.

Yes I have also completed some torrents this way. To check whether your torrent will be downloaded or not is to check the availability say if availability is 98.1000 then you'll be stuck at 98.1 % unless a leecher comes who has the remaining pieces that you require or a seeder comes.

 

[asingh]

Vineet, very nicely put. Makes perfect sense.
And nice diagram.

 

[Vyom]

Thanks.
When I had posted this originally, it somehow got buried, and it had taken quite a time to draw this!

 

[xtremevicky]

You are right, I have finished at least a couple of torrents without any seeders. Even quite a few times when there is only 1 seeder, I have seem my torrent getting downloaded from other leechers but no connection at all with the seeder.

True !

You will hardly find a torrent which has no seeders and have a avialability of 1. It is rare but it can be done .

 

[modder]

@vineet
Thanks man. The diagram explains everything using 'piece/block' concept. I used a very basic/simple model but I see, you, gameranand & other members here are advanced users

 

[Skud]

@vineet

nice diagram man.

 

[sygeek]

@vineet369: Nice diagram dude, very nicely drawn and labelled. TFS!
On an average I get a speed of 70KBps (on my 512 Kbps internet Bandwidth) with no U/L speed. Tit-for-tat system failed on me

 

[Skud]

@vineet369: Nice diagram dude, very nicely drawn and labelled. TFS!
On an average I get a speed of 70KBps (on my 512 Kbps internet Bandwidth) with no U/L speed. Tit-for-tat system failed on me

Is it a BSNL connection? My 2Mbps connections behave similarly.

 

[gameranand]

On an average I get a speed of 70KBps (on my 512 Kbps internet Bandwidth) with no U/L speed. Tit-for-tat system failed on me

That is what what you should be getting from 512kbps.

Is it a BSNL connection? My 2Mbps connections behave similarly.

WTF??? You get 70KBps download speed from a 2mbps connection??

 

[Skud]

That is what what you should be getting from 512kbps.

WTF??? You get 70KBps download speed from a 2mbps connection??

arre you got me wrong, i was talking about no U/L speed and still downloading

 

[gameranand]

arre you got me wrong, i was talking about no U/L speed and still downloading

Ah. That. I thought you are getting 70KBps downloading speed.

Such a nice person Bram Cohen is. Father of piracy due to torrents.

 

[sygeek]

Such a nice person Bram Cohen is. Father of piracy due to torrents.

Totally disagree with that. Why are you blaming the author of BitTorent for something which other people are misusing?

BTW guys, Found this in Bram's Wiki:

In the summer of 2002, Cohen collected free pornography to lure beta testers to use his program (BitTorrent Client).

 

[gameranand]

Totally disagree with that. Why are you blaming the author of BitTorent for something which other people are misusing?

I didn't really mean that. I know why he created Bittorrent to share files not copy protected files. I was just making a joke.

 

[Zangetsu]

^^guys pls dnt comment on piracy @least in my thread

 

[sygeek]

Is it a BSNL connection? My 2Mbps connections behave similarly.

Yes, it is bsnl. You should get an average of 180+KBps torrent speeds with your 2Mbps bandwidth. Are you using BSNL EVDO?

 

[Vyom]

Thanks all of you, to appreciate my hard work in making that diagram. I just want to help people understand concept quickly.

@vineet
Thanks man. The diagram explains everything using 'piece/block' concept. I used a very basic/simple model but I see, you, gameranand & other members here are advanced users

Ahh.. now you are just embarrassing me!

Such a nice person Bram Cohen is. Father of piracy due to torrents.

That's like blaming Einstein for Atom bombs. He just created the concept of Nuclear Fission, not the bombs!
But we understand your sentiments.. and so we wont take any offence

 

[soumo27]

Well I have a 256 Kbps Unlimited DSL Connection. Usually Torrent D/L Speed is around 30 KBps at idle and around 20 KBps while surfing websites. Tonight before some time, for a span of around 10 mins, I was receiving a crazy speed of 9 MBps// Though it lasted for a very small period, it helped me download stuffs, which would have taken a whole day/

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So What do u guys think caused this? Well, I have seen similar problems with my Network before too, but that was maybe for a minute.

 

[Vyom]

WOW! At a rate of 9 MB/s you could have downloaded more than 5 GB's of data in 10 min!

But even with a screenshot, that's hard to believe!
No use finding the reason for this short burst of speed, since it's definitely a mistake, which your ISP rectified soon!