Todays Education gives Importance to What ?
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skippednote
M3TAL H3AD M3
Its a money game
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
I just hate the method of today's education. Education is important but today it is more like a business to make money & to teach how to make money. A degree matters even if the practical knowledge doesn't. My roommate is the worst MBA I have ever seen...another friend of mine working in Mumbai was telling me that he is jealous of me cos I enjoyed my life so far & am still enjoying while he is just following Home-Office-Home routine...yaar, aisi studies ka kya fayda....
It takes courage to go against everyone & do something which u can do, something different, something unconventional. There are so many MBA, IITins, MBBS but how many are happy with there job....
It takes courage to go against everyone & do something which u can do, something different, something unconventional. There are so many MBA, IITins, MBBS but how many are happy with there job....
dheeraj_kumar
Legen-wait for it-dary!
^^ It takes courage, yes, mainly because of the uncertainty the future holds in our life, if we walk on the road less travelled, rather than join the neverending journey on the highway. And thats why most people dont do it. Even I want to do something else, I want to write, but I cant. The only thing I can write now is not what I want to write, but what I am forced to write - C, C#, ASM, you get the point. This is the third year of my Computer Science and Engineering, and this is the third year I've regretted the decisions I've taken since class nine.
krates
Be CoOl rAp RuLeZ !!!
Well the topic must be
Indian Education Gives Importance to What ?
as my frnds in US and denmark they are studying
FLASH , 3DSMAX in school in class 7 and 8
and in those class we were thought POWERPOINT and WORD
offtopic: Education is free for every children in US till 12th
Indian Education Gives Importance to What ?
as my frnds in US and denmark they are studying
FLASH , 3DSMAX in school in class 7 and 8
and in those class we were thought POWERPOINT and WORD
offtopic: Education is free for every children in US till 12th
eggman
I have Yolks not Brains!
true true true......it should better be called educashion.....
NikhilVerma
Padawan
Better ... Yes ... Millions ... No ...
Sure you can do something else and earn money or whatever else you want to do, but exactly how many people in India can do that ?
And you are what you want to be ... as simple as that. If you are working like a mindless drone then it's your fault, don't blame your job. You can ALWAYS find a better job if you have the skills. If I ever find my job to be a deadend/boring/pointless I would resign the very same day and never come to the office.
People need to make a plan, how are they planning to shape their life and future.
is it the education system or the parents? Indian education system is just fine in cities.. what about villages? Basic education is the most important thing that every child should get. Times have changed.. now a days parents decide what his child will become. a Software engineer or a Doctor or a IITan or MBA!! or what not.. Its not fair to blame the education system for parents greeds.
sreevirus
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Isn't that a problem that the education system doesn't deal with at all in India? I mean, you will find a lot of people, who just took up a particular field of study, just because they had absolutely no clue what they were getting into, which in turn was because the education system didn't equip them with the right knowledge about where they could utilise their talents the best. The thing is, people are not taught to plan anything. It is just because of this reason why loads of people are opting for the IT industry to end up being frustrated later. People are not taught or counseled where they can excel. It is just rote learning and a high emphasis on marks at most levels of education. I can't think of many other reason why people do become drones.
I can give one example. There is this guy who was in my class when I was studying electrical engineering. This guy is an awesome speaker. Give him a topic and he will blow everyone away with his oratory skills. He is 2 years senior to me and he got a year drop for the third time when I passed to the fourth year. I have completed my course and he is yet to complete. I have asked him why he took electrical engineering, and he always changes the topic. Perhaps he doesn't want to speak about it. But clearly, engineering is not meant for him. He could've been an ace reporter/journalist/writer (just speculating), but he is in the wrong place. He's stuck with engineering. The reasons I could think of are these
1. Perhaps his parents and family pressurized him
2. Perhaps he followed his friends and took engineering (the everyone-else-is-doing-it syndrome)
3. Perhaps he thought he could earn more as an engineer/being an engineer is cool
If the education system included comprehensive counseling provided to students, then any student would not have made foolhardy decisions as I said in points 2 and 3 above.
We were taught Fourier and Laplace transformations in our course. I still am having a hard time figuring out why exactly the transformations are needed. I was just taught: do it because that's how you should solve it in the exam. The teachers never explained what happens when you shift a value from the time domain to the frequency domain, and not many even know what these domains are. Why? Coz they only need to know how to solve the problem to get 10/10. And that's exactly what the teachers will teach, each time laced with threats like how you won't be able to get a good job if you score low marks.
Why blame only parents when entire society is responsible. Parents don't greed, its the society that coerce them and you yourself also.
too much of dependence on teachers can cause sandbox.
Why didn't you look yourself ? Some good reference is always there.
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sreevirus
Certified Nutz
What do you think I did? I'd have been screwed if I followed the teachers. I have learnt that the text book is your best friend. (It could be my own fault, but I learn well under a good teacher. I take more time to comprehend things when I'm on my own.)
But I was pointing out a problem when I said those things. Even the teachers are conditioning the students to learn like zombies, just to fetch more marks to get good jobs. Education is not about getting jobs, as a wise man once told me, it is about learning, gaining knowledge. In the current scenario, sadly, its just the opposite.
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Seriously, I really want to know from guys who studied IT/Computer science or engineering, did the four years of learning prove really helpful in the real world? Coz some of my friends are lurking in the dark. And the ones who are working say that the companies train them totally different things.
mediator
Technomancer
Sure why not. It depends how practical you are in your approach. You can either follow what is being taught or open your eyes and see the current trend from the 1st year itself. Some people 'learn' what a teacher says and look no further beyond. They don't even confirm the answers or conform the concepts. They take teacher's words as final. Majority of people mug up the subjects for a good score and think college will yield them a good placement. Thats called hope! They don't have 'practical' skills in programming, concepts regarding OS, or practical knowledge about DBs, forget about the knowledge of integration as in L.A.M.P then. Some instead of making their own projects from scratch, simply copy it from seniors. They know what the project does, but don't even understand any line of code. With such weak understanding, confidence is bound to take a backseat. Remember a person who is confident and practically aware can never lurk in the dark!!srivirus said:
You must understand and remember at all times what you are doing and thats Comp. Engg that heavily relies on logic, concepts and practicals!
Regarding companies, they train them different things becoz VB, TC etc are outdated, Concepts related to ERP are not taught in college, java is only taught at basic level with almost no practicals, only a few colleges teach only the basic shell scripts and linux-ing, php is not taught, forget about networking etc. Well, there are other reasons too. But, I hope u got the idea!
One more thing, the world perceives a computer Engg. as an expert on computer matters . But many Comp. Engineers don't even know how to install the most widely used 'Windows OS' even after doing the B.Tech!
sums it up all.
College is powered by Turbo C and pirated softwares. No LAMP concepts just install MS visual studio and server. No teacher told how to set up JSP and oracle connection. No php, CSS, GIMPING and nmap thingy to learn.
But yeah you need to be a canny fox to learn yourself.
NikhilVerma
Padawan
yeah I remember getting calls from my college folks asking "Bhai I need a project with VB and a database please give me one" .... amazing innit
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
No one is happy with there life. One of my friend who is MBA & working in HDFC bank Mumbai is making lots of money but he tells me he is not happy with his life as he isn't getting time for himself. He misses having a GF etc...(he is a man after all). We were talking today & he said he wants a life like me.....enough money but enjoyment.
Being book smart alone or street smart alone won't help. u have to be both & learn what U want on your own.
Being book smart alone or street smart alone won't help. u have to be both & learn what U want on your own.
sreevirus
Certified Nutz
@mediator, ofcourse it's true. I get the idea. But I hope even you have realized that the education system currently prevailing places no emphasis on practical knowledge at all, and put the onus of gaining it on the students, and that too, on their own, if they want to. I know you, like me, would have come across numerous graduates who don't know jack about LAMP, PHP, Perl, Python, etc, don't know how to install an OS, don't know how Linux is different from Windows, etc etc. Doesn't it bother you when some IT guy calls you up asking for help as his PC is affected by some virus, or worse still, he wants to install some software?
I'm not a coder, but I know some of these things because I was curious enough to try them out. I'm sure you might have been similar in some way. I also read a lot of these things. But the guys we're talking about only read their books. And you yourself might know why it is so. To get marks, to get good jobs, etc. For them, there is nothing beyond it. It's the same old story. Most of the schools totally discourage extracurricular activities as it will affect studies.
You said that a confident person will never lurk in the dark. Totally agree to that. The problem here is, the system doesn't let most guys recognize their talents. You can't disagree to that.
Some just do eenie-meenie-miny-mo... ok I'll go for Electronics. Then an MBA. Cool enough. It's true. In my own class, I was one of the few guys who took my branch because I wanted to, not because I had to, or because there was no other choice, or because I didn't get computer or IT engg.
The best education system would have be that, which will help students realise their own potential, if if it was the most clueless student, ala Taare Zameen Par. What say?
@NikhilVerma, I know. When my groupmates and I decided to make our project on our own, the comments from others were: "100 marks ke liye time barbaad kyon kar rahe ho? Kyon itna jhanjhat? Get it readymade, and study in the spare time, or enjoy." (For the record, there are people who make final year projects for students, and are doing brisk business.)
The current education system does that you know. Absolute no emphasis on practice. It's all marks.
You either deviate and do things on your own, or get lost in the crowd.
I'm not a coder, but I know some of these things because I was curious enough to try them out. I'm sure you might have been similar in some way. I also read a lot of these things. But the guys we're talking about only read their books. And you yourself might know why it is so. To get marks, to get good jobs, etc. For them, there is nothing beyond it. It's the same old story. Most of the schools totally discourage extracurricular activities as it will affect studies.
You said that a confident person will never lurk in the dark. Totally agree to that. The problem here is, the system doesn't let most guys recognize their talents. You can't disagree to that.
Some just do eenie-meenie-miny-mo... ok I'll go for Electronics. Then an MBA. Cool enough. It's true. In my own class, I was one of the few guys who took my branch because I wanted to, not because I had to, or because there was no other choice, or because I didn't get computer or IT engg.
The best education system would have be that, which will help students realise their own potential, if if it was the most clueless student, ala Taare Zameen Par. What say?
@NikhilVerma, I know. When my groupmates and I decided to make our project on our own, the comments from others were: "100 marks ke liye time barbaad kyon kar rahe ho? Kyon itna jhanjhat? Get it readymade, and study in the spare time, or enjoy." (For the record, there are people who make final year projects for students, and are doing brisk business.)
The current education system does that you know. Absolute no emphasis on practice. It's all marks.
You either deviate and do things on your own, or get lost in the crowd.
mediator
Technomancer
My college was around 3-4 km near my place and so from 2nd semester itself I used to go after learning about the status of the teacher whether has come in the college. It used to save my time and sleep. Further a class or two were sufficient enough to understand whether the teacher is skilled. I rarely attended the classes of those who made me yawn & sleep even after my 100% attention. But then there were a few teachers who spoke softly, but enthralled the students with their sound knowledge of the subject. The whole batch used to attend their classes in almost full attendence! Those were the teachers whose teachings embedded crystal clear concepts in our minds in one class alone.
One of the teachers I remember was also the HOD of Computer science department, a buzy woman (one man army as we used to call her), and seldom philosophized about careers in the classroom. One day I asked her about my career and my interests in person. In brief, she gave references about GCC, Linux, Java etc! I didn't know at that time what Gcc was. But now when I ponder back I realise that I met one fine teacher who thoroughly enlightened me. There r instances of few more.
So I think its not as if students should wait for teachers to organize seminars about careers. IMO, they should consult as many people including teachers, seniors, professionals etc to know about the career prospects and then ponder whats correct and what all can be done. Parents can tell the child only to the level they know about. U must understand that majority of parents in todays time are 'remotely' literate about IT & other Engg. fields, then forget about giving guidance to their child. I guess, the advice a doctor can give his child regarding MBBS cannot be compared to that regarding IT and Engg.
So I don't agree with your statement : "The problem here is, the system doesn't let most guys recognize their talents".
The system is not stopping you to realize your own interests. If a student has the guts to tell his parents about his girlfriend, then I think he can also change their opinion and educate them about the scope of the field he wishes to take. Its not as if parents shud tell you, but the opposite that you from the 1st day of the college start thinking professionally and teach your parents about your field.
You applied for Computer Engg. and ur parents bought u a Duo Core! They do not understand how u will use it and u hope teachers will tell u. For many, internet is synonymous with porn watching, but only a few realize that its an ocean of knowledge. We argued about science in another thread and I came to know you hold interest in matters related to Universe etc. Do u think ur friends in college hold the same interests and knowledge as u do? Many, as u said, might still be lurking in the dark, whereas u have come to know that something is missing!
Undoubtedly, the best education system is one that helps the students & I think a holistic approach is needed much more at the 'skool level' when the child needs help n looks towards teachers and parents helplessly. But neways, why is it that the only choice left at 'college level' is to 'hope for the best' from the system when u can make a few efforts from ur side too? Why do people think that there will be some reaction only when the system does some action? I think its wiser if u do some action and learn about the reaction from the system just as u gently hit a leaf and learn how flexible it is.
Regarding the IT guy calling up, people only take advantage of u if u tell them about your capabilities!
One of the teachers I remember was also the HOD of Computer science department, a buzy woman (one man army as we used to call her), and seldom philosophized about careers in the classroom. One day I asked her about my career and my interests in person. In brief, she gave references about GCC, Linux, Java etc! I didn't know at that time what Gcc was. But now when I ponder back I realise that I met one fine teacher who thoroughly enlightened me. There r instances of few more.
So I think its not as if students should wait for teachers to organize seminars about careers. IMO, they should consult as many people including teachers, seniors, professionals etc to know about the career prospects and then ponder whats correct and what all can be done. Parents can tell the child only to the level they know about. U must understand that majority of parents in todays time are 'remotely' literate about IT & other Engg. fields, then forget about giving guidance to their child. I guess, the advice a doctor can give his child regarding MBBS cannot be compared to that regarding IT and Engg.
So I don't agree with your statement : "The problem here is, the system doesn't let most guys recognize their talents".
The system is not stopping you to realize your own interests. If a student has the guts to tell his parents about his girlfriend, then I think he can also change their opinion and educate them about the scope of the field he wishes to take. Its not as if parents shud tell you, but the opposite that you from the 1st day of the college start thinking professionally and teach your parents about your field.
You applied for Computer Engg. and ur parents bought u a Duo Core! They do not understand how u will use it and u hope teachers will tell u. For many, internet is synonymous with porn watching, but only a few realize that its an ocean of knowledge. We argued about science in another thread and I came to know you hold interest in matters related to Universe etc. Do u think ur friends in college hold the same interests and knowledge as u do? Many, as u said, might still be lurking in the dark, whereas u have come to know that something is missing!
Undoubtedly, the best education system is one that helps the students & I think a holistic approach is needed much more at the 'skool level' when the child needs help n looks towards teachers and parents helplessly. But neways, why is it that the only choice left at 'college level' is to 'hope for the best' from the system when u can make a few efforts from ur side too? Why do people think that there will be some reaction only when the system does some action? I think its wiser if u do some action and learn about the reaction from the system just as u gently hit a leaf and learn how flexible it is.
Regarding the IT guy calling up, people only take advantage of u if u tell them about your capabilities!
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