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I'll only call that lad as clueless not to mention an idiot, who'll simply has not idea of the quality of Jamie Carragher during 2004-08. Not to mention his dismissal of a quality Chelsea side of 2004-06.
But then what to expect from a lame Mancker
But then what to expect from a lame Mancker
Hah.
Quality and Carragher.. words that should never be used in a sentence together
And I never mentioned the quality of Chelsea, but the reason they walked the league for those 2 seasons was because they raised the bar and none of the other teams could respond. It was down to the relative shiteness of the league at that point in time.
Quality and Carragher.. words that should never be used in a sentence together
And I never mentioned the quality of Chelsea, but the reason they walked the league for those 2 seasons was because they raised the bar and none of the other teams could respond. It was down to the relative shiteness of the league at that point in time.
iinfi
mekalodu
a team wins becoz they are better than their opponents. Not jus becoz their opponents keep playing badly. a team cant win the league bcoz 1 team didnt play well. 19 teams didnt play well and one team walked away? doenst make sense!! a strong defense with a no-nonsense policy helped. the moment we went to play beautiful football, it hit has back hard!!
jus like fast bowlers and strikers hunt in pairs, so do defenders. they are better when they are with people with whom they have good understanding with. Carvalho/terry/gallas/rio/carragher and others were some of the best in the business when they were at their peak. no point saying A was a good defender jus bcoz of B and stuff ...
jus like fast bowlers and strikers hunt in pairs, so do defenders. they are better when they are with people with whom they have good understanding with. Carvalho/terry/gallas/rio/carragher and others were some of the best in the business when they were at their peak. no point saying A was a good defender jus bcoz of B and stuff ...
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Arsenal_Gunners
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Szczesny, Eboue, Koscielny, Djourou, Gibbs, Denilson, Wilshere, Walcott, Bendtner, Van Persie (c), Vela
Fvcking hell!
Fvcking hell!
XTerminator
Welbeck fan :D
erm,what did I miss? 
Man Utd: Kuszczak,O'Shea,Smalling,
Evans, Fabio Da Silva, Obertan,
Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs , Hernandez ,
Bebe . Subs : Amos, Brown ,Park,Carrick,Rafael Da Silva, Macheda,Eikrem .
great to see Eikrem on the bench.hope to see his debut.
Man Utd: Kuszczak,O'Shea,Smalling,
Evans, Fabio Da Silva, Obertan,
Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs , Hernandez ,
Bebe . Subs : Amos, Brown ,Park,Carrick,Rafael Da Silva, Macheda,Eikrem .
great to see Eikrem on the bench.hope to see his debut.
Firstly, I never intended to bring up Chelsea.
It only came up when ico posted that Ferdinand didnt do much till 2006 and the justification for that, at some level, being the fact that Chelsea dominated the league for 2 seasons before that.
The reply to that was pointing out that the weakness for Manchester United at that time wasnt Ferdinand in defense, but the midfield (silvestre at LB wasnt much help either)
Porto did the same for large parts of the last 2 decades in Portugal
The cheslea squad of 09-10 was better than the squad they had in 05-06, but the reason they won the league more comfortably in 05-06 was because the rest of the league failed to respond to the new standards chelsea had set.
This whole thing, btw is a completely different argument
and while we are at it, Chelsea played some beautiful football in 04-05 with Cole, Duff and Robben in their side. Being more adventurous didnt cost them.
What cost them was the emergence of ronaldo, the improvement in the rest of the league and the decline of makelele (who was brilliant in his prime, chelsea still havent replaced him)
There werent as many easy games for chelsea anymore and they started dropping points ..
That is still going on, the rest of the league is still getting better and the top teams, in some respect, have hit the ceiling .. Thats why teams are dropping so many points this season (FFP+squad cap and increased TV revenue for the bottom sides)
And returning to Carragher, he really isnt in the same level as the other defenders you have mentioned
Arsenal reached a CL finals with Senderos in the heart of their defense, that doesnt make him quality player
He is a fan favorite at liverpool and has been there all his career, but he is not a great CB.. A very good one for a top 4 side, so for Liverpool, he is great
Nowhere near as good as Vidic,Rio,Terry,Carvalho,Gallas
King and Woodgate are very very good, but have constantly been injured.
Bloody hell, that was long
Off to watch the matches..
It only came up when ico posted that Ferdinand didnt do much till 2006 and the justification for that, at some level, being the fact that Chelsea dominated the league for 2 seasons before that.
The reply to that was pointing out that the weakness for Manchester United at that time wasnt Ferdinand in defense, but the midfield (silvestre at LB wasnt much help either)
Lyon won 7 french leagues in a row because there was hardly any competition
Porto did the same for large parts of the last 2 decades in Portugal
The cheslea squad of 09-10 was better than the squad they had in 05-06, but the reason they won the league more comfortably in 05-06 was because the rest of the league failed to respond to the new standards chelsea had set.
This whole thing, btw is a completely different argument
and while we are at it, Chelsea played some beautiful football in 04-05 with Cole, Duff and Robben in their side. Being more adventurous didnt cost them.
What cost them was the emergence of ronaldo, the improvement in the rest of the league and the decline of makelele (who was brilliant in his prime, chelsea still havent replaced him)
There werent as many easy games for chelsea anymore and they started dropping points ..
That is still going on, the rest of the league is still getting better and the top teams, in some respect, have hit the ceiling .. Thats why teams are dropping so many points this season (FFP+squad cap and increased TV revenue for the bottom sides)
And returning to Carragher, he really isnt in the same level as the other defenders you have mentioned
Arsenal reached a CL finals with Senderos in the heart of their defense, that doesnt make him quality player
He is a fan favorite at liverpool and has been there all his career, but he is not a great CB.. A very good one for a top 4 side, so for Liverpool, he is great
Nowhere near as good as Vidic,Rio,Terry,Carvalho,Gallas
King and Woodgate are very very good, but have constantly been injured.
Bloody hell, that was long
Off to watch the matches..
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Arsenal_Gunners
Human Spambot
This is the good Wigan that has turned up.They are pressing us hard,causing problems.
Van Persie puts Vela through with a fantastic backheel.He misses the one on one
Van Persie puts Vela through with a fantastic backheel.He misses the one on one
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XTerminator
Welbeck fan :D
evans you fvckface.he's got to be responsible for atleast 40% of the goals Utd conceded this season
fabio slips.w.ham score. 2-0
fabio slips.w.ham score. 2-0
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Arsenal_Gunners
Human Spambot
OG from a Theo corner!1-0
Someone losing 2-0
Vela should have had a hat-trick by now!
THIS YEAR IS OUR YEAR
Going off now.Hopefully,the results wouldn't be fvcked up in the morning.
Someone losing 2-0
Vela should have had a hat-trick by now!
THIS YEAR IS OUR YEAR
Going off now.Hopefully,the results wouldn't be fvcked up in the morning.
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XTerminator
Welbeck fan :D
oh fvck off evans.the run ends here.surely.
XTerminator
Welbeck fan :D
motm jonny evans
im pretending this match didnt happen.absolute sh1te in defence,never mind the attack
im pretending this match didnt happen.absolute sh1te in defence,never mind the attack
skeletor
Chosen of the Omnissiah
zOMG mancs lost?
****ing hell, I didn't know that we had CC games yesterday.
Carragher was better than Gallas for sure before losing his pace and Hyppia along with Campbell were the best defenders of the league in the past decade.
****ing hell, I didn't know that we had CC games yesterday.
Wood agree on King. I like him even if he is a spud, but Woodgate?
Carragher was better than Gallas for sure before losing his pace and Hyppia along with Campbell were the best defenders of the league in the past decade.
Liverpool_fan
Sami Hyypiä, LFC legend
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Is that a wind up?
You claimed a point and yourself contradicted it. Congratulations.
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Do you remember the chelsea side of 05-06 ?Is that a wind up?
This season is different, but last season and the season before, chelsea were stronger than they were when they won the two titles
You claimed a point and yourself contradicted it. Congratulations.
Cant differentiate between being vital for title winning sides and being good enough for a top 4 ?
Carragher would never, even in his prime, been a vital player for any side that has won the title
He is a level below that. That doesnt mean he is Titus Bramble, but he isnt and never has been great
Great for liverpool != great in the bigger picture
its not that hard to understand, but with the brain capacity of a liverpool fan, it makes sense