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Niilesh

Padawan
Re: mathematic related questions

Then by solving
you will get , 24=24
so by this method you will not be able to find anything
It doesnot mean PD=0
3*PD + PA*3 = 12
PD + PA = 4
EDIT : You are right, actually i had put PD=PA-4 instead of 4-PA so i got the wrong result
 

Niilesh

Padawan
Re: mathematic related questions

ans is 15/4

Can anyone explain ??

I can :)

I am on mobile right now so I will just give you a hint. take PD as 'x' then find the length of hypotenuse and then find the value of X by qc+QB =4, I think you will be able to figure out the rest of the solution
 

Niilesh

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*i.imgur.com/9BcPIWp.jpg
In AQB, AQ= √9+x² = QC
now, x+√9+x² = 4
9+x² =16+x²-8x
x=7/8
now,
PQ² = 3² + (√9+x² - x)²
PQ= 3*5/4=15/4
 
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rst

Youngling
Re: mathematic related questions

*i.imgur.com/9BcPIWp.jpg
In AQB, AQ= √9+x² = QC
now, x+√9+x² = 4
9+x² =16+x²-8x
x=7/8
now,
PQ² = 3² + (√9+x² - x)²
PQ= 3*5/4=15/4

Absolutely right

But bolded above step is complicated
instead of it you can use:-
PQ² = PR² + QR² (here R is used where dotted line meet PA)
PQ² = (4-2x)² + 3²
PQ² = (4-7/4)² + 9
PQ² = (81/16) + 9
pQ=15/4
 

Niilesh

Padawan
Re: mathematic related questions

Correct.
Only the trivial solution (0,0) works.
Suppose there is a nontrivial solution (a, b). Without loss of generality, we may assume it is a minimal solution, say in the sense that |a|+|b| is as small as possible.
The only squares mod 4 are 0 and 1.
If a is even and b is odd, then
a^2 + 6b^2 = 2 (mod 4),
so a^2 + 6b^2 is not a square. Similarly, if a is odd and b is even we arrive at a contradiction by using the assumption that b^2 + 6a^2 is a square.
If instead a is odd and b is odd, then
a^2 + 6b^2 +3 ( mod 4),
so again we obtain a contradiction.
The only possibility then is that both a & b are even. But if you look at a/2, b/2 then one easily sees that both
(a/2)^2 + 6(b/2)^2
(b/2)^2 + 6(a/2)^2
are squares (since the squares a^2 + 6b^2 and b^2 + 6a^2 are both even, hence divisible by 4). This contradicts the minimality of our original solution.
umm.. What? Can someone explain that?
 
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rst

Youngling
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umm.. What? Can someone explain that?
Here square means numbers like 1,4,9,16,25,36,49,................
when you divide above mentioned numbers by 4 then remainder will be either 0 or 1
thats why, The only squares mod 4 are 0 and 1.
 

Niilesh

Padawan
Re: mathematic related questions

Here square means numbers like 1,4,9,16,25,36,49,................
when you divide above mentioned numbers by 4 then remainder will be either 0 or 1
thats why, The only squares mod 4 are 0 and 1.
I can't understand the proof, can you prove that only pair of a and b that are even are 0,0?(in that question)
 
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Youngling
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I can't understand the proof, can you prove that only pair of a and b that are even are 0,0?(in that question)
this proof is quite good
lets see this proof in simple language

every square number will give remainder 0 and 1 if it is divisible by 4
this means If a number gives remainder other than 0 and 1 then it is not square number
we will this result
but it doesnot means that if remainder is o or 1 then it is perfect square
for example 40 gives remainder 0 when divisible by 4 (but it is not perfect square)

Now in a^2 + 6b^2
a ,b can be even or odd

case 1
a is even and b is odd
lets take a=2 and b=3
then a^2 + 6b^2 =58
58 will give remainder 2 when divided by 4
so a^2 + 6b^2 is not perfect square (as remainder is other than 0 and 1)



case 2
a is odd and b is even
similar to case one

case 3
both a and b are odd
let a=1 ,b=3
then a^2 + 6b^2 =1+18=19
19 will give remainder 3 when divided by 4
so a^2 + 6b^2 is not perfect square (as remainder is other than 0 and 1)


case 4
both a and b are even
let a=2,b=4
then a^2 + 6b^2 =100
so a^2 + 6b^2 is perfect square (as 100 is perfect square)

let a=2,b=4
then (b)^2 + 6(a)^2 =16+24=40
(b)^2 + 6(a)^2 is not perfect square

so a^2 + 6b^2 and (b)^2 + 6(a)^2 is not perfect square for a and b both even [ (0,0) is exception]

so answer is (0,0)
 

Niilesh

Padawan
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I only needed solution for case 4, you just took some random values of a and b :-\
can I get a proof in general form ? (like take a and b as 2k and 2p where k and p are integers)
 
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Youngling
Re: mathematic related questions

If we want to proof that a theorem or result is not correct
Then in such situation even examples are enough

But If we want to proof a theorem or result is correct
Then we have to prove it with general terms
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Anyway I didn't try to prove any thing
I just tried to explain the proof with examples
 
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Niilesh

Padawan
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I know but you proved that it is not valid for all even no. but you didn't prove that it will not be possible for some no. s
 
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Youngling
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I didn't try to proof the problem
proof is already given by Vignesh B
I just tried to explain the proof with examples

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Niilesh

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It seems too easy :/
My ans - 50Kg
Solution-
Note: Assuming 99/98% is given weight by weight
Original condition - 1 Kg real matter + 99 Kg water
New condition - 1 Kg real matter + 'x' Kg water
Now it is given that
x/(x+1) = 98/100
2x=98
x=49
So ans = x+1= 50Kg
 
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Youngling
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Absolutely right
great work

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Niilesh

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Ans - 9
Sol.- use arithmetic mean of mth power is greater that mth power of arithmetic mean( if M belongs to real no - [0,1])
I know you will have to read it more than once to understand what's written
 
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Youngling
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Answer is correct

But i didn't understand the explanation
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plz explain in simple way as you did in previous question
 
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Niilesh

Padawan
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Alternate method for you :)
I know my writing is not that good :razz:
*i.imgur.com/RuGGjlT.jpg
 
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Youngling
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great !!
Thanks a lot

I know my writing is not that good :razz:
Its better than mine

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