PC Buying Guide 2013 - Q4

Jaskanwar Singh · Jan 17, 2012

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d3p5kor, agreed, but no asus. see service/RMA section.

it will be Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3R @ 12.2k

d3p · Jan 17, 2012

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^^ Yes i heard the RMA Nightmares...

Then is there any wrong with MSI GD80..

Jaskanwar Singh · Jan 17, 2012

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msi i am better avoiding.
MSI Active Phase Control blowing

P67A-GD80 death too (blow phase on picture) no overclocking no manual phase changing only max power saving choose... After run game (Crysis 2) smells and blows up. As well as my 2600K ES now death

they should atleast dont make such softwares!

check them out -

Motherboard Notes -
1. rev 3.1 of Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P is better for overclocking. rev 4.0 cuts on phases to 3+1 instead of 4+1. Also rev3.1 hits its capability threshold with an x6 at 1.45V protective shutdown at this point despite cooling. And rev3.1 supports 140w processors onstead of 95w support of rev4.0. So try to find rev3.1 of that board.

2. Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H also has same case. rev3.1 is better. has 4+1 phase design and supports 140w processors and oppsoed to 95w support and 3+1 phase of rev4.0.

Sub 20k (Best for office work,movies,downloading)

Optional upgrades for 20k -

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Sub 25k (Best for office work, multimedia)

Optional upgrades for 25k -

Component | Make | Price Monitor |Dell IN2030M (20")|5850

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Sub 30k (Casual gaming,multi media)

Optional upgrades for 30k -

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Sub 35k (Entry level gaming,multi media)

Optional upgrades for 35k -

Component | Make | Price CPU Cooler |CM Hyper 212 Evo|1900

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Sub 40k (Mid range gaming,multi media)

Optional upgrades for 40k -

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Sub 50k (Mid range gaming)

Optional upgrades for 50k -

Component | Make | Price CPU Cooler |CM Hyper 212 Evo|1900

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Sub 60k (High end gaming)

Optional upgrades for 60k -

Component | Make | Price CPU Cooler |CM Hyper 212 Evo|1900

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Sub 70k (High end gaming)

Optional upgrades for 70k -

Component | Make | Price CPU Cooler |CM Hyper 212 Evo|1900

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Sub 85k (High end gaming)

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Sub 100k (High End Gaming)

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BUMP!!!

Tenida · Jan 18, 2012

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Only one link cannot prove that the whole series of boards from MSI have the same problem. I have searched in the google about the problem related to APS in sandy bridge system, I couldn't find any link other than yours. Only because of one or two problem you cannot judge that the whole bunch of product from MSI is bad.
Asus has service problem in India but still many user buying Asus boards,why? only because of service problem you cannot ignore good brand like Asus..You will find problems related to every brand/model in google.
msi active phase switching problem - Google Search

MSI P67A-GD80 overclocking potential
MSI P67A-GD80 Socket 1155 Motherboard Reviews - OCIA.net
MSI P67A-GD80 (B3) Motherboard Review - Page 5 - Overclocking

MSI Z68A-GD80 Overclocking potentian
*www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_z68agd80_g3/6.htm
*www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_z68agd80_g3/9.htm
*www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_z68agd80_g3/10.htm
*www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_z68agd80_g3/15.htm
*www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=2116&pageID=11011

Sub-Zero Overclocking result
*www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hard...i-z68a-gd80-g3-z68-motherboard-review-13.html
*i.imgur.com/FvzNR.png

Active Phase Switching (APS) is MSI "marketspeak" for its Voltage Regulator Module (VRM) power switching capability. Dynamic Energy Saver is the GIGABYTE term for the same thing. These VRM control schemes have nothing to do with how fast the processor runs. What they do is to make the power delivery to the processor much more efficient, which saves on the overall system power consumption, heat production and of course energy costs. Even if you could turn this feature off, you wouldn't want to.

Skud · Jan 18, 2012

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Just a thought: if you start browsing the net, you will definitely find problems with every other manufacturer out there. Like ASUS here. I think Tenida got a valid point here. Also by eliminating both MSI and ASUS, you are virtually pushing every user to buy GB boards only, which again I think is not good.

@Mods: if this is OT, kindly delete the post.

Also check the HardOCP reviews of mobos. They run some sort of Incubated torture tests for days to check stability. The MSI boards are rock solid (along with most other boards).

$$Lionking$$ · Jan 18, 2012

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APS problem of MSI is not with the MSI board really, it was with MSI software and its not even a problem as such - Manual selection of phases, really?

Although I have to say this is not the first time MSI power delivery problems are being posted on TDF...

Jaskanwar Singh · Jan 18, 2012

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Guys prob is with software, yes. But do you expect us to mention in every thread that dont use green feature??

And if anyone is sure that it was single problem and using that board can test it by enabling green power saving and running games!

Joker · Jan 18, 2012

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getting rid of Asus? surely...until their distributors get theirbact together.

getting rid of MSI? for AMD...u should get rid of them. they gave huge problems. for intel they should be and are fine. their support is great too. if any problem with the board...it will get replaced.

gigabyte? they are fine as well.

$$Lionking$$ · Jan 18, 2012

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Jaskanwar - Personally speaking, I will "N E V E R" buy MSI... Although coming to skuds point... if we dont consider asus/msi at all then were only left with gigabyte.. so we shud consider them but as 2nd and 3rd choices...?!

Also Biostar can be considered its quality is probably more or less same as msi...

P.S. Yes Tenida why dont you test that for us!!!

MegaMind · Jan 18, 2012

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$$Lionking$$ said:
Also Biostar can be considered its quality is probably more or less same as msi...

Everyone knows thats not true.. :wink:

Extreme Gamer · Jan 18, 2012

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Don't forget asrock guys.

JS: Obviously you can't go around mentioning it in every thread. But that doesn't mean that you don't buy MSI.

You also can't say with a degree of certainty that people will use that feature.

d3p · Jan 18, 2012

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This thread turning into a topic called "~~Hardware~~ Motherboard that you should NOT buy"....

Jaskanwar Singh · Jan 18, 2012

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$$Lionking$$ said:
Jaskanwar - Personally speaking, I will "N E V E R" buy MSI... Although coming to skuds point... if we dont consider asus/msi at all then were only left with gigabyte.. so we shud consider them but as 2nd and 3rd choices...?!

Also Biostar can be considered its quality is probably more or less same as msi...

P.S. Yes Tenida why dont you test that for us!!!

some biostars are very good too.

Extreme Gamer said:
Don't forget asrock guys.

JS: Obviously you can't go around mentioning it in every thread. But that doesn't mean that you don't buy MSI.

You also can't say with a degree of certainty that people will use that feature.

why take chance?

Extreme Gamer · Jan 18, 2012

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@deb:We're discussing mobo brands that should be in the Tables.

@JS: Well, you need to install the software in the first place to use the feature. The probability of that happening is quite low.

$$Lionking$$ · Jan 18, 2012

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Jaskanwar - @biostars - Agreed.

Skud · Jan 18, 2012

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May be this post should help:-

MSI Active Phase Control blowing

So I have the oficial report from MSI. It was really very soon. Ok the problem is real and it depends on stepping. B3 is ok B2 can with older CCII failed.

The problem has been fixed in last version Control Center II which was released today. CC II v2.1.012 and later should be OK. Phase changing feature was deleted.

Elsewhere at HardOCP:-

I incubated the Z68A-GD65 G3 and tried my best to kill it. I ran incubated Torture Test for 8 days and the motherboard did not fail. When I pulled it out of the incubator, there were surface component temperatures registering at over 175F. The board was blistering hot but still trucking right along. There is no doubt in my mind that MSI has built a very punishment resistant motherboard in the Z68A-GD65 G3.

Tenida · Jan 18, 2012

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$$Lionking$$ said:
Also Biostar can be considered its quality is probably more or less same as msi...

I couldn't stop laughing after seeing this.

Also Biostar can be considered its quality is probably more or less same as msi... ~Joke of the year :-D

Jaskanwar Singh · Jan 18, 2012

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^there is nothing to laugh at it.
eg -
About VRMs & Mosfets / Motherboard Safety with 125W+ TDP processors

Now, does amount of phases have everything to do with a motherboard? Usually, but this is where brand name gets taken into account. For example, The majority of 2010-released MSI AMD motherboards with 4+1 phase or similar, heatsinked or not, were far from good quality. This is due to the utilisation of transistors that may not be properly rated, and driver chips not properly rated. However, take the Biostar TA890FXE, it comes with a similar 4+2 power phase. High amperage rating per transistor; completely rock-solid.

$$Lionking$$ · Jan 18, 2012

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Well if were recommending brands like - MSI.. then why not Biostar & ASRock??!

@Tanida - Read Jaskanwar's post!!!

Jaskanwar Singh · Jan 18, 2012

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Skud said:
May be this post should help:-

MSI Active Phase Control blowing

ok, problem solved :))

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