PC Buying Guide 2013 - Q4

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Re: PC Buying Guide 2012 - Q1

d6bmg said:
I've mentioned na, the total price would be around 1.5L once the rupee-dollar ratio stabilizes.
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Wtf!! 60K for a processor is not worth for home use...:evil: BTW. how was the syndey trip??:p
 
Skud

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Re: PC Buying Guide 2012 - Q1

Nor even 36k. Plus additional platform cost. :p
 
vickybat

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Re: PC Buying Guide 2012 - Q1

@ whitestar_999

Well its a special case for a certain kind of usage. You don't add server components for a home build do you?

3930x is relatively cheaper than its big brother and performs nearly same. In heavily multithreaded environments, its 50% more performance than 2600k. Also not to forget the additional lanes and memory bandwidth the x79 platform brings with it.

Its not a general build but meant for professionals and gamers who don't mind spending more for a particular usage. In that sense, i said getting a xeon isn't practical. It wasn't money.:)
 
Skud

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Re: PC Buying Guide 2012 - Q1

Professionals (or if you are talking about workstations) would most probably prefer a Xeon over SNB-E. ;)
 
Extreme Gamer

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Re: PC Buying Guide 2012 - Q1

vickybat said:
Not a practical option. Imo nothing should be mentioned in this guide which is not practically viable easily.

Nothing is wrong with the 3930x chip.
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Then you dont know anything about it.

It is a BINNED CPU. It is not the "extreme chip" you were looking for. Unlike Gulftown, which truly was an extreme chip, this is the waste maal of the server/WS line. It is an octa-core with two of the cores disabled, to keep the thermal envelope in check.

Its is like the GTX 480 in many ways.

Maybe future revisions wont be binned, but at its current form I would not touch the 3930k/3960x.

Professionals need high performance reliable chips. The Xeon line provides that; the SB-E line doesn't.
 
vickybat

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Re: PC Buying Guide 2012 - Q1

Skud said:
Professionals (or if you are talking about workstations) would most probably prefer a Xeon over SNB-E. ;)
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I didn't mention professionals only. What about gamers cum professionals? Will a xeon help them? Not a viable option imo.
Did previous gen gulftown home users went for xeons for a system build? You have to get a server motherboard as well. That simply isn't practicality.

Extreme Gamer said:
Then you dont know anything about it.

It is a BINNED CPU. It is not the "extreme chip" you were looking for. Unlike Gulftown, which truly was an extreme chip, this is the waste maal of the server/WS line. It is an octa-core with two of the cores disabled, to keep the thermal envelope in check.

Its is like the GTX 480 in many ways.

Maybe future revisions wont be binned, but at its current form I would not touch the 3930k/3960x.

Professionals need high performance reliable chips. The Xeon line provides that; the SB-E line doesn't.
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Maybe i don't know then can you make me know. It would be good if you provide some trustworthy links to support your claims. If its true then it would be an interesting piece of info for the entire tdf universe. I'm waiting friend.....
 
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Re: PC Buying Guide 2012 - Q1

google is your friend
Sandy Bridge-E hits the market with more cores, more threads
The Sandy Bridge E desktop parts may have six cores and up to 15 MiB cache, but the die itself has eight cores and 20 MiB cache (and with 2.2 billion transistors, is even larger than AMD's 2 billion transistor Bulldozer die). Some of those cores and cache are disabled for the desktop processors. For the server-oriented Xeon processors, they'll all be enabled. The Xeon parts are due to ship with the Xeon E5 branding, and model numbers from 2603 to 2690.
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2 disabled cores in new Sandy Bridge-E :( - mersenneforum.org
It is all about yield. A percentage of parts emerge from the wafer stage with defects. Rather than throw away every faulty die they determine if there are enough working sub-parts to make a usable whole-part but with less core(s)/cache(s). Die that emerge with everything working perfectly are sold as the top line version, other die have the non-functional core(s)/cache(s) disabled and sold as cheaper versions.
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Intel Core i7-3960X Review: Sandy Bridge-E And X79 Express : Say Hello To The PC Hardware Trophy Wife
When Sandy Bridge-E surfaces as Xeon, it’ll offer up to eight processing cores and 20 MB of shared L3 cache. As a desktop CPU, however, it’s limited to as many as six cores and up to 15 MB of shared L3. Intel achieves this by disabling two cores and four of the die’s 16 slices of shared L3 cache.
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vickybat

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Re: PC Buying Guide 2012 - Q1

^^ Jas they are older westmere xeons and not sandybridge.:)

@ Whitestar_999

My point is not getting a full yield or disabling 2 cores doesn't make desktop sandybridge-E bad chips at all. Maybe intel will unveil full yield octacore chips when the need arises.

Does this mean 3930k is not a worthy purchase for the purpose?
 
Extreme Gamer

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Re: PC Buying Guide 2012 - Q1

Look, it does make it a bad chip.

You are getting the tail-end of Xeon chips, and not the central portion of i7 chips. Intel is being unable to keep temperatures in control, so the worst of the lot is being sold as SB-E.

If you look at the wikipedia SB list, you will see a huge number of LGA 2011 chips, of which the majority is 6-core. What does this tell you?
 
vickybat

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@Extreme Gamer

It doesn't tell me anything. I'm saying give us a proof that its a bad chip and has stability issues. Don't claim them yourself or draw conclusions. Show us one link where its written 3930k is a bad chip and should not be purchased due to thermal issues and all that.
 
Extreme Gamer

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Re: PC Buying Guide 2012 - Q1

:facepalm:

Then you havent understood anything.

Sandy Bridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sandy Bridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comprehend.

LGA 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What stability issues are you talking about? I never said it was a non-functional chip :?

Why do you think they disabled two cores? To improve yields and keep temps under control. In the SB-EP (Xeon) production run, these are the chips that fail to even pass Xeon certifications.

Gulftown on the other hand had chips that were truly top of the line.

3930k should have been priced at 20k, the 3820 at 14000 and the 3960X shouldnt exist.

lastly, for the sake of this thread, any further arguments should be done in PMs.
 
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Jaskanwar Singh

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Re: PC Buying Guide 2012 - Q1

whitestar_999 said:
processor|pentium G620|3500
motherboard|intel DH61WW with pci slot|3600
ram|4gb corsair 1333|1200
hard disk|seagate 250gb|3600
dvd rw|sony or lg|900
psu|FSP SAGA II 400W|2000
cabinet|generic/mora|500
ups|intex 600VA|1200
monitor|16" LED SAMSUNG or LG|4100
speaker|CREATIVE SBS A235 2.1|1000
mouse|generic/intex optical usb|150
keyboard|generic ps/2|150
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buddy i planned this -
Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Athlon II x2 245|2650
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P (rev. 3.1)|2700
RAM |G-skill F3-10666CL9S-2GBNK|697
HDD |WDC 250GB Blue WD2500AAKX|3766
DVD Writer |ASUS 24X Sata Black DVD|1150
PSU |FSP Saga II 500W|2200
Case |Generic|500
Monitor |Dell IN1930 (18.5")|5300
Keyboard & Mouse |Amkette ClASSIC DUO|406
UPS |Zebronics 600VA|1275
Speakers |Altec Lansing BXR1221|1000
| Total |21644

Optional upgrades for 20k -
Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Pentium G620|3550
Motherboard |GIGABYTE GA-H61M-D2-B3|3450
Monitor |Dell IN2030M (20")|5850

look, a person doing office work wont notice any difference between G620 and x2 245.
but a larger monitor is better choice imo here as doing casual gaming or multimedia is more enjoyable on bigger screens.

i have mentioned G620 as optional upgrade which will suffice imo.

what do you think of this everyone?

Sub 50k (Mid range gaming)

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Phenom II X4 970 BE|6400
Motherboard |Gigabyte GA-880GM-USB3(rev. 3.1)|4800
RAM |G-skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9S-4GBXL|1665
Graphic Card |Sapphire HD6950 1GB PCIE|14500
HDD |WDC 250GB Blue WD2500AAKX|3766
DVD Writer |ASUS 24X Sata Black DVD|1150
PSU |Corsair GS600|4000
Case |NZXT Source 210 Elite|2300
Monitor |Benq G2222HDL|7600
Keyboard & Mouse |Logitech MK200|700
UPS |APC 800VA|2800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1680
| Total |51361

initially i used core i5 2400/phenom 1090t but they exceeded cost -

Component | Make | Price Processor |Intel Core i5 2400|11150
Motherboard |Intel DH67CL B3|5750
RAM |G-skill F3-10600CL9S-4GBNT(4Gx1)|1193
Graphic Card |HIS IceQ X H687QN1G2M|11100
HDD |WDC 250GB Blue WD2500AAKX|3766
DVD Writer |ASUS 24X Sata Black DVD|1150
PSU |Corsair GS600|4000
Case |NZXT Source 210 Elite|2300
Monitor |Benq G2222HDL|7600
Keyboard & Mouse |Logitech MK200|700
UPS |APC 800VA|2800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1680
| Total |53139

Component | Make | Price Processor |AMD Phenom II x6 1090T|8800
Motherboard |Asus M5A88-V EVO|8050
RAM |G-skill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9S-4GBXL|1665
Graphic Card |HIS IceQ X H687QN1G2M|11100
HDD |WDC 250GB Blue WD2500AAKX|3766
DVD Writer |ASUS 24X Sata Black DVD|1150
PSU |Corsair GS600|4000
Case |NZXT Source 210 Elite|2300
Monitor |Benq G2222HDL|7600
Keyboard & Mouse |Logitech MK200|700
UPS |APC 800VA|2800
Speakers |Logitech Z313|1680
| Total |53561

what say?
 
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